You're certainly piquing my interest. I may need to take another look now that I'm older and see if my mind changes. But from what I remember, I couldn't stand Penguin at all, (even though I thought DeVito was the perfect fit) I think the look and feel of him and his story just bothered me. And I get what you're saying on the 3 sided issue, and who backs who, that is a great dynamic, I just didn't think the 3 fit together. I dunno. It's been a long time, I should sit down and try one more time, see what I think now after seeing the Nolan ones, see if it would fit imo into that world. I always just gave 1 credit because of Jack, and it was the first attempt at serious comic book movie making back then, maybe I overlooked Returns.Originally Posted by RFX45
Originally Posted by CP1708
Originally Posted by RFX45
But seriously, Batman Returns had a better story that tied all 3 main characters together very well.
Batman with Nicholson was great but it was pretty straightforward and simple. Very well acted but Pfeiffer as Catwoman and Devito as Penguin was gold and wasn't campy at all. Walken was good.
Story was much more interesting too. I didn't like Basinger as Vale at all, she didn't act like the tough, outspoken reporter she was supposed to be, at least she didn't portray it well enough.
Come to think of it, I think Keaton might have actually been better as Bruce in the second film too.
With that said, both Burton Batman film were really good, ranked just below TDK and both slightly better than Begins but Batman Returns was just better to me.
Queue the gifs since I know NTers hate it when you go against the grain.
Eh, I dunno, that's tough honestly. I didn't like Penguin at all, and thought Catwoman was almost a waste of time. Keaton very well could have played Bruce/Bat better than 1, and Walken is just Walken, but I couldn't really get with 2 of the 4 main characters.
Certainly better than what 3 and 4 turned out to be, but just below, and slightly better....?That's a BOLD statement man. Are you not a big fan of Nolan's vision of the movies? Cuz to me his 2 movies make the 2 Burton ones look like made for TV movies. And of course the last 2 like Elementary school plays.
Just below doesn't mean TDK is a notch better, it just means I rank it below TDK from the best Batmans films. TDK > Batman Returns > Batman (1989) & Batman Begins (tied).
TDK is definitely far superior but I did like Burtons Returns to Nolans Begins and Retruns definitely felt more like a Burton film than the first too, which makes me like it even more.
Kind of weird we have such different views though since I thought Catwoman was an integral part of the film, it really wouldn't even be the same w/o her. It's that 3-way interaction on who is in whose side that makes it so much better, then Walken acting behind the scenes and how everything ties up was just well written/made.