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How so?Drop come on bruh you know taking some creatine vs taking some clen tren and HGH are 2 polar opposite things.
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How so?Drop come on bruh you know taking some creatine vs taking some clen tren and HGH are 2 polar opposite things.
Im in competition with myself breh. I have rhemotoid arthritis and i need to keep my weight in check. 6'2 270 now but was 320 a yr ago.testosterone is naturally occurring also, but if a person takes test, they're not considered natural anymore. And you'll have to show me where naturally raised chicken have less protein than factory chickens
Isnt weed a naturally occurring plant? I need to see where weed makes you faster, stronger and brolic
And why is it always cheating Who are you in a competition with that would make you a cheat?
So If I take something that's not on the list that's gets me brolic, Im natural ???But given the frame of reference being a bodybuilder and basically just generic questioning....the list IS the basis. And when things get added and taken away it changes what is and isn't natural.
now if you think natural = anyone who never has taken a supplement then thats fine. I have no problem with your personal definition of natural. All i am saying is in general population when asked if you are natural the normal person takes that as "are you on steriods"?
Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??
Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??
Drop come on bruh you know taking some creatine vs taking some clen tren and HGH are 2 polar opposite things.
Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??
now if you think natural = anyone who never has taken a supplement then thats fine. I have no problem with your personal definition of natural. All i am saying is in general population when asked if you are natural the normal person takes that as "are you on steriods"?
Im sayin. If your goal is to be either bigger, faster or stronger. And your taking something that makes you accomplish these things you could not accomplish naturally without these "things", then how are you natural??
So If I take something that's not on the list that's gets me brolic, Im natural ???
Doesn't make sense to me
For the most part YesSo If I take something that's not on the list that's gets me brolic, Im natural ???But given the frame of reference being a bodybuilder and basically just generic questioning....the list IS the basis. And when things get added and taken away it changes what is and isn't natural.
now if you think natural = anyone who never has taken a supplement then thats fine. I have no problem with your personal definition of natural. All i am saying is in general population when asked if you are natural the normal person takes that as "are you on steriods"?
Doesn't make sense to me
Fixed lol.i have nothing against anabolics. i'd love to see PEDs be allowed in all sports. i haven't used any yet but i'll definitely be on TRT someday.
The NO feeling and depending on what Anabolic you take feeling are still 2 different feelings when it comes to going in the gym and feeling that workout sensation (is that a better word to use for you)Anabolics don't get you pumped in the gym? Now depending on what type your taking, it will effect you differently while you exercise, but you will most definitely be pumped all day and night regardless.
For instance, any testosterone wether its cypionate, enanthate, or propionate will have you feeling jacked and pumped 24/7 and increases red blood cell count, thus increasing the pump you feel through out the day. That also happens to be the science behind all the Nitric Oxide supps (to increase red bood cell count), thus giving you the pump. That is scientifically proven. Maybe you need to do your research and quit telling other to research when you obviously do not know what you are talking about.
I think most of you base your opinion on natural by how a person looks or performs.
But then we have exhibit A. who has never touched AAS (I know this for a fact)
And then we have this guy. Who juices on a regular basis (also fact)
I just don't understand how you guys can say if a person is "natural" or not by the way they look. Unless it ******* obvious like Pro BBers.
Theres dudes in the slums of Africa who eat oats and rice on a daily with better physiques that 99% of the people in this thread so I don't get why everyone with a six pack and weighs over XXXlbs depending on their height has to be on steroids. Just because your genetics don't allow you to put on 20lbs of muscle doesn't mean its the same way for everyone else. Genetics is king. Even more important than steroids. Point proven in the pictures above
This is the stupidest thing I've read in all of this.The natural argument is a simple one. If you are using a supplement, steroid or what ever, that is designed to burn fat, build muscle, make you faster, stronger, give more energy in the gym or increase your endurance, then you are not natural.
^^^ thats the stupidest thing you've readThis is the stupidest thing I've read in all of this.
I eat steak so I can build muscle. I sleep so I can recover. I use a barbell and lift it so I can get stronger. Where's the line? What if I dehydrated my steak, blended it up, and put it in pills? Is that now a supplement? What if I take an NSAID so I'm not as sore after lifting? What if I have a car so I can drive to the gym? What if I wear knee sleeves to keep my joints warm?
So you have no actual response. That's what I thought.^^^ thats the stupidest thing you've read
if it's an electric like a leaf or tesla, then still natty. hybrid car like prius is iffy. for sure any car that uses diesel is not natty.What if I have a car so I can drive to the gym?
Well no **** you can gain 20lbs in 2 months....
Not sure how srs some of yall are...
Weight/height is blatant at times. Dude at my gym is 5'6", weighs 260, and is lean to the point where he looks "dry" all the time.
I'm not saying it applies to all cases, but some cases... You can't dispute it.
They dont want to listen drop. Theyll change and miscontrue something to fit their internet debate.^^^ thats the stupidest thing you've read
But not all illegal/banned substances are anabolic though.Couple weeks ago "is body building a sport"
Now "what makes you natural" / "Creatine is conceptually the same as taking anabolics"
But not all illegal/banned substances are anabolic though.Couple weeks ago "is body building a sport"
Now "what makes you natural" / "Creatine is conceptually the same as taking anabolics"
in yall minds, what makes you not a natural?
I can respect answer. Hormones being the key wordHonestly this these types of debates are just circular arguments based largely on opinions w/ no real resolution.
IMO you cease to be natural when you choose to use a substance (whether illegal or not and whether injected or taken orally) to alter your hormones in an effort to raise a genetic ceiling of growth.
IMO taking a creatine use does not fit this bill.
Again, just my opinion and I dont expect you to change your mind.
Just for the record, I'd love to try a cycle of test one day
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I think another good topic of discussion would be: How long does an athlete need to be off PEDs before you deem them "natural" , if ever?
I can respect answer. Hormones being the key wordHonestly this these types of debates are just circular arguments based largely on opinions w/ no real resolution.
IMO you cease to be natural when you choose to use a substance (whether illegal or not and whether injected or taken orally) to alter your hormones in an effort to raise a genetic ceiling of growth.
IMO taking a creatine use does not fit this bill.
Again, just my opinion and I dont expect you to change your mind.
Just for the record, I'd love to try a cycle of test one day
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I think another good topic of discussion would be: How long does an athlete need to be off PEDs before you deem them "natural" , if ever?
If you do a cycle of test, you wont want to come off