Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

[robinvandamn]

ALSO; Rey is ABSOLUTELY a Mary Sue.

and Luke was a Gary Sue

so

 

[IATT]

Only nit picky issue I had was the long stare at the end..

Just a little too long to make it slightly awkward.. Wish it was just Rey's look of longing and possibly finding and luke's look of shock, then credits

 

[robinvandamn]

Is it weird that we don't see force powers used more often in duels? The only times i can really think of them coming into play are Dooku/Yoda & Vader/Luke ESB

Anakin and Ben
Maul vs Ben/Qwi-Gon

i don't remember any force powers being used against each other in either of those fights. Epi III just has a bunch of force jumps iirc

i could be wrong

 

[robinvandamn]

Only nit picky issue I had was the long stare at the end..

Just a little too long to make it slightly awkward.. Wish it was just Rey's look of longing and possibly finding and luke's look of shock, then credits

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they way the held it made me think Luke was gonna force pull the saber

i was so hype

 

[blakep267]

ALSO; Rey is ABSOLUTELY a Mary Sue.

and Luke was a Gary Sue

so

Nah Lukee had flaws and didn't always succeed. He got his *** beat by Vader and also got beat by the emperor, almost died of not for Han and the Taun Taun. Besides him being a good pilot he needed Leia, Obi wan, Han and Vaders help throughout the trilogy. He was overconfident and thought he didn't need Yodas training etc

Rey is a mechanic, pilot, extremely strong with the force, competent light saber duelist, good at Jedi mind tricks with no training, able to use force pull, brave etc. this can all be explained away by saying that she trained as a Jedi before she got mind wiped and put on Jakku but the character is too perfect

 

[osh kosh bosh]

and Luke was a Gary Sue

so

no way, Luke failed all the time in the trilogies, man, I've just watched them, he's constantly saved, by ben, han, leia, R2D2.

He's not a gary sue.



FYI I don't say Mary Sue as a criticisms, we don't see lot off female Gary Sue's them on screen, so it is still fun to watch just like it's still fun to watch Hulk Hogan, both Mary Sue's both fun to watch.

but people losing their **** over Max Landis's cirticms like it is some illogical smear job. Rey is obviously a Mary Sue.

 

[CP1708]

Is it weird that we don't see force powers used more often in duels? The only times i can really think of them coming into play are Dooku/Yoda & Vader/Luke ESB

Anakin and Ben
Maul vs Ben/Qwi-Gon

i don't remember any force powers being used against each other in either of those fights. Epi III just has a bunch of force jumps iirc

i could be wrong

Obi/Ani had the dual Force push where their hands were inches apart tryin to throw each other.

Maul used the force to open/close doors and throw something at Obi Wan. (Small, but similar to Vader in ESB)

 

[clarkkent415]

Do you think that was Luke's hand who touched R2-D2 during Rey's vision? The hand looked different compared to his hand at the end of the film.

For some reason I think it's the person from the concept pics with the mechanical mask.

 

[buschfan04]

i don't remember any force powers being used against each other in either of those fights. Epi III just has a bunch of force jumps iirc

i could be wrong

They tried force push each other but did it at the same time and cancelled each other out. I think that's all

 

[osh kosh bosh]

How is Finn not a good character. He has background, motivations, like ability and he's the Everyman who gets swept up into this situation. He's a mix between Han and Luke with a little bit more comedic flare

Rey isn't a good character. In the sense that she's too perfect and is essentially the chosen one and the character is written lazily. I'm all for having a strong female lead but at least put some effort into making the character interesting. And that doesn't mean making her great at everything without any explanation

I just saw a one dimensional coward/ incompetent liar who was simply a prop to forward rey's emotional arc/provide motivation.


as a guy who went into a theater expecting a black hero main character in star wars this was really disappointing and I think if it wasn't for Jon Boeyga's inherent likability and charisma, he would read a coward/passive character with vague motivations.

*shrugs* just my take.

 

[CP1708]

Finn rushed after Rey at the base much the same way Luke rushed after Leia on the Death Star.

 

[robinvandamn]

and Luke was a Gary Sue

so

no way, Luke failed all the time in the trilogies, man, I've just watched them, he's constantly saved, by ben, han, leia, R2D2.

He's not a gary sue.



FYI I don't say Mary Sue as a criticisms, we don't see lot off female Gary Sue's them on screen, so it is still fun to watch just like it's still fun to watch Hulk Hogan, both Mary Sue's both fun to watch.

but people losing their **** over Max Landis's cirticms like it is some illogical smear job. Rey is obviously a Mary Sue.

My whole thing is yeah, she's kind of portrayed as a perfect 'i can do it all' type character but this is a common thing with the VAST majority of male protagonist too. The only thing I had a problem with was her piloting skills, just seemed to be crammed in there for narrative convience but everything else she does is perfectly logical, given her suggested history/bloodline

I think i posted this in here earlier. got it from another board

Let's use history as a guide shall we.

Luke Skywalker had no knowledge of what the Force was as he lived as a farm boy on Tatooine. Yet mid-way through ANH he deflected laster blasts from a remote on his 3rd try BLIND!
He "used the Force" instead of a targeting computer to place two proton torpedoes into a target less than 2 meters wide.
He could hear Obi-Wan speak to him and him only.

In Empire Strikes Back, an injured Luke (still without training) hanging upside down incased in ice reached for his lightsaber, closed his eyes and was able to Force pull it to himself. There was no prior training on this from anyone. He just did it in ESB. Later Luke called out to his sister Leia after failing to reach Obi-Wan. His instincts told him he could do this.

In ROTJ, Luke Force choked guards without prior training from Yoda. I honestly doubt Yoda would have taught him that move anyway. Seems a bit dark.

REMEMBER, Luke was training with Yoda but not extensively. The principals of the force, how to reject and respect the dark side, discipline, a clear mind. Those were the main things the Jedi practiced during their training. Luke learned an awful lot on his own. Much from instinct.

Spoiler: About Rey

Circling back to Rey, she definitely seems more advanced than Luke at this stage in her life. However, her story is very different. Repressed memories and knowledge of the force seem to be what Rey is dealing with. She could have learned a lot by age 5 or 6. Rey knew about Luke Skywalker's legend. She knew of the force. She used it daily without thinking about it. When she scavenged through Star Destroyers and fought off thugs, she was practicing. She just didn't know it. When Kylo got in her head, I believe he awakened many of her dormant memories and help make Rey more powerful. (reach imo, don't fully agree with it)

Besides, things like Jedi Mind Tricks were probably talked about among the thieves and scavengers on Jakku. I'm sure there were many ex-Imperials that spoke of Luke, Vader and the Emperor. Heck, Rey knew about Darth Vader as well.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

My whole thing is yeah, she's kind of portrayed as a perfect 'i can do it all' type character but this is a common thing with the VAST majority of male protagonist too. The only thing I had a problem with was her piloting skills, just seemed to be crammed in there for narrative convience but everything else she does is perfectly logical, given her suggested history/bloodline

I think i posted this in here earlier. got it from another board

Look yes point is take Luke was able to do incrdible things, but he still failed a lot, like all the time,

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Rey never messes up, every situation she's put into she gets out of with almost no resistance. learning the mind trick, piloting the falcon, being able to fix it as well as han. these could be overlooked if she failed once, she never failed EVER.

and that doens't bother me as much as it would from a white male character, it did bother me slightly. and Max landis critisicm is totally valid.

 

[robinvandamn]

Still sticking with my theory that Rey is

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Luke's child with Obi-Wan's daughter



Which would make her Skywalker, Kenobi AND mandalorian

I'm gonna stick with this like how people stick with Snoke = Plagueis

 

[CP1708]

I can't shake the way she flew the Falcon......just too Jaina for me.

And they misdirected us at every turn, but just gonna give us this layup that she's Luke's?

Ren's cousin doesn't have the same weight as Ren's sister either.


I'm conflicted right now.

 

[blakep267]

My whole thing is yeah, she's kind of portrayed as a perfect 'i can do it all' type character but this is a common thing with the VAST majority of male protagonist too. The only thing I had a problem with was her piloting skills, just seemed to be crammed in there for narrative convience but everything else she does is perfectly logical, given her suggested history/bloodline

I think i posted this in here earlier. got it from another board

Look yes point is take Luke was able to do incrdible things, but he still failed a lot, like all the time,

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Rey never messes up, every situation she's put into she gets out of with almost no resistance. learning the mind trick, piloting the falcon, being able to fix it as well as han. these could be overlooked if she failed once, she never failed EVER.

and that doens't bother me as much as it would from a white male character, it did bother me slightly. and Max landis critisicm is totally valid.

Yea like she even rescued herself from the star killer base. Han and Finn weren't even needed for that.

But to the above point, the millennium falcon flying was just too much. I understand that they needed some way to get into space to find Han so it was a plot device, but I doubt even Luke could fly a freighter on his first try if it came to it in Ep 4

 

[robinvandamn]

My whole thing is yeah, she's kind of portrayed as a perfect 'i can do it all' type character but this is a common thing with the VAST majority of male protagonist too. The only thing I had a problem with was her piloting skills, just seemed to be crammed in there for narrative convience but everything else she does is perfectly logical, given her suggested history/bloodline

I think i posted this in here earlier. got it from another board

Look yes point is take Luke was able to do incrdible things, but he still failed a lot, like all the time,

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

Rey never messes up, every situation she's put into she gets out of with almost no resistance. learning the mind trick, piloting the falcon, being able to fix it as well as han. these could be overlooked if she failed once, she never failed EVER.

and that doens't bother me as much as it would from a white male character, it did bother me slightly. and Max landis critisicm is totally valid.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

she failed twice doing the Jedi mind trick and was on the verge of being punished for doing so

Tried to take on Kylo with a blaster and was captured in the process

i agree 100% with all the pilot stuff though. makes zero sense in context of the story since they didn't explain it

She had failures, albeit nothing too major

She can be a "mary sue" idc but let's not treat this as something new to the franchise. It's a valid criticism, I just don't think it's valid enough to take you out of the film or make the movie any less enjoyable. It's lazy writing for convenience's sake i guess but that's it

 

[noblekane]

Maybe luke is the new virgin mary

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Just speculation 

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She has been trained since she was young ( pure speculation on my part) before being dropped off on Jakku is what I took from it... Maybe her mind was wiped (surpressed by someone else) and as the movie went along, it decided to break through most likely from Kylo Ren's intrusion of Rey's mind earlier in the film...

good thoery but I wouldnever give another movie the benefit of the doubt of letting sequels clean up seemingly bad story telling. I gotta take TFA on it's own untill that happens.

 

[kvsm23vs24]

My theater laughter when Kylo took off his mask. Rightfully so. Dude looked like a lame with his big ol earls and long face

But dude was my favorite character.

 

[Benny Hinn]

Solid flick. Next one better not be a near copy of ESB like this one was to New Hope.

 

[robinvandamn]

Another wild theory

Spoiler: TLDR Verson

Rey's Anakin spirit reborn

She was left on Jakku as punishment for Anakin's crimes

 

[osh kosh bosh]

The more I think about it the more clear it becomes; It think might take days, maybe weaks, maybe even years but I think you will all come to see what I see in Finn.


they told us it was black JEDI, ina film series with no black people and then

SURPRISE.

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homeboy was a janitor, not black jedi a black ******* janitor

a wack one at that, who is such a coward immediately loses his nerve in his first battle. He's wack at every thing, so wack at shooting, Rey needs to flip the meleniam falcon over and line up his gun so he can hit the ******* target.

is completely ready to give up and run away, and totally would have deserted rey, han, chewy if the empire didn't catch up and blow up the cantina.

suddenly has the nerve to go on a suicidal rescue mission, despite his previous cowardice...WHY? because a school boy crush? or some other vague poorly defined ********.


oh did I mention he's a liar, who never tells the truth unless he's forced? and the moment of truth with everything on the line, he lies to the resistance he knows how to shut down weapon putting everyones lives at risk.

and he FAILS at his suicide mission only to be saved by Rey after getting washed by Kylo. and to the final indiginity, he doesn't stays in a coma while Rey jets off to fufil her destiny.

Jon Boyega worked that movie star level charisma to convince you Finn isn't the wack jobber/plot device he was on the page.

 

[...So]

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[kvsm23vs24]

I forgot dude was a janitor