Serious topic: Are you born gay?

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by quiickz

People are not born gay, they either choose to be or if they were gay anyway its the way they were brought up.
If a kid hangs around gay people for most of his childhood, he grows up thinking that being gay is right.

and who determines what is right?

 

[the fame]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

I know for a fact that I never made a conscious decision to like women, so why would it be any different for a homosexual?

Originally Posted by 18key

Originally Posted by THE FAME

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

Originally Posted by THE FAME

All I hear is alot of theories.
But I have yet to hear someone on NT say "yeah I know because I was born gay"
That should speak for itself.

FreshJayz already said she was .

1 out of 50,000.

Wow. You asked for someone to post that they were born gay. FreshJayz said he was. You dismiss it as "1 out of 50,000." 50,000 what? People on NT? Most of us aren't gay. A HIGH number of us aren't. What more do you need? 2 people to say they were? 3 people?

Ok So I guess if one guy says it that speaks for mankind? ****

No, he said he wanted someone on NT to come out and say that they were born a homosexual. Someone did. Actually, two people did, and now you're all saying "Oh thats only ONE person." You sir, need to "****."





Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Originally Posted by Fede DPT

I never understood why ya'll care so much if it is a choice or not. Who the hell cares? Why is it even relevant?

Because generally its the people that ridicule and hate gays and make their lives hard that claim that its clearly a choice... Itd be harder tohate someone for something you know they were born with.

Not to say that doesnt stop racists and all other kinds of bigotry

 

[king njc]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

at the multiple posts.

lol my bad

 

[718stylez]

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...
ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said theywere also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

 

[king njc]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

at the multiple posts.

lol my bad

 

[king njc]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

at the multiple posts.

lol my bad

 

[nbirn2103]

Originally Posted by 718stylez

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said they were also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

You can't be born racist. You learn hate. Your environment governs that.

As far as sexual preference, it's genetic.

The girl he was describing at the beginning of the thread is bi-curious. Not necessarily gay. She's probably pretty young too and probably is not matureenough to deduce such a decision.

An excuse? You make it sound like they need justification to act the way they do. Are you sure you aren't prejudice? Because they wouldn't needjustification if that were the case.

 

[king njc]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

at the multiple posts.

lol my bad

 

[celtixhalfshell]

i dont think ppl r born gay

each human is genetically designed to procreate and carry on its code. its why we're LIVING and not dying at the moment. physiologically speaking.

i think environment/events in early life play a huge role.....but damn if it doesnt seem like some ppl were born just to be gay right?

im takin ppl that LOOK like the opposite sex and are gay. its a brain bender man

 

[the fame]

Originally Posted by nbirn2103

Originally Posted by 718stylez

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said they were also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

You can't be born racist. You learn hate. Your environment governs that.

As far as sexual preference, it's genetic.

The girl he was describing at the beginning of the thread is bi-curious. Not necessarily gay. She's probably pretty young too and probably is not mature enough to deduce such a decision.

An excuse? You make it sound like they need justification to act the way they do. Are you sure you aren't prejudice? Because they wouldn't need justification if that were the case.




Admit it or not in this world gay people are not accepted yet so they have to hid behind the "I was born gay thing"
Its sad but that was my point.

And the same way your looking at being born racist im looking at being born gay.

 

[rockindemjays23]

I'm a lesbian and I've always known since the age of 8-9. I do not choose to like the same sex. My partner and I can not hold hands, kiss or hugwithout being stared at/called a degrading name while in public. I envy the straight couples I see.
It hurts me to know that I will not be able to have a child from my partner. Why would I choose this lifestyle? I ask myself over and over why did I have to bea lesbian?

I firmly believe that the majority of the gay population are born this way. I also believe that some do choose to be gay because its the cool thing to do! Ican only speak for myself. I was born a lesbian.

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

Originally Posted by nbirn2103

Originally Posted by 718stylez

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said they were also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

You can't be born racist. You learn hate. Your environment governs that.

As far as sexual preference, it's genetic.

The girl he was describing at the beginning of the thread is bi-curious. Not necessarily gay. She's probably pretty young too and probably is not mature enough to deduce such a decision.

An excuse? You make it sound like they need justification to act the way they do. Are you sure you aren't prejudice? Because they wouldn't need justification if that were the case.

Admit it or not in this world gay people are not accepted yet so they have to hid behind the "I was born gay thing"
Its sad but that was my point.

And the same way your looking at being born racist im looking at being born gay.

Racism is taught doggie. Explain how someone is taught to be attracted to members of the same sex.

 

[the fame]

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by THE FAME

Originally Posted by nbirn2103

Originally Posted by 718stylez

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said they were also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

You can't be born racist. You learn hate. Your environment governs that.

As far as sexual preference, it's genetic.

The girl he was describing at the beginning of the thread is bi-curious. Not necessarily gay. She's probably pretty young too and probably is not mature enough to deduce such a decision.

An excuse? You make it sound like they need justification to act the way they do. Are you sure you aren't prejudice? Because they wouldn't need justification if that were the case.

Admit it or not in this world gay people are not accepted yet so they have to hid behind the "I was born gay thing"
Its sad but that was my point.

And the same way your looking at being born racist im looking at being born gay.

Racism is taught doggie. Explain how someone is taught to be attracted to members of the same sex.

ok doggie. Ever heard of someone getting turned out?

 

[fro b giant]

I think some people are confusing homosexuality (the attraction to the same sex) with the act of having sex with a person of the same sex.

Off the top, I don't think anyone can answer the thread starters question with scientific fact because if that was the case there would be no debate. Ithink that it's plausible that people can be born with the desire/attraction to the same sex.

Now the act of having sex with someone the same sex as you is a choice. You can choose to do that or not. Some people subscribe to the "if it feels rightdo it" way of life, doing whatever they think feels good (whether you are homosexual or heterosexual). There are yet others that live by a different code,for instance religious people who don't always do what feels good because it goes against their conscience.

For instance if you follow the bible the best you can, you believe that you should NOT have sex before marriage. Having sex before marriage is a choice peoplemake. I think we all have the desire to have sex before marriage, but does that mean we all just do it because it feels good? Not really, some that believe inwaiting till after marriage wait for different reasons, one of which is they value their relationship with God more than lustful desires.

So the same goes for someone who is homosexual, they have a choice to "act" on their feelings. If they are not governed by their religious beliefs,they will probably act on them. If they happen to be religious they might decide that their desire for sex with the same sex is not as important to them aswhat God commands, therefore proving to God they do love him and do what he asks of them. Even if it is at a cost to them.

The religious person recognizes the ultimate cost, God gave up his only son Jesus in death so that we might have a chance for everlasting life. That was theultimate price paid, so to some, what a petty thing it would be to give up a fleshly desire for everlasting life.

 

[polothadon]

i dont think your born gay. i work in the school district and i have noticed that the boys who act feminine are indeed a mommas boy. you cant blame just thedad it has to be both because if the dad isnt around then the mothers responsibility is to find a relative or a partner who can guide the kid to be normal. ihad a dad but was raised by my moms. i never get mad cause my moms didnt marry a other man than my dead beat dad. i was a mommas boy when i was young.i knowsince i was young like around 6 that i liked girls my mom breifly married a ex bf and when we went camping i asked my step sister if she wanted to have sexwith me. but i was introduced to porn at a young age and from then on i knew i liked the female body id get boners at young age just watching naked females. myface is feminine my ways is not and my body is not. in the past ive dated females but i had a phobia because i was a virgin and i never wanted to dissappointthe girl. people think im gay jus by seeing my face. the way i am is nothing to be called gay because i love girls and the ones ive been with lately can vouchthat. im no sayin i chose to not be gay but just because my face looks a a certain way it doesnt define who i am. ive had gay people circle around me and tryto be friends but they get it that im not attracted to men. and most women think im joking when i say i likem and when i do get something going and then ieventually smash her the right way. she tells other girls and most of them are left in shock. since my dad wasnt around i looked up to musicians because thatsall i had to guide me to be a man. although these role models were not really positive they molded me into who i am today. im a big pac fan and it amazed methat he said the same when i seen resurrection. and he said he looked up to musicians to guide him. i was the only child so it was harder for me to look up tosomeone. i live with my dad now and i dont hate him but when he tells me why do you go out with alot of girls and sleep with them, i just tell him you didntraise me so dont question me.

 

[banks2pierce]

I think most of the gay people around are born that way. I look at a family that I know: 2 boys, first one came out and loved sports, real aggressive, intotrucks. His younger brother quits football after one practice, was into vibrant sunglasses at a very young age, and showed a ton of emotion for a male. Theywere born under the same roof with the same parents, who did not change their ways at all. We could tell then what road it was going down. Explain that one forme.

I also think that some people can be influenced by culture and those people might try a few things out. It's not appealing to me, but whatever makes peoplehappy.

We are all just human beings either way. For some people saying rude stuff in here, you need to evaluate your life and how you make other humans feel. Thissame Bible that you are leaning on preaches brotherly respect and understanding. They are casting stones before they judge themselves.

And the guy who got owned with the big red font was hilarious.

 

[chi ill]

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by quiickz

People are not born gay, they either choose to be or if they were gay anyway its the way they were brought up.
If a kid hangs around gay people for most of his childhood, he grows up thinking that being gay is right.

and who determines what is right?

This .

+1

 

[jordanpp30]

I dont think so

but one guy I've known since elementary school has been a fruit cake all his life.

Also, one of my little cousins friends, Will, has been a little fruit cake too. I've watched them grow up since they were 5, now 11.

So I dont know.

 

[moonmaster3]

Originally Posted by PoloThadon

i dont think your born gay. i work in the school district and i have noticed that the boys who act feminine are indeed a mommas boy. you cant blame just the dad it has to be both because if the dad isnt around then the mothers responsibility is to find a relative or a partner who can guide the kid to be normal. i had a dad but was raised by my moms. i never get mad cause my moms didnt marry a other man than my dead beat dad. i was a mommas boy when i was young.i know since i was young like around 6 that i liked girls my mom breifly married a ex bf and when we went camping i asked my step sister if she wanted to have sex with me. but i was introduced to porn at a young age and from then on i knew i liked the female body id get boners at young age just watching naked females. my face is feminine my ways is not and my body is not. in the past ive dated females but i had a phobia because i was a virgin and i never wanted to dissappoint the girl. people think im gay jus by seeing my face. the way i am is nothing to be called gay because i love girls and the ones ive been with lately can vouch that. im no sayin i chose to not be gay but just because my face looks a a certain way it doesnt define who i am. ive had gay people circle around me and try to be friends but they get it that im not attracted to men. and most women think im joking when i say i likem and when i do get something going and then i eventually smash her the right way. she tells other girls and most of them are left in shock. since my dad wasnt around i looked up to musicians because thats all i had to guide me to be a man. although these role models were not really positive they molded me into who i am today. im a big pac fan and it amazed me that he said the same when i seen resurrection. and he said he looked up to musicians to guide him. i was the only child so it was harder for me to look up to someone. i live with my dad now and i dont hate him but when he tells me why do you go out with alot of girls and sleep with them, i just tell him you didnt raise me so dont question me.

Thanks for your life story.

 

[p2vandal]

i dont know if people are born gay.
but i believe its NOT a choice.
like someone said it could be the affect of trauma or molestation at a young age.
and just because a child grows up around gay people or so does not mean anything.
if a gay couple adopts a baby and they raise the baby does that mean that baby will automatically be gay? NO
not all feminen guys are gay and not all tuff looking guys are straight..

 

[freshjayz]

Originally Posted by THE FAME

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by THE FAME

Originally Posted by nbirn2103

Originally Posted by 718stylez

Ok since its that simple.

I was born racist.

So now we there is a possiblity of someone being born racist cause I 1 person, just vouched for it.

Get my point?

I in no way hate gays. Everyone should be able to do what they want.
But they shouldnt have to make a grand excuse to be able to do so...

ur missing a key point of distinction. the vast majority of gay people believe that they were born gay. if the vast majority of racists said they were also born racist then you'd have a more compelling argument.

You can't be born racist. You learn hate. Your environment governs that.

As far as sexual preference, it's genetic.

The girl he was describing at the beginning of the thread is bi-curious. Not necessarily gay. She's probably pretty young too and probably is not mature enough to deduce such a decision.

An excuse? You make it sound like they need justification to act the way they do. Are you sure you aren't prejudice? Because they wouldn't need justification if that were the case.

Admit it or not in this world gay people are not accepted yet so they have to hid behind the "I was born gay thing"
Its sad but that was my point.

And the same way your looking at being born racist im looking at being born gay.

Racism is taught doggie. Explain how someone is taught to be attracted to members of the same sex.

ok doggie. Ever heard of someone getting turned out?
I have.
And I liked girl way before ever being "turned out"

 

[superantigen]

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by quiickz

People are not born gay, they either choose to be or if they were gay anyway its the way they were brought up.
If a kid hangs around gay people for most of his childhood, he grows up thinking that being gay is right.

and who determines what is right?

This .

+1

fixed.

Who determines what is right? NATURE determines what is right. The biological drive to produce "copies" (and I use that term loosely) of ones'self determines what is right.

How about we make this thread more interesting and thought provoking. I pose this question--somewhat of an inflection of OP's OG question:

WHY ARE YOU NOT BORN GAY...?

If being "gay" is such a "natural" biological phenomena, why were YOU not born gay. Furthermore, why is heterosexuality, and nothomosexuality, the more prevalent mode of reproduction (amongst higher animals).

Answer that...

...

 

[daytona 5000]

Originally Posted by SuperAntigen

Originally Posted by Chi ILL

Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000

Originally Posted by quiickz

People are not born gay, they either choose to be or if they were gay anyway its the way they were brought up.
If a kid hangs around gay people for most of his childhood, he grows up thinking that being gay is right.

and who determines what is right?

This .

+1

fixed.

Who determines what is right? NATURE determines what is right. The biological drive to produce "copies" (and I use that term loosely) of ones' self determines what is right.

How about we make this thread more interesting and thought provoking. I pose this question--somewhat of an inflection of OP's OG question:

WHY ARE YOU NOT BORN GAY...?

If being "gay" is such a "natural" biological phenomena, why were YOU not born gay. Furthermore, why is heterosexuality, and not homosexuality, the more prevalent mode of reproduction (amongst higher animals).

Answer that...

...

Wait I wasn't aware that there was another form of reproduction outside of a heterosexual coupling.

And nature determines what is right? No YOU determine what you perceive to be "right" based off your beliefs.

 

[theraygunz]

This is the same as the thread about being an alcoholic. Many people in this thread are clearly very ignorant. I don't want to beat a dead horse but WHYWOULD ANYONE SIMPLY CHOOSE TO LIKE THE SAME SEX??? Many of these responses are borderline idiotic.