QB THREAD - 2x quarterbacky award winner: Lamar Jackson

[a55a5in11]

Appreciate the love guys

 

[dmxfury]

A very memorable feeling being told that news. I still remember it like yesterday

Dazed look on my face the whole day at work

 

[jpzx]

Local radio station had about 4-5 people in studio, all unanimous on Kurt Warner not being first ballot. Hm.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 

I feel so alone.

Why are they better than me?

While we here, a55, hear you havin a little girl man. Congrats. She's gonna change your life b. Ask Fraij. Hope she and momma are safe and healthy when the time comes man.

Appreciate it boss. My life went 100-0 real quick when my girl told me she was pregnant

Congrats man. 

 

[Deleted member 37754]

[COLOR=#red]I was 18 and at CC. Right before I walked into class I got the call...

Unreal feeling. [/COLOR]

 

[CP1708]

A very memorable feeling being told that news. I still remember it like yesterday

Dazed look on my face the whole day at work

I was working with my wife's oldest brother at the time. He and I had gone to a bar for lunch when she called me. I'm literally looking at the oldest brother, beer in hand, as she's telling me......

Lucky for me, he was all for it.


But man, when we went in for the appt, and the doctor said "you're havin a little girl....." Not even joking, you change instantly. Everything's different.

 

[CP1708]

Local radio station had about 4-5 people in studio, all unanimous on Kurt Warner not being first ballot. Hm.

Random people, or former players/coaches etc?

 

[jpzx]

Non-athletes and a former NFL player.

 

[HEATHEN]

Appreciate the love guys

congrats,


got two of my own.


life is about to change for you bro, big change.

 

[Lovetohate3000]

congrats.....

single parent  of 3 year old twin girls......

life aint never been the same..... 

 

[mister friendly]

Local radio station had about 4-5 people in studio, all unanimous on Kurt Warner not being first ballot. Hm.

View media item 1362348

 

[jpzx]

They're wrong, though

 

[CP1708]

Amazing study on QB's in playoffs. One of the key things I found, average starting field position per drive.

Where the average LOS is for each drive by QB.

Russ 33.91 (34 yard line)
Neil O'Donnell 33.33
Brett Favre 33.22
Jim Kelly 33.18
Troy Aikman 33.12


Dead last?
Andrew Luck 24.03

Peytom Manning, 27.10

Colts related, obviously. :x

So the young guy on the great defensive team (Wilson) has the best field position, while the one-man show (Luck) has the worst. These things write themselves sometimes. Seriously, are the Colts going to do the same thing with Luck that they did with Manning all those years? No quarterbacks studied have a lower percentage of drives starting in opponent territory than Manning and Luck. At least we can cite the 2011 kickoff rule change for some of Luck's low average, but that does nothing to explain Wilson ranking at the top. That defense really helps, as does recovering an onside kick at midfield.

There seems to be a thick line drawn between where people stand with Luck's playoff turnovers. Either you think they are a huge problem, or you brush them off. I lean towards the latter, because eight of his 12 interceptions have come when trailing by at least 14 points. His first playoff interception was in Baltimore, down 15 points late, and that was a tipped ball on fourth down. He threw another when trailing by nine points in New England, yet that bounced off of Stanley Havili's shoulder. In New England a year ago, he threw one poor pick with the game tied, which led to an early deficit. Luck has two interceptions while leading by 7 to 11 points, which both came on third-and-long in Denver this year, basically serving as punts. On Sunday in New England, he was not intercepted until he trailed by 24 points in the third quarter. He also was picked when trailing by 38 in the fourth quarter, and he had an interception in the final minute of last year's loss when trailing by 21 points. So in my view, most of Luck's interceptions either have not been his fault or just didn't have any impact on the game.

Incredibly, Luck has already thrown five playoff interceptions when trailing by at least 21 points, the most in the NFL since at least 1998 (and possibly since 1984). Two of those five even came in that comeback win against Kansas City. Of the 33 quarterbacks studied here, only John Elway (five) and Dan Marino (seven) had at least as many interceptions as Luck while down 21-plus points. Given the small sample size of the postseason, Luck may already rank in the top three in this category after just six playoff games. Who else could be up there? So until we start seeing Luck make more big mistakes when the game is competitive, I do not see this as a concern going forward.

Mandatory mention: Dan Marino trailed by at least three scores on 23.4 percent of his postseason drives. Suddenly, 8-10 with some less-than-stellar stats makes more sense. Luck is not far behind at 20.3 percent.

Dan Marino had 48 drives start down by 3 scores. Next closest? Brett Favre, with 23. Favre had those 23 in 274 drives.

Marino had 205. Again, Dan Marino was trailing by THREE scores, on 48 of his 205 playoff drives. "Pro Bowlers"

Joe Montana trailed by 3 scores or more on 7 drives, out of 248

As always, kneel down drives are excluded, and any kneel down is removed from the drive stats.

Because of the poor field position, the "longest TD drives" basically are reverse order, in a sense.

Andrew Luck 72.6 yards
Peyton Manning 72.2
Tony Rom 71.4
Jeff Garcia 71.4


Luck has a 70 yard TD drive on 11 of his 69 playoff drives. Of his 14 playoff TD drives, 11 being from 70+ yards.

 

[dland24]

Will fall on deaf ears CP. Great effort, but it will be ignored much like every other stat that doesn't make Russell look like a god.

It doesn't matter that in Russell's career that the Seahawks gave up an average of 12.4 points per game in his wins and 24+ points per game in his losses. Russell is a winner!

 

[dmxfury]

Blitzburgh D helping Neil out


Good stuff

 

[CP1708]

Will fall on deaf ears CP. Great effort, but it will be ignored much like every other stat that doesn't make Russell look like a god.

It doesn't matter that in Russell's career that the Seahawks gave up an average of 12.4 points per game in his wins and 24+ points per game in his losses. Russell is a winner!

I know, it's not a big deal. As you can see in here tho, I just like QB stuff. Hell, if we had a RB thread, I'd be in there too, or a WR thread, etc. I just posted some stuff I found by a guy I follow that has a TON of information. His spreadsheets make mine look like a mere signature at the end of an email. I mean, ****, who the hell counts total drives, eliminates the taking of a knee, or end of half kneel downs, and then figures out, Turnover, Punt, TD, FG, Safety, Downs, etc? **** is CRAZY.

So I was just postin some of the stuff that we all have gabbed about in here. I know everyone is pretty much set who they do and don't like, not a big deal.

 

[elpablo21]

I wonder where Brady's averages looked like during the super bowl runs

 

[CP1708]

I wonder where Brady's averages looked like during the super bowl runs

I bet that guy has that data. I'll ask him, see if he gives me anything.

 

[a55a5in11]

I take it as trolling when people say RW > Luck and etc.

Except nobody has said that in over a year

 

[CP1708]

They might start again in a week or so tho.

 

[a55a5in11]

They might start again in a week or so tho.

We don't know what the future holds my friend

 

[mister friendly]

Colts related, obviously. :x

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Td.

Mandatory mention: Dan Marino trailed by at least three scores on 23.4 percent of his postseason drives. Suddenly, 8-10 with some less-than-stellar stats makes more sense. Luck is not far behind at 20.3 percent.

Dan Marino had 48 drives start down by 3 scores. Next closest? Brett Favre, with 23. Favre had those 23 in 274 drives.

Marino had 205. Again, Dan Marino was trailing by THREE scores, on 48 of his 205 playoff drives. "Pro Bowlers"

Joe Montana trailed by 3 scores or more on 7 drives, out of 248

As always, kneel down drives are excluded, and any kneel down is removed from the drive stats.

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Marino

So am I supposed to feel sorry for Marino because roughly 25 percent of his drives, he was down by 3 scores?

Did the NFL play "make it, take it" back then or something?

The other team scores...... isn't it on the GOAT suppose to lead his offense to score touchdowns or FG?

 

[statis22]

Would be nice to step on the field and not have to dig the team out of a hole because the defense can't get stops right?

 

[dmxfury]

The obsession with Marino is beginning to remind me of Ray Finkle status

 

[al3xis]

This isn't my kinda topic - and I think Kurt Warner is a HOF'er, but I've never understood the insistence on here to make sure he's a 1st Ballot guy.

Anyone ever look at his numbers outdoors? He was an arena league QB literally and figuratively.

22-34 record
73 TD's
67 INT's
64%

And the first 3 seasons when he set the world on fire he was in a division with: Atlanta (dome), New Orleans (dome). Never played a post-season game outdoors those first 3 years. So only 16 of a total 53 games were played outside.

Guys like Brees and Manning who have the rep for being indoors/perfect conditions type of throwers have not experienced that kind of disparity.

It's probably irrelevant when in 20 years every stadium will have a roof on it and nobody will play in bad conditions anymore but *shrug*