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[braj mahal]

 
I just dont get this whole im a christian, but i dont actually follow and adhere to the bible and its teachings, in fact in some respects do the exact opposite of what i profess to be...but its justified because i show up somewhere on sunday, or i state im not perfect.

In no other aspect would this be accepted or seen credible. Would we not question iuno a vegan who profess to be one, but yet in still has a fridge full of ribs, with a hamburger in one hand and a drumstick in the other. Could they say oh i know i eat meat etc... but hey im not perfect...so because im not perfect so im still a vegan

Would we not question a drug addict/alcoholic who claims sobriety, yet hangs out in bars/corners... and you see them with a 40 oz in one hand, and a shooter in the other... if they said ok yea im shooting up and drunk...but hey im not perfect, and i attend na/aa meetings so therefore im am living sober living...

Why does religion, in particular christianity gets a pass? Why is it you can claim and profess to practice and be apart of something without actually practicing it, and performing, and adhering to the very thing you claim that you do? And why do you get a pass just off the premise of "im not perfect" or a tithe, i go to church.

Like i said if a addict goes to na/aa meetings swears he will never drink/snort again, should we give him a pass and say he is sober living despite the fact he still still does drugs/drinks? 

Great post.  I think we can look at western society as a whole for some of these answers.  Western society is still dominated and ran on Christian beliefs and values.  The majority of the people here in America are either Christian/Catholic.

So with this, there comes a stigma of being an atheist in our society.  Atheists don't believe in God, so they can't possibly  good people, right? They're looked at as uncivilized people who have no values, morals or ethics.  So rather than question religion, its easier for people to just claim one out of fear of being labeled as such, and in this case the religion many chose mainly happens to be Christianity.  There's other reasons to as to why people claim Christianity, that don't actually practice it or even truly believe in it, but this is probably the biggest reason.

 

[crcballer55]

Can we move this to the "do you have any stereotypes that are not racial" thread?

 

[mr marcus]

Mrs S J Queen deserves to get spit in the face

 

[blastercombo]

But it's not though; that's as simple minded an approach to looking at its message as you are blaming hucksters like Creflo Dolllar for doing. They pick up on one theme and ride it out till they fill their coffers. 

Confidence men say that the easiest people to con are greedy people. When you look at people who allow themselves to fall prey to the creflo dollar types they are materialistic as hell; and you don't have to be rich to be materialistic, some of the brokest people are the most materialistic...and thats who the creflos really speak too, dudes who want something for nothng. And the dumb part is that they see their pastor in bentley and private jet so they bellieve the system works.

It has very little to do with the source material,and more to do with human greed.

Ok, I don't even know what you're talking about. Look at the bible and jot down the main people and their economic status. Doesn't take a genius to figure out they were poor. Was Jesus not the son of a carpenter? Did Moses not choose to leave his riches for God? Who were gods chosen people during the time? What was the devil constantly tempting gods people with? Wealth and riches? "What good is it to have the world if you don't have your soul"?

There's a pattern here. The bible didn't cater to the rich. In fact it said that money was worthless (unless you fork it over to the church of course) if you didn't have God by your side.

 

[deleted]

mr marcus were it not for Christianity you would still be picking cotton and sleeping in huts on the plantation.

:x

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

But it's not though; that's as simple minded an approach to looking at its message as you are blaming hucksters like Creflo Dolllar for doing. They pick up on one theme and ride it out till they fill their coffers. 

Confidence men say that the easiest people to con are greedy people. When you look at people who allow themselves to fall prey to the creflo dollar types they are materialistic as hell; and you don't have to be rich to be materialistic, some of the brokest people are the most materialistic...and thats who the creflos really speak too, dudes who want something for nothng. And the dumb part is that they see their pastor in bentley and private jet so they bellieve the system works.

It has very little to do with the source material,and more to do with human greed.

Ok, I don't even know what you're talking about. Look at the bible and jot down the main people and their economic status. Doesn't take a genius to figure out they were poor. Was Jesus not the son of a carpenter? Did Moses not choose to leave his riches for God? Who were gods chosen people during the time? What was the devil constantly tempting gods people with? Wealth and riches? "What good is it to have the world if you don't have your soul"?

There's a pattern here. The bible didn't cater to the rich. In fact it said that money was worthless (unless you fork it over to the church of course) if you didn't have God by your side.

You're mostly wrong, although you have some points that wring of what the bible speaks on.

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

 
I just dont get this whole im a christian, but i dont actually follow and adhere to the bible and its teachings, in fact in some respects do the exact opposite of what i profess to be...but its justified because i show up somewhere on sunday, or i state im not perfect.

In no other aspect would this be accepted or seen credible. Would we not question iuno a vegan who profess to be one, but yet in still has a fridge full of ribs, with a hamburger in one hand and a drumstick in the other. Could they say oh i know i eat meat etc... but hey im not perfect...so because im not perfect so im still a vegan

Would we not question a drug addict/alcoholic who claims sobriety, yet hangs out in bars/corners... and you see them with a 40 oz in one hand, and a shooter in the other... if they said ok yea im shooting up and drunk...but hey im not perfect, and i attend na/aa meetings so therefore im am living sober living...

Why does religion, in particular christianity gets a pass? Why is it you can claim and profess to practice and be apart of something without actually practicing it, and performing, and adhering to the very thing you claim that you do? And why do you get a pass just off the premise of "im not perfect" or a tithe, i go to church.

Like i said if a addict goes to na/aa meetings swears he will never drink/snort again, should we give him a pass and say he is sober living despite the fact he still still does drugs/drinks? 

Great post.  I think we can look at western society as a whole for some of these answers.  Western society is still dominated and ran on Christian beliefs and values.  The majority of the people here in America are either Christian/Catholic.

So with this, there comes a stigma of being an atheist in our society.  Atheists don't believe in God, so they can't possibly  good people, right? They're looked at as uncivilized people who have no values, morals or ethics.  So rather than question religion, its easier for people to just claim one out of fear of being labeled as such, and in this case the religion many chose mainly happens to be Christianity.   There's other reasons to as to why people claim Christianity, that don't actually practice it or even truly believe in it, but this is probably the biggest reason.

I'd beg to differ. Modern day, its people are looked to as uncivilized if they do believe in something.

Today people mostly claim christianity, or islam or whatever else for reasons of heritage and culture...not because they personally think that atheists are evil.

 

[blastercombo]

You're mostly wrong, although you have some points that wring of what the bible speaks on.

PROVE ME WRONG.

Greed?? Greed is all OVER the bible. Who's salvation are you accountable for? Who do YOU have to save? Lable things all you want but the point of serving God is so that YOU can live forever. You give to God so YOU don't get punished. YOU seek forgiveness from sin so YOU get blessing. You fear punishment so you serve.

Sharing and caring and fu fu blah blah blah, is done for YOUR benefit. Christianity is an oxymoron within itself.

Look at this situation. People are giving this fraud money for what? To help the already rich dude? NO, for blessings. Who does that benifit (within their belife system)? THEM

Again, prove me wrong.

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

You're mostly wrong, although you have some points that wring of what the bible speaks on.

PROVE ME WRONG.

Greed?? Greed is all OVER the bible. Who's salvation are you accountable for? Who do YOU have to save? Lable things all you want but the point of serving God is so that YOU can live forever. You give to God so YOU don't get punished. YOU seek forgiveness from sin so YOU get blessing. You fear punishment so you serve.

Sharing and caring and fu fu blah blah blah, is done for YOUR benefit. Christianity is an oxymoron within itself.

Look at this situation. People are giving this fraud money for what? To help the already rich dude? NO, for blessings. Who does that benifit (within their belife system)? THEM

Again, prove me wrong.

I mean what you're saying is generally applicable to any facet of human civlization, and you're baically reiterating what I already said.

I said that you're mostly wrong in your analysis of the dynamics of who the audience in the bible was. Your oversimplification of those dynamics is similiar to the simplifications and generalizations that guys like Creflo make.

 

[mr marcus]

mr marcus were it not for Christianity you would still be picking cotton and sleeping in huts on the plantation.

:x

Word

 

[blastercombo]

I mean what you're saying is generally applicable to any facet of human civlization, and you're baically reiterating what I already said.

I said that you're mostly wrong in your analysis of the dynamics of who the audience in the bible was. Your oversimplification of those dynamics is similiar to the simplifications and generalizations that guys like Creflo make.

Prove me wrong. So far you've given up empty words

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

Thing I'm tripping on is how people follow a religion that was forced upon their ancestors by those that enslaved them?

Hell the more I thought about it, the fact that my ancestors were animists or perhaps buddhists.

Until they were conquered and Islam was forced upon them.

Likewise I can't understand how so many people never question Christianity when it too was forced upon them.

I feel the same way,it's crazy that a lot of them have become some of the most ardent supporters/believers now.

 

 

@Mr Marcus were it not for Christianity you would still be picking cotton and sleeping in huts on the plantation.

Word

I hope you guys see why I addresed the first statement the way i initially did.

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

But it's not though; that's as simple minded an approach to looking at its message as you are blaming hucksters like Creflo Dolllar for doing. They pick up on one theme and ride it out till they fill their coffers. 

Confidence men say that the easiest people to con are greedy people. When you look at people who allow themselves to fall prey to the creflo dollar types they are materialistic as hell; and you don't have to be rich to be materialistic, some of the brokest people are the most materialistic...and thats who the creflos really speak too, dudes who want something for nothng. And the dumb part is that they see their pastor in bentley and private jet so they bellieve the system works.

It has very little to do with the source material,and more to do with human greed.

Ok, I don't even know what you're talking about. Look at the bible and jot down the main people and their economic status. Doesn't take a genius to figure out they were poor. Was Jesus not the son of a carpenter? Did Moses not choose to leave his riches for God? Who were gods chosen people during the time? What was the devil constantly tempting gods people with? Wealth and riches? "What good is it to have the world if you don't have your soul"?

There's a pattern here. The bible didn't cater to the rich. In fact it said that money was worthless (unless you fork it over to the church of course) if you didn't have God by your side.

Well the bible contains over 66 books. And as I said you're over simplifying the issue.

Jesus was a carpenter, ...ok and....Abraham was the richest man in ur, job was filthy rich, lydia was rich, luke was a doctor, conelious was a high ranking roman general, zacchaeus was a rich tax collector, matthew was a tax collector, joseph was second to pharoah, daniel was a high ranking political figure, etc etc

Like I said you are oversimplifyng a more complex discussion and trying to boil down the bibles audience as poor. When they're are a littany of prominent figures in jewish and christian life who apparently where very well off. So there you are proven wrong.

 

[blastercombo]

Well the bible contains over 66 books. And as I said you're over simplifying the issue.

Jesus was a carpenter, ...ok and....Abraham was the richest man in ur, job was filthy rich, lydia was rich, luke was a doctor, conelious was a high ranking roman general, zacchaeus was a rich tax collector, matthew was a tax collector, joseph was second to pharoah, daniel was a high ranking political figure, etc etc


Like I said you are oversimplifyng a more complex discussion and trying to boil down the bibles audience as poor. When they're are a littany of prominent figures in jewish and christian life who apparently where very well off. So there you are proven wrong.

Now what happened to those people? You've listed names and left out their story. Most of them had everything taken away, became poor or sick, then Had to come back to God to gain it back Or walk away from their past life to follow God.

Matthew 6:24 ESV / 91 helpful votes

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

James 5:1-6 ESV / 69 helpful votes

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. ...

Luke 18:25 ESV / 62 helpful votes

For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

Luke 12:33 ESV / 41 helpful votes

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

Mark 12:41-44 ESV / 39 helpful votes

And he sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums. And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny. And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.”

1 Timothy 6:17 ESV / 37 helpful votes

As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy.

1 Timothy 6:10 ESV / 35 helpful votes

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

Hebrews 13:5 ESV / 28 helpful votes

Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Revelation 3:17 ESV / 26 helpful votes

For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.

1 Timothy 6:9 ESV / 24 helpful votes

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.

James 1:11 ESV / 19 helpful votes

For the sun rises with its scorching heat and withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.

Acts 20:35 ESV / 19 helpful votes

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Matthew 6:19-21 ESV / 19 helpful votes

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 6:24 ESV / 17 helpful votes

“But woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation.

2 Corinthians 9:7 ESV / 16 helpful votes

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

James 5:1 ESV / 15 helpful votes

Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you.

1 Timothy 6:18 ESV / 15 helpful votes

They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share,

Luke 6:20 ESV / 15 helpful votes

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 6:6-10 ESV / 14 helpful votes

Now there is great gain in godliness with contentment, for we brought nothing into the world, and we cannot take anything out of the world. But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

James 2:5 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him?

Proverbs 19:17 ESV / 13 helpful votes

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.

1 Peter 1:18-19 ESV / 12 helpful votes

Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

Proverbs 30:8 ESV / 12 helpful votes

Remove far from me falsehood and lying; give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with the food that is needful for me,

Luke 6:20-21 ESV / 11 helpful votes

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

Ezekiel 7:19 ESV / 11 helpful votes

They cast their silver into the streets, and their gold is like an unclean thing. Their silver and gold are not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord. They cannot satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs with it. For it was the stumbling block of their iniquity.

Proverbs 23:4-5 ESV / 11 helpful votes

Do not toil to acquire wealth; be discerning enough to desist. When your eyes light on it, it is gone, for suddenly it sprouts wings, flying like an eagle toward heaven.

1 Samuel 2:7 ESV / 11 helpful votes

The Lord makes poor and makes rich; he brings low and he exalts.

Leviticus 19:9-10 ESV / 11 helpful votes

“When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

2 Corinthians 8:13-15 ESV / 10 helpful votes

For I do not mean that others should be eased and you burdened, but that as a matter of fairness your abundance at the present time should supply their need, so that their abundance may supply your need, that there may be fairness. As it is written, “Whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack.”

2 Corinthians 8:9 ESV / 10 helpful votes

For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.

Acts 2:44-45 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.





There's much more. Proved me wrong.......

 

[rolaholic]

mr marcus were it not for Christianity you would still be picking cotton and sleeping in huts on the plantation.

:x

Word

 

[blastercombo]

MR S J King said one of the dumbest things I've EVER read EVER. Not just on NT

 

[Sumrndmdude!]

 

Well the bible contains over 66 books. And as I said you're over simplifying the issue.

Jesus was a carpenter, ...ok and....Abraham was the richest man in ur, job was filthy rich, lydia was rich, luke was a doctor, conelious was a high ranking roman general, zacchaeus was a rich tax collector, matthew was a tax collector, joseph was second to pharoah, daniel was a high ranking political figure, etc etc


Like I said you are oversimplifyng a more complex discussion and trying to boil down the bibles audience as poor. When they're are a littany of prominent figures in jewish and christian life who apparently where very well off. So there you are proven wrong.

Now what happened to those people? You've listed names and left out their story. Most of them had everything taken away, became poor or sick, the. Had to come back to God to gain it back OReslked away from their past life to follow God.






There's much more. Proved me wrong.......

Don't worry about it there was more to the story. But I think listing the examples proves that you're wrong. 

Wherein you make another wrong statement (as highlighted). But like I said its a more complex discussion than you make it seem to be.

 

[doublemesh96]

Mr S J King huh.....
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[quise2024]

I wish there was someone on NT that went to his church so we could get a perspective from someone that isn't against religion, isn't an atheist, etc.

I'm curious what his congregation thinks. I should ask my aunt.

i went for a few years before i moved out of GA. My mom was an avid member, cant remember who got her going there but yeah i went while i was in HS.

To be honest it wasnt like sermons were about making money God will bless you with thousands etc. From what I can recall there was a lot about forgiveness, walking by faith, and accepting/allowing faith to enter your life (believing in it). It wasnt a new message every week, like these segments lasted for a month or 2.

Spoiler: if you carr to read more

On another note the only part I could never grasp was the whole tithe 10% part. I mean I knew the concept from the Bible but I always wanted to know what the money went to. And Im almost certain there were times he said it went towards things church related (not planes or luxury type).

I didnt like getting there all early but back then really aint have much of a choice my mom wanted to sing and listen to the choir. I usually just sat in the chair and went back to sleep.

Around the end before I moved they started this first fruits thing (think thats what they called it) but pretty much it was like people who got a raise at work or something would take that increase and make an offering. So my understanding if someone was getting paid 15/hr and they started getting 17/hr, then theyd take that difference between the old check and new check and put it in the offering in the front of the church.

so there'd be a time at the beginning before the sermon and he'd say something and all these people would start screaming and waving their offering envelopes in the air. Then make their way to the front and drop it off. That part really got me.

I guess its all in what you believe

But I must say, there were some fine fine women that also went there. From HS girls (when i was in HS) to grown women

We used to go with a cousin that was my moms age and he was always on the prowl checking em out, i was over there being slick with my looks. He was that old playa type (sum like that )

 

[blastercombo]

Don't worry about it there was more to the story. But I think listing the examples proves that you're wrong. 

Wherein you make another wrong statement (as highlighted). But like I said its a more complex discussion than you make it seem to be.

Listing examples of people proved me wrong? How about the entire nations of oppressed and poor people talked about in the bible? Pretty sure that outnumbers your list. No need to go into detail about the evils of greed which stems from the wanting of material posessions talked about over and over in the bible, or how they bible consistently speaks about how the wealthy here on earth actually have a harder time going to heaven or how all their belongings ultimately burn in the lake of fire......

 

[fontaine]

I'd beg to differ. Modern day, its people are looked to as uncivilized if they do believe in something.

Today people mostly claim christianity, or islam or whatever else for reasons of heritage and culture...not because they personally think that atheists are evil.

Now you just trolling, bruh

 

[HEATHEN]

Dude been trolling ever since he stepped foot into this thread.

 

[quise2024]

You'd whether attack the dude that is all around the world putting smiles on faces and helping the impoverished.  Look it up for yourself if your that interested.  I'm not going to be on here making something up if I wasn't on Old Nat, CPK, and at the strip clubs seeing for myself with my own eyes.  I even here his wife be on the track at night trying to minister to girls as well as the strip clubs.

If you need job training you can go to World Changers and get it, you need some food, some clothes, a place to stay, I even heard they've given a couple people cars.  These folks doing more then the government and billion dollar companies for this country, and I wouldn't doubt they're doing the same thing oversees as well.  

This is true

 

[mr s j king]

dutchroyalt so if Christianity was used by the oppressor to deceive them into thinking slavery was right in God's eyes, why are we blaming Christianity and not the oppressor? Do we blame the gun or the person that pulled the trigger?

Christianity didn't deny black people their rights as a U.S. citizen. Nor did it castrate us or hang us from trees.

 

[dutchroyalt]

@DutchRoyalT so if Christianity was used by the oppressor to deceive them into thinking slavery was right in God's eyes, why are we blaming Christianity and not the oppressor? Do we blame the gun or the person that pulled the trigger?

Christianity didn't deny black people their rights as a U.S. citizen. Nor did it castrate us or hang us from trees.

black folks shouldnt.... But the irony of it all is just how black ppl in all cost avoid and confront address the oppressor, many blacks use the church to avoid, self reflect, and confront the ills and the oppressions that they cause, be it direct or indirect in their personal lives.