* Offiical NBA Off-Season Thread: I'll give one of my damn kidney's for these Melo rumors to stop *

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Dada boy explain more how after 3 max players they could still have 11-15 million in cap space

I always thought it would only be a few millions
No you are right. In a 3 max scenario with Miami, there would be pretty much be nothing left. You'd have to fill out the roster with minimum salaries...

But in a 2 max scenario, there's additional flexiblity.
 
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I think Miami is going to end up screwing themselves after FA is over.

Anything short of "the big 2" (Wade/Lebron) is going to be a massive failure.

If they dont get both of those guys, that roster has a chance of looking awful next year.

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 Bruh , you don't know what your talking about.
  

BRUH, youre telling me that a team of Wade, another max guy and a bunch of MLE scrubs can contend in the east?

really BRUH?

I know the east isnt loaded, but that squad cant beat Boston or Orlando BRUH.
  

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Like I said, you dont know what your're talking about. You have no clue what type of deals can be orchestrated over the next few days. You also probably have no clue about how the Salary cap and CBA works either.

Let me educate you a little bit.

You do realize that Miami -- even after signing two maxes(one of them being a re-signed Wade), OUT-RIGHT have around an addition 11 million in cap flexiblity to fill out the roster? You do realize that say if Chris Bosh agrees to terms with Miami(which is looking like a likely scenario), it'll likley be thru a sign and trade. And that if Miami includes a Michael Beasley in that sign and trade with the Toronto Raptors, then that would Miami would have around 15 MILLION  to work with even after signing Wade and Bosh to max deals.
  
So yea. Miami is in a pretty damn good situation. Striking out is possible, but not likely. Especially considering Wade has openly campaigned for Miami.
15 million for 9 players. 
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   Good luck finding anyone worth a damn.

Like I said, anything short of Lebron and Wade is a failure.

If your roster is Wade, Bosh, and (Joe Johnson, any other max/near max player) and 9 scrubs youre not contending for a title.


It makes NO sense to invest almost all of your salaries in 3 guys when one of them isnt Lebron.

  


Wade and scrubs won 47 games in the Eastern Conferene, yet Wade + A star 20/10 power forward in Chris and a collection of solid role players won't be contending.

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Whatever you buddy. I'll take those chances. That Dwyane Wade guy is pretty damn good.

15 million could nab you a Brendan Haywood(8 million starting salary), and a re-signed Udonis Haslem(5 million) to be that thrid big off the bench. And possibly a cheap role player option at point guard like a Steve Blake(2 million). Raja Bell has already openty stated he would like to sign with the Miami Heat next year. He'd come at the veteran minimum.

There will be no problems filling out the roster on Miami's behalf, but you can continue with those grasping for straws arguments, if you'd like.

  
Yeah well ALL those scrubs are gone and would be replaced with worse scrubs.

Wade+Bosh+scrubs wont contend for a title next year.

Even after all those guys signed youre still need to add guys to the roster.

Grasping for straws? 
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  Im saying that Miami is putting alllllllll their eggs into one basket and if that situation doesnt happen, theyre SCREWED.

Chicago still has pieces. New Jersey still has pieces. LAC has pieces.  The Knicks have some decent pieces too.  Miami has NOTHING but hope.
 
I'm so ready for all this to just be over with... It's gotten so old already.
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So quickly, too.

LeBron, Wade and Bosh can retire for all I care.

Carmelo to the Hornets with Chris to compete with those three clowns?
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Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

I'm so ready for all this to just be over with... It's gotten so old already.
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Yup, I just want to know who's going where.
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Donnie Nelson to be with Dirk in Germany.
Mark Cuban to be with Joe Johnson in LA
Rick Carlisle to be with Brendan Haywood in DC.

All at the beginning of tonight.
 
Originally Posted by TheGift23

LeBatard sounds convinced all 3 are going to Miami.

all journalist sound convinced as hell they're predictions will come true because they wanna be that guy that broke the news first.
 
[h1]Q&A: Where will top free agents land?[/h1]
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NBA free agency tips off tonight at 12:01 a.m. ET. How will it all go down? We asked our experts for their best guesses on where the top 10 free agents will land this summer.

[h3]Where will LeBron James sign? [/h3]
Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: Chicago Bulls. Though if playing with Wade and Bosh trumps all, he'll end up in Miami. More likely than 50-50? No.

J.A Adande: Chicago Bulls. They have max-salary space and they're playoff-capable even without him. But with so many other team vying for his interest it's not an even money bet. More likely than 50-50? No.

Kevin Arnovitz, TrueHoop: Chicago Bulls. They are the only team in the field that features youthful assets (Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah) and the cap space required to sign an additional max contract to play alongside James. More likely than 50/50? No.

Larry !!++, special to ESPN.com: Chicago Bulls. Big city, a team that's clearly his to lead, and a nucleus that can be competitive right away all add up to the biggest free-agency defection since Shaq in 1996 -- but nobody really knows the mind of LeBron. More likely than 50/50? No.

Chad Ford, ESPN.com: Chicago Bulls. They offer the best combination of a huge market and a chance to win now with a young supporting cast. More likely than 50/50? No.

John Hollinger, ESPN.com: Chicago Bulls. I see Chicago and Cleveland as slight favorites, but Miami, New York and New Jersey are very much in the game. More likely than 50-50? No, not even close.

Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com: New York Knicks. He has done some of his best flirting at Madison Square Garden. (I was a witness.) More likely than 50-50? No.

[h3]Where will Dwyane Wade sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Miami Heat. The only way he's not there is if something crazy happens to unite all the top three free agents somewhere else like Chicago or New Jersey. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Adande: Miami Heat. With the chance to stay home and make the most money, all that's left is for him to lure two stars to join him. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Arnovitz: Miami Heat. Miami is Wade's basketball home, and Pat Riley has the capacity to lure one of the premier power forwards on the market. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

!!++: Miami Heat. By default you have to assume free agents stay where they are, and Miami is swinging for the fences, giving Wade every reason to stay. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Ford: Miami Heat. Wade loves Miami and believes in Pat Riley. If the Heat can bring in another top-tier free agent, Wade should be a lock to stay. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Hollinger: Miami Heat. No reason to leave that I can see. More likely than 50-50? Yes, more like 90/10.

Sheridan: Miami Heat. He likes the lifestyle there, he has been unofficially recruiting for them, and he's been in on this "three-max" plan all along. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

[h3]Where will Chris Bosh sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Chicago Bulls. The real answer to this question is "wherever LeBron goes." More likely than 50-50? No.

Adande: Chicago Bulls. If he can get paid and play with LeBron it would be ideal, but this is his chance to make huge dollars, so it's not odds-on that he winds up alongside another star. More likely than 50-50? No.

Arnovitz: Chicago Bulls. They can offer Bosh the max, his natural position alongside a defensive-minded center, and the opportunity to play with a perimeter superstar. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

!!++: New York Knicks. Bosh is the hardest call of the bunch -- the Raptors are open to a sign-and-trade, which puts the entire league in play. More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: Miami Heat. Bosh has so many options, but I think it's likely he pairs with either Wade or Bron. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: Not even sure who to make the favorite; I'll say Chicago. More likely than 50-50? Nowhere close to 50-50, obviously.

Sheridan: New York. He wants to go where LeBron is going, so my answer here has to match my LBJ answer above. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will Joe Johnson sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Los Angeles Clippers. The also-ran of teams with max cap space meets the also-ran of max free agents. More likely than 50-50? No.

Adande: New York Knicks. Because it's less likely than 50-50 that they get LeBron ... and Johnson has long been considered the Knicks' Plan B. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Arnovitz: Dallas Mavericks. They are intent on improving and could situate Johnson on the wing with an aggressive sign-and-trade offer. More likely than 50-50? No.

!!++: New York Knicks. If the Knicks strike out on LeBron, a frontcourt-backcourt tandem that includes Quiet Joe makes sense for New York -- but does New York make sense for Joe? More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: Chicago Bulls. They have been high on Johnson all year, and they have a big need at the 2. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: New York Knicks. I think he lands there unless the Knicks get a LeBron-Bosh duo. More likely than 50-50? Probably so.

Sheridan: Chicago Bulls. Aside from LeBron, he is the best option for what they need. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will Dirk Nowitzki sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Dallas Mavericks. If he's angling to sign somewhere else, he has been very quiet about it. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Adande: Dallas Mavericks. He re-signs and spends the remainder of his career in Dallas; you haven't heard of any other teams planning to fly to Germany to get him to sign on the dotted line. More likely than 50-50? Yes, high likely.

Arnovitz: Dallas Mavericks. No superstar has a more unwavering relationship with his franchise than Nowitzki has with the Mavericks. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

!!++: Dallas Mavericks. Dirk has no intention of going anywhere and is opting out in order to lock in more years under the current CBA. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Ford: Dallas Mavericks. Mark Cuban lost Steve Nash a few years ago in a very similar situation. He won't let it happen again. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Hollinger: Dallas Mavericks. He'd never leave Steiny Mo. More likely than 50-50? Yes, a lot more.

Sheridan: Dallas Mavericks. With a no-trade clause in his contract, because he can get one of those (just like Kobe) now that he is opting out. More likely than 50-50? Yes.
[h3]Where will Paul Pierce sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Boston Celtics. It's hard to leave a team that has just had three years of very deep playoff runs. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Adande: Boston Celtics. He finishes as a Celtic, even though the thought of him heading home to Los Angeles as a Clipper is intriguing. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Arnovitz: Boston Celtics. Although Pierce's decision to opt out of the final year of his contract presents the Celtics with a chance to get younger, the Celtics will find a way to keep Pierce in green for a few more years. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

!!++: Boston Celtics. Pierce will check out the free-agent market but will return for another run with KG, Rondo and (he hopes) Ray. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Ford: New Jersey Nets. If the Nets strike out with LeBron, Wade and Bosh, they're going to throw a lot of money Pierce's way, and I don't think Boston can or wants to match. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: Boston Celtics. Can't see him leaving and can't see the C's letting him walk. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Sheridan: Los Angeles Clippers. It'll come down to money here, and Donald Sterling will be willing to open his wallet wider than Wyc Grousbeck will. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will Amare Stoudemire sign?[/h3]
Abbott: Phoenix Suns. There's bad blood, but he's not going to find a team that better suits his skills. More likely than 50-50? No.

Adande: Phoenix Suns. I'm told he wants either Phoenix or Miami, so if the Knicks and Nets are taken out of the equation that makes it practically a coin toss, weighted toward which team's cash is heavier. More likely than 50-50? Exactly 50-50.

Arnovitz: Miami Heat. If the troika can't come to terms on a Miami scenario, the Heat could tap Stoudemire as Wade's low-post counterpart. More likely than 50-50? No.

!!++: Miami Heat. He's been talking extension with the Suns this week, but ultimately his heart lies elsewhere -- teaming up with D-Wade makes a lot of sense for everybody. More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: Nets. Pierce and Amare may not be LeBron and Bosh, but they immediately make the Nets relevant and dangerous. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: New Jersey Nets. Phoenix, Miami would be co-favorites in this race. More likely than 50-50? No, way less.

Sheridan: Miami Heat. It'll be him and Wade as the cornerstones, with the rest of the cap money split on second- and third-tier free agents. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will Carlos Boozer sign?[/h3]
Abbott: New Jersey Nets. The Nets have tons of cap space and need production alongside Brook Lopez, and Boozer fits the bill. More likely than 50-50? No.

Adande: New York Knicks. He'd prefer Miami, but Heat might look elsewhere, leaving him to search for other options. More likely than 50-50? No.

Arnovitz: New Jersey Nets. As the third free-agent power forward in line behind Bosh and Stoudemire, Boozer will have to wait for the music to stop to see where he lands. New Jersey might be the team with the open seat. More likely than 50-50? No.

!!++: New Jersey Nets. When Stoudemire and Bosh are off the market, Boozer will land with the remaining team dangling max cap room. More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: New York Knicks. The Knicks have to sign somebody … right? More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: Miami Heat. He's had eyes for the Heat for a long time, and the only thing that could thwart him is if Miami hits the LeBron-Bosh jackpot. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Sheridan: Chicago Bulls. If I am right about Joe Johnson going here, too, Booz can be convinced that a starting five of Rose, JJ, Deng, Boozer and Noah could come out of the East. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will David Lee sign? [/h3]
Abbott: New York Knicks. New York can't lose the closest thing they've had to "the face of the franchise" walk in the same summer they strike out on James. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Adande: New Jersey Nets. The Nets could use another forward after sending Yi Jianlian to Washington, and in this case they wouldn't even have to pay moving costs. More likely than 50-50? Yes.

Arnovitz: Phoenix Suns. Like Boozer, Lee sits behind the glitzier power forwards in the free-agent pecking order. Could he be a low-cost alternative to a departing Stoudemire in Phoenix? More likely than 50-50? No.

!!++: Toronto Raptors. Knicks may work out a sign-and-trade to bring Bosh to New York and give the Raptors Lee to help make up for the loss. More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: Utah Jazz. If Boozer goes to New York, I can see the Jazz getting Lee back as part of a sign-and-trade. Jerry Sloan would love him. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: New York Knicks. It all depends on whom Knicks can get instead. More likely than 50-50? No.

Sheridan: New Jersey. Derrick Favors is going to be a nice player, but he is not ready to get the Nets to the playoffs next season, as Prokhorov has promised. More likely than 50-50? No.
[h3]Where will Rudy Gay sign? [/h3]
Abbott: Los Angeles Clippers. The Clippers are enamored with their starting lineup, but small forward is the issue. More likely than 50-50? No.

Adande: Minnesota Timberwolves. A team that's been all point guards and big men recently could use a good wing player. More likely than 50-50? No.

Arnovitz: New Jersey Nets. They have some room on the wing, while the Grizzlies drafted a swingman in Xavier Henry. More likely than 50-50? No.

!!++: Los Angeles Clippers. Striking out on LeBron, and with Aminu in the fold, the Clippers will settle for the cheaper option at the 3. More likely than 50-50? No.

Ford: New York Knicks. If the Knicks can't land a star, they try the next best thing and sign a young guy who could be a star someday. More likely than 50-50? No.

Hollinger: Los Angeles Clippers. I think they'll be left holding the bag in late July and will splurge on the last guy left. More likely than 50-50? No, way less.

Sheridan: New Jersey. The Nets are probably the only big cap-space team that can afford to wait a week and see if the Grizzlies will match, and if Memphis does, New Jersey will still emerge in a strong position as the team with the most remaining cap room. More likely than 50-50? No.
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Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason


I'm so ready for all this to just be over with... It's gotten so old already.
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What'daya have to give up to get Melo? 

Melo and CP3 would be nice for Jordan brand, but I dunno if that defeats the big 3 in Miami if that all goes down. 
 
Actually JA, I read Dirk texted Donnie he's coming back to Dallas, and the scheduled meeting will be at Dirk's house
 
Actually JA, I read Dirk texted Donnie he's coming back to Dallas, and the scheduled meeting will be at Dirk's house
 
So basically because ATL is offering JJ the max, he's probably staying it's being reported.
 
Elin money >>>>>>>>>> Big 3 money. 
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I suddenly feel the need to sit down......
 
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Actually JA, I read Dirk texted Donnie he's coming back to Dallas, and the scheduled meeting will be at Dirk's house
That's correct. Holger and Dirk will instead come to Dallas, Donnie got the phone call as he was at the ticket booth at the airport to leave.

If he had left...

EPIC FAIL.
 
Ex-Knick Cuttino Mobley says he has clean bill of health, hopes to return to NBA as a bench player

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Feeling that the rewards and his love of the game outweigh the risks, Cuttino Mobley  has decided to resume his basketball career, 19 months after he retired due to a potentially fatal heart condition.

"I can't stop living my life," Mobley told The Daily News over the telephone Tuesday. "I want to play. I'm ready."

Mobley's career abruptly ended in November of 2008 after he was acquired by the Knicks in a trade with the Los Angeles Clippers. Mobley, 34, was aware of his condition when he entered the league in 1998 as a second-round pick of the Houston Rockets, but the Knicks did not feel comfortable giving him clearance to play.

When Mobley played for the Rockets, Magic,  Kings and Clippers, those clubs had him sign a waiver acknowledging that he had hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and waiving their liability. But when Mobley joined the Knicks, their medical staff had him visit several specialists, and even Mobley admitted that "my condition has gotten worse." He never played a game with the Knicks.

But Tuesday, Mobley insisted that doctors had given him clearance to play and believes his health is not a concern.

"The doctors always made me aware of the risks, but I wanted to play," Mobley said after working out in Los Angeles. "I'm not angry at the Knicks. They were looking out for me and protecting their own interests. I like Donnie Walsh as a man and as a general manager. I wanted to play in Mike D'Antoni's system. It just didn't work out. There are no hard feelings."

The Knicks waived Mobley two months ago, making him a free agent. And since Mobley never filed retirement papers with the league, he is free to sign with any club. The Knicks, however, cannot use Mobley in a sign-and-trade.

The 6-4 shooting guard, who has averaged 16 points per game over 11 seasons, claims he is in top shape and believes he can be a valuable asset as an experienced scorer off the bench.

"The days of me playing 40 minutes a night are over," he joked. "But I can play 20 to 25 minutes and I know I can help somebody. I've been playing a lot of basketball. I feel great."
Cuttino about to cash in.

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Broussard really really does NOT want LeBron to go to NY or MIA. Does the CHI mafia have his kids or something?

I think he's also had a different leader to land LeBron every hour. I lost track
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Look, get me Bosh or Stat & I'm happy as hell. LeBron would be a bonus
 
Word is the Ray Allen was the player LeBron asked if he would like to join the "Dream Team"
 
When Mikhail Prokhorov assumed control of the Nets just a few months ago, he claimed that he wanted to make the Nets the biggest team in the world. Implicit in that statement was that he also wanted them to be the biggest team in the New York area, a title currently held by the traditional favorites, the New York Knicks.



However, with the Knicks mired in a string of losing seasons and looking unlikely to make a significant splash during the free agent period, Prokhorov smells blood. So he’s reacting by putting up a giant mural for the Nets right near the Mecca of basketball. From the New York Post:



Upstart New Jersey Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov has penetrated New York’s shabby defense with a towering 225-foot mural touting his team just yards from where the Knicks hold court.

Prokhorov teams up with hip-hop mogul Jay-Z on a mural proclaiming “The blueprint for greatness.
 
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