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whats wrong with what Wojo said? he put every story that as been out for weeks and put it into one and made sense of everything
* Offiical NBA Off-Season Thread: I'll give one of my damn kidney's for these Melo rumors to stop *
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- Jul 7, 2001
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Um. The only thing that shocked me in that article was the olympic stuff. Everything else is stuff I've been saying in most of my posts since the "decision". Maybe now yall can respect my mind and realize that I actually do know what I'm talking about
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The WADE band-aid...
- Mar 13, 2004
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Wow @ that story Nas posted....just, wow
Lebron needs a PROFESSIONAL marketing team around him, and NOT Maverick Carter. He would have been better off letting WWW handle his business.
Lebron needs a PROFESSIONAL marketing team around him, and NOT Maverick Carter. He would have been better off letting WWW handle his business.
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He got his own altar.
- Nov 22, 2006
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What the heck is that ?Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I
He got his own altar.
- Apr 9, 2004
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Realistically there was no way for that story to come out prior to LeBron's decision, because that is when the facts started to leak out.Originally Posted by CP1708
Agreed Allen on Wojo goin at Bron a lil too much, but we all knew there was stuff goin on out there, OC just blocked all the negative stuff from hittin NT's airwaves.
Like I said, I wish this would have come out before the announcement so it would look just a little less bitter.
Nonetheless, interesting read and if anyone could ever confirm some of the stuff, that would help validate this one.
It doesn't come across as bitter, it just lacks actual quotes from sources on the record. Other than that, it is a great article.
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Originally Posted by KenJi714
What the heck is that ?Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I
He got his own altar.Praying location for his guesses ?
- Nov 20, 2007
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Wow @ that article and I even finish all of it.
@ Wade sticking up for LeBron and defending LeBron clearly giving up. Dude should be looking forward instead of sounding like a fool.
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Damn, this was like the only thread were I could go to were the anti-Heat/anti-Heat players wasn't around . Now it's in here too?
Like I told CP, I should be enjoying this but I'm not because the poison/hate is just too much. I love this forum but I think I'm might be done
Like I told CP, I should be enjoying this but I'm not because the poison/hate is just too much. I love this forum but I think I'm might be done
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- May 31, 2006
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Hopefully at some point we can discuss them like any other team, but any huge loss will be magnified and any extended period of success will be disregarded due to "the unfairness of the super team"
If we could fast forward to opening night I would, because then we might just accept it and get on with discussing and enjoying the game. Unfortunately for some, this has altered their view and opinions of the sport. At some point we'll just need one main "Miami Heat/Lebron hate thread" and everyone just post and complain and continue their arguments in there... because I already know that any thread with LBJ or the Heat will result in another repetitive argument about the same thing. Just like Kobe vs. Lebron vs Jordan, Kobe and Shaq debates, etc.
If we could fast forward to opening night I would, because then we might just accept it and get on with discussing and enjoying the game. Unfortunately for some, this has altered their view and opinions of the sport. At some point we'll just need one main "Miami Heat/Lebron hate thread" and everyone just post and complain and continue their arguments in there... because I already know that any thread with LBJ or the Heat will result in another repetitive argument about the same thing. Just like Kobe vs. Lebron vs Jordan, Kobe and Shaq debates, etc.
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Keep your head up fam, who cares about 'hate'? You're favorite team is going to be one of the most exciting sports teams to watch for years to come. Just sit back, enjoy the games and let everyone else worry about the hate.
Thats what i do when the season starts, millions of people hate on the Lakers and Kobe, but i dont let it phase me, its just a game after all...why stress when we can enjoy? Especially when we be winning them chips'.
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You guys must have no noticed it before, this dude may not have been cocky but he's really conceited. He's always talking about how he's so good looking etc.
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Sounding like LeBron not wanting to be the "guy" and not being able to take the pressure.
You suppose to thrive off the hate and love the haters.
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Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
Originally Posted by KenJi714
What the heck is that ?Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I
He got his own altar.Praying location for his guesses ?
Ken getting his Mike on.
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You sound so lame.
- Jan 8, 2005
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Ohio gets way more hate, we're still here. You gonna run like Lebron did?
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It's a shame you're so emotional to let haters get to you and affect your day to day instead of loving the fact that ppl take the time out their day to do it.Originally Posted by Durden7
You sound so lame.
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People would take you more serious if you weren't bashing people pre-Lebron decision. You were defending him to no end.
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Here is info from guys on bobcats forums that have "sources" inside the organization. Take it for what it's worth as NT will more than likely blow it off. I'm posting it cause it's a good read and good info
From bobcatsplanet.com
Spoiler [+]
I first heard about possible trades on Friday of last week (the 9th) when a friend of mine who works in the Charlotte Bobcats organization had mentioned off the cuff that the team were trying to acquire Chris Paul, but the New Orleans Hornets would not entertain any trade offers for him. At that time he told me there was 'no way he goes anywhere'. At the time I thought nothing of this... I was sure that overtures must be made all the time to try and at least see if a deal could be struck, and given Paul sat with Jordan during the Bobcats' series in Charlotte I thought it was probably a given they would at least inquire. At this time he told be that the organization were definitely looking for another PG to start, or push Augustin in camp, and not a rookie.
When the original news broke about the Diaw for Calderon trade it was my assumption that this was just the natural progression after being denied by New Orleans. I liked Calderon and spent much of the day (Monday) talking up Calderon and being excited for the prospect of his abilities in Charlotte. While we were talking back at forth at RoF someone asked if this could be part of a blockbuster trade (when we thought part of Bosh's trade exception must be coming to Charlotte), I responded then by saying 'I think we've gotten addicted to the idea of a blockbuster trade... maybe we're going to be cheap now'. Still, it made me wonder so I called my source in Charlotte when I got off work to see if he had heard anything. He had... at that time he told me that the Bobcats pushed again to acquire Paul, but it would have taken almost everything the Bobcats had, plus taking on enough of New Orleans' bad contracts that they could not have matched a front loaded offer sheet for Tyrus Thomas if one was offered.
At the same time though he did tell me that 'something major was in the works' and he couldn't give me more details. At that time, I believed it was going to be a plan to send some of Toronto's trade exception, and Nazr Mohammad and picks to Minnesota for Al Jefferson... but my source told me 'it's not Jefferson'.
A little after midnight word got out that Jordan was about to pull the plug on the Calderon deal... I had no idea what was happening, but that same night my source was called into work around that same time.
In the morning he called me as he was heading into the office. He told me some 'crazy stuff was going on'. He also told me the Charlotte Observer would have false information, and he didn't believe that any national outlet would have any information. At this time, as far as he was concerned the Calderon deal was still alive.
At this point I must interject in this long winded story to explain something that I found out after the fact relating to Tuesday. Something to do with the Bower firing in New Orleans opened the possibility to trade for Chris Paul for the first time. The Bobcats got word of this in the evening Monday, Vegas time and it was their belief Paul was going to be shopped. They saw their major stumbling block in getting Paul to be Dallas, who they knew had already made numerous overtures to New Orleans like the Bobcats had. Dallas, convinced Paul wasn't going anywhere was offered Chandler and Ajinca for Dampier, Carroll and Najera- the very contracts they were trying to move to Minnesota for Al Jefferson. The Bobcats knew what Dallas wanted gone, and made an offer and closed it as soon as possible.
Even now I'm not sure why we had to have Erick Dampier... I can speculate that maybe New Orleans wanted to cut money outright, but they did not want Tyson Chandler. Convinced that Dallas would find out about Bower's eventual firing Charlotte got the deal closed and in the book Tuesday.
We were left wondering what was planned. Tuesday night I got an email from another friend of mine in New York. He was not related to the Bobcats' organization, but his company did a lot of dealings with the NBA and typically facilitated in large scale trades. It was here that I first heard about what was referred to as 'the deal'.
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I can't tell you the psyche behind the trade itself, but I have my opinions on why this may have happened. My understanding is though that Charlotte for the first time had pieces New Orleans may be interested in to acquire Chris Paul, provided we would also take Emeka Okafor's contract back. It was outlined to me like this:
Trade 1: Erick Dampier to New Orleans for Chris Paul http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=2739ale*
Trade 2: DJ Augustin, Gerald Henderson, Nazr Mohammad, unprotected 1st round pick, 2nd round pick for Emeka Okafor http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=2eyj3tu*
I was told that this started in motion a long standing dream that Michael Jordan had to unite several of his 'Team Jordan' athletes under his team. Even though the Bobcats would be deep in the luxury tax, it was the organization's belief that the extra ticket sales, sponsorship opportunities and marketing would ultimately outweigh the money lost to luxury. He told me it would be 'damn near impossible' to pull off the trade, but when I pressed him he told me he gave it about a '30% chance of happening'.
Following this, he told me about another trade.
I was told that if, and only if Chris Paul was already on board negotiations would begin on another trade between the Charlotte Bobcats and the Denver Nuggets. Provided Paul has been traded, Carmelo Anthony would tell the organization that he would not be accepting their contract offer to play beyond the 2010-11 season. At this time the Bobcats would propose the following trade to Denver:
- Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw, right to switch 1st round picks in a future draft, 2nd round pick for Carmelo Anthony. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=23fttaa*
I asked him why Denver would do this, and all he could tell me was 'they just saw what happened to Cleveland and Toronto... it's a sweetheart deal if you ask me'. This made sense to me... lose Melo to free agency, or get an All-Star, versatile big man and draft flexibility for essentially no reason. I believe Charlotte was offering this for two reasons:
1) MJ and Larry Brown have a long standing relationship and respect for George Karl
2) They couldn't carry that much salary into the season.
I asked him what he thought the chances of this one were. He told me '85% if they have Paul, 0% if they don't'. It was his belief that if Paul wasn't traded Anthony would wait a while longer and sign a 2 year extension so his contract finished as Paul's did. He also told me that Denver had been trying to trade for Paul also, but with no luck... they didn't have pieces New Orleans wanted.
From here, information started to trail off. My Bobcats source told me that numerous rumors were flying around and that while the Paul and Melo deal was something of water cooler banter in the organization he hadn't heard anything specific. He could tell me though that numerous backup plans were flooding in to the office regarding teams who wanted Dampier's 'dust contract' and these would be examined if the 'big trade' didn't go through. He told me at this time that what he did know was that if the 'big trade' didn't happen by the end of Friday, there was almost no chance it would occur at all. He did tell me, however, that a fake rumor detailing interest in Ramon Sessions would leak during the day, and that if we signed a free agent PG it was a good sign.
Wednesday: Bower was fired (peaked my interest), they voided Luther Head's contract (I believed to make room for Henderson) and we signed Livingston (I believed because we knew we were losing DJ).
When these three things happened I was literally giddy... I was sure the deal was going through and when Ourdaywillcome said his people said it was on I thought it was a slam dunk.
Then nothing happened
I need to add that behind the scenes this entire time Ourday and myself were comparing notes. Everything we got kept being remarkably similar, enough that I was sure we were on to something.
I still don't know what happened on Wednesday to delay the deal. My guy in Charlotte had no clue, and my source in NY was preoccupied with other issues... and here we sit at 3 a.m. On Saturday morning and I'm still not 100% sure why everything came grinding to a halt.
So, that's what I know. I'm as disappointed as the rest of you that this didn't go through. Now, we have to wait and see what 'backup trades' could materialize. I asked my source in Charlotte yesterday, and he told me that it would take everyone getting back from Vegas and then evaluating what happened and what they had on the table. He told me it could take up to weeks.
If you have any questions, fire away. The only thing I ask if that you don't pose a question that would result in me giving away any information on my sources.
When the original news broke about the Diaw for Calderon trade it was my assumption that this was just the natural progression after being denied by New Orleans. I liked Calderon and spent much of the day (Monday) talking up Calderon and being excited for the prospect of his abilities in Charlotte. While we were talking back at forth at RoF someone asked if this could be part of a blockbuster trade (when we thought part of Bosh's trade exception must be coming to Charlotte), I responded then by saying 'I think we've gotten addicted to the idea of a blockbuster trade... maybe we're going to be cheap now'. Still, it made me wonder so I called my source in Charlotte when I got off work to see if he had heard anything. He had... at that time he told me that the Bobcats pushed again to acquire Paul, but it would have taken almost everything the Bobcats had, plus taking on enough of New Orleans' bad contracts that they could not have matched a front loaded offer sheet for Tyrus Thomas if one was offered.
At the same time though he did tell me that 'something major was in the works' and he couldn't give me more details. At that time, I believed it was going to be a plan to send some of Toronto's trade exception, and Nazr Mohammad and picks to Minnesota for Al Jefferson... but my source told me 'it's not Jefferson'.
A little after midnight word got out that Jordan was about to pull the plug on the Calderon deal... I had no idea what was happening, but that same night my source was called into work around that same time.
In the morning he called me as he was heading into the office. He told me some 'crazy stuff was going on'. He also told me the Charlotte Observer would have false information, and he didn't believe that any national outlet would have any information. At this time, as far as he was concerned the Calderon deal was still alive.
At this point I must interject in this long winded story to explain something that I found out after the fact relating to Tuesday. Something to do with the Bower firing in New Orleans opened the possibility to trade for Chris Paul for the first time. The Bobcats got word of this in the evening Monday, Vegas time and it was their belief Paul was going to be shopped. They saw their major stumbling block in getting Paul to be Dallas, who they knew had already made numerous overtures to New Orleans like the Bobcats had. Dallas, convinced Paul wasn't going anywhere was offered Chandler and Ajinca for Dampier, Carroll and Najera- the very contracts they were trying to move to Minnesota for Al Jefferson. The Bobcats knew what Dallas wanted gone, and made an offer and closed it as soon as possible.
Even now I'm not sure why we had to have Erick Dampier... I can speculate that maybe New Orleans wanted to cut money outright, but they did not want Tyson Chandler. Convinced that Dallas would find out about Bower's eventual firing Charlotte got the deal closed and in the book Tuesday.
We were left wondering what was planned. Tuesday night I got an email from another friend of mine in New York. He was not related to the Bobcats' organization, but his company did a lot of dealings with the NBA and typically facilitated in large scale trades. It was here that I first heard about what was referred to as 'the deal'.
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
I can't tell you the psyche behind the trade itself, but I have my opinions on why this may have happened. My understanding is though that Charlotte for the first time had pieces New Orleans may be interested in to acquire Chris Paul, provided we would also take Emeka Okafor's contract back. It was outlined to me like this:
Trade 1: Erick Dampier to New Orleans for Chris Paul http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=2739ale*
Trade 2: DJ Augustin, Gerald Henderson, Nazr Mohammad, unprotected 1st round pick, 2nd round pick for Emeka Okafor http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=2eyj3tu*
I was told that this started in motion a long standing dream that Michael Jordan had to unite several of his 'Team Jordan' athletes under his team. Even though the Bobcats would be deep in the luxury tax, it was the organization's belief that the extra ticket sales, sponsorship opportunities and marketing would ultimately outweigh the money lost to luxury. He told me it would be 'damn near impossible' to pull off the trade, but when I pressed him he told me he gave it about a '30% chance of happening'.
Following this, he told me about another trade.
I was told that if, and only if Chris Paul was already on board negotiations would begin on another trade between the Charlotte Bobcats and the Denver Nuggets. Provided Paul has been traded, Carmelo Anthony would tell the organization that he would not be accepting their contract offer to play beyond the 2010-11 season. At this time the Bobcats would propose the following trade to Denver:
- Gerald Wallace, Boris Diaw, right to switch 1st round picks in a future draft, 2nd round pick for Carmelo Anthony. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...adeId=23fttaa*
I asked him why Denver would do this, and all he could tell me was 'they just saw what happened to Cleveland and Toronto... it's a sweetheart deal if you ask me'. This made sense to me... lose Melo to free agency, or get an All-Star, versatile big man and draft flexibility for essentially no reason. I believe Charlotte was offering this for two reasons:
1) MJ and Larry Brown have a long standing relationship and respect for George Karl
2) They couldn't carry that much salary into the season.
I asked him what he thought the chances of this one were. He told me '85% if they have Paul, 0% if they don't'. It was his belief that if Paul wasn't traded Anthony would wait a while longer and sign a 2 year extension so his contract finished as Paul's did. He also told me that Denver had been trying to trade for Paul also, but with no luck... they didn't have pieces New Orleans wanted.
From here, information started to trail off. My Bobcats source told me that numerous rumors were flying around and that while the Paul and Melo deal was something of water cooler banter in the organization he hadn't heard anything specific. He could tell me though that numerous backup plans were flooding in to the office regarding teams who wanted Dampier's 'dust contract' and these would be examined if the 'big trade' didn't go through. He told me at this time that what he did know was that if the 'big trade' didn't happen by the end of Friday, there was almost no chance it would occur at all. He did tell me, however, that a fake rumor detailing interest in Ramon Sessions would leak during the day, and that if we signed a free agent PG it was a good sign.
Wednesday: Bower was fired (peaked my interest), they voided Luther Head's contract (I believed to make room for Henderson) and we signed Livingston (I believed because we knew we were losing DJ).
When these three things happened I was literally giddy... I was sure the deal was going through and when Ourdaywillcome said his people said it was on I thought it was a slam dunk.
Then nothing happened
I need to add that behind the scenes this entire time Ourday and myself were comparing notes. Everything we got kept being remarkably similar, enough that I was sure we were on to something.
I still don't know what happened on Wednesday to delay the deal. My guy in Charlotte had no clue, and my source in NY was preoccupied with other issues... and here we sit at 3 a.m. On Saturday morning and I'm still not 100% sure why everything came grinding to a halt.
So, that's what I know. I'm as disappointed as the rest of you that this didn't go through. Now, we have to wait and see what 'backup trades' could materialize. I asked my source in Charlotte yesterday, and he told me that it would take everyone getting back from Vegas and then evaluating what happened and what they had on the table. He told me it could take up to weeks.
If you have any questions, fire away. The only thing I ask if that you don't pose a question that would result in me giving away any information on my sources.
From bobcatsplanet.com
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melo and cp3 would be a beautiful tandem to watch
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Wow..
That's all they think it would take?
Really?
That's all they think it would take?
Really?
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One of the "backup" trades that Charlotte apparently has on the table if they want it or not is with DET.
Ben Gordon and Chris Wilcox for Dampier
Ben Gordon and Chris Wilcox for Dampier
