Originally Posted by JapanAir21
Rose and Noah are better than anyone else on that roster, before Amare signed.
Bulls can still sign almost 2 max players.
If a superstar goes there, they STILL get another really good player.
Like if Bron or Wade signs, and then they can go get someone like Boozer, who would be a MUCH better roster than NYK.
I don't really care about the Knicks because they aren't anything. What I get a kick out of is that all of these people coming out of the woodwork suddenly having faith, and calling people like Douglas a key piece that would bring in talent. Mentioning dudes like him is equivalent to mentioning Taj Gibson and James Johnson for going to the Bulls. It ain't. Danilo is cool and all, but there isn't any appeal outside of him, and as many call it, "the system."
The system failed in Phoenix when there were no Lakers, it's going to work now?
And the best option is New York is just wrong. Even the depleted Heat have a better roster with TWO GUYS. Beasley is far and away better than Danilo, and Chalmers has enough seasoning to make him more appealing to free agents than Douglas. Same situation in New Jersey.
I just find it amusing how much the Knicks suddenly have faith in their team, and their management. They have no pieces to build around (now I guess they do with Amare, but you bring in one more guy, and is that enough?)
Okay sure that's great if they get say Amare, TP, and for arguments sake, Carmelo Anthony. That team is still not winning a chip. Like I said before, is that team (Amare, TP, Melo) better than the Nuggets were last year? I don't really think so, and even then it wasn't enough. It'd be damn hard to fill out the roster when you have so many guys making so much money and you're signing them as FREE AGENTS, not signing them to extensions where you can go over the cap a bit.
Plus, WHO KNOWS what's going to happen with the CBA next year. That's why THIS summer is so huge. It's fine to want to speculate about next year, but this is the last year with this CBA, next year it might be really hard for guys to go somewhere else because of the re-working of the CBA, maybe there'll be a lockout, WHO KNOWS.
I just don't see where all the hope and optimism comes from.
The optimism comes from having an embarrassment of a team paraded in front of you for years and know that they had no future. Layden and Isiah crippled our franchise for most of this decade by bad contracts and trades. We're finally optimistic because we FINALLY realized it was time to rebuild and to try to right as many wrongs as possible. Some may disagree with trying to rebuild through the free agency, but considering the prizes at stake and the assets we had at the time, it was a good way to go.
The reason people mention Toney Douglas is exactly what you stated.. the media and Bulls fans mention Taj Gibson like he's a proven all-star when he's not. If Gibson gets mentioned, then so does Douglas. If Noah gets mentioned, then Wilson Chandler should too. Rose is obviously the best player on both squads before Amare got there, but Gallinari only gets a mention when it's "and Gallinari can shoot well"... when fact is.. most people never watched the Knicks to even know what kind of game he has. Just today on PTI, Bob Ryan couldn't even recall his name, and Wilbon grossly mispronounced it when speaking of Gallo... and it's not because he isn't good enough, it's because people just assume EVERYONE on the Knicks is a headcase like Steph or a huge bum like Curry and that's frustrating as a fan. Gallinari is a lights out shooter at 6'10", welcomes the challenge of guarding the best player, and is basically coming off his rookie season. Why is it such a bad thing to be optimistic about a player?
Beasley is really that much better? Then why did they put up similar numbers? Why isn't Beasley out there with 20 and 10? Chalmers is suddenly a seasoned player? Come on... I'm not saying Douglas is the next Chris Paul, but let's not pretend Chalmers is either.
You're right in part, the Bulls can add Boozer and still have enough for the max to Lebron or Wade... but they don't have Boozer, or Bosh, or anyone yet. The only team to add someone new right now is the Knicks. When people start proclaiming the Knicks the Finals champs with just Amare, then by all means set them straight. But let fans be pleased with a good move and a big signing, it's one thing to doubt the Knicks chances to land Lebron, to say with Amare they won't make it far, or to have any legitimate opinion in a sports discussion... but you just come across as angry and bitter towards the Knicks fans being optimistic for once in the last 5 years.
