OFFICIAL THE WIRE THREAD.. ''The game is the game"

[ogbobbyjohnson773]

This ***** hairline

 

[storm2006]

This ***** hairline

Always reminded me of this gif

 

[elpablo21]

What was the reason for it ending @ the time it was cancelled?

Def needed a season with lone wolf Michael, Slim and Fat Face Rick as the new kingpins and Marlo inevitably crashing out

would have been dope to see more Avon and Wee Bey in prison + Stringer just kinda popped up outta nowhere knowing Clay Davis and ****. They shoulda showed that process

As highly rated and critically acclaimed the show was it didn't have the best viewership at the time. Was competing against some other Sunday night shows that drew more eyes.

Show deserved more time but it was losing the battle for actual viewers unfortunately

 

[getback]

Wish the newspaper angle had more time to develop. I feel like it would have played out a lot better with more time

Yup.

The media angle was 100% necessary. Just look at the times we're in now and how traditional news media has progressed to social media and how things get even more skewed, create more division and drive narratives.

Wire was always ahead of it's time. They just didn't execute it well in S5.

4 > 2 > 1 = 3 >> 5

 

[IATT]

*raises hand*

I still don't understand how yall defend Avon and **** on String.

Avon set up his brother to DIE!

Avon was a rabid dog.

String gave dude every chance to smarten up.

nah.. Marlo was the rabid dog, even Chris tried to talk sense into him or keep stuff from him in their own best interest

string thought he was smart and was a douche.. props on him trying better himself but as was clear he was just f’n up on both ends

slim Charles and Chris were probably the smartest ones out of the drug game crew

avon was smarter than string

 

[getback]

Yeah String was trying to play "away games" but was sloppy as hell with it. Tried too hard to walk the line when it came to the game and going legit. Avon chose a side, stayed there and never really wavered. String trusted the downtown suits, but didn't trust D, Wallace, etc. He was very inconsistent.

 

[IATT]

The media angle was 100% necessary.

not how it was done

if they wanted to do it needed to be bigger themes and interactions going back into previous seasons

and opportunities are there between the police, politicians and the street level stories

even with the hamsterdam aspect of the reporter you could have given a slightly bigger role that then pays off more later on

 

[getback]

not how it was done

That's what I said

They just didn't execute it well in S5.

 

[ill steelo]

What was the reason for it ending @ the time it was cancelled?

Def needed a season with lone wolf Michael, Slim and Fat Face Rick as the new kingpins and Marlo inevitably crashing out

would have been dope to see more Avon and Wee Bey in prison + Stringer just kinda popped up outta nowhere knowing Clay Davis and ****. They shoulda showed that process

David Simon himself speculated that, particularly at that time on a subscription TV service, that a predominantly black cast will naturally limit the audience. They were diving really really deep into black stories, except in S2 which was largely a white story and was the most watched season by far. After that ratings dropped damn near 50% in S3 and the show was almost cancelled. Almost 2 years between S3 & S4.

The plots were also pretty thick, and they’re carrying a LOT forward every episode. It’s not your like CSI & NYU where you’re solving something every single time out. Which is why people rewatch everything a hundred times and get something new. The show will never die which is a good thing for a creator.

On the other hand if you’re watching it live week to week without dvr or any on-demand service it takes quite a bit of investment, especially when you factor in how much they replace the cast - which is one of the overarching points of the series.

 

[getback]

They had to fight HBO every year to get renewed for another season. They delve into it pretty deeply in "All the Pieces" matter. Show almost never got made.

 

[IATT]

Yeah String was trying to play "away games" but was sloppy as hell with it. Tried too hard to walk the line when it came to the game and going legit. Avon chose a side, stayed there and never really wavered. String trusted the downtown suits, but didn't trust D, Wallace, etc. He was very inconsistent.

string wanted recognition and acceptance.. he could have done exactly what fat face Rick did and purchased the properties, sat on em and laid low

you gotta actually do your homework and string didn’t do that.. he could have gone and talked to levy or hell gone to other people to asks questions and get advice from

prop joe was actually smart but f’d up on some of the math on the equations.. he assumed family always equaled loyal and didnt see Marlo wanted/cared more than the money

 

[IATT]

That's what I said

I just don’t get how they get to season 5 and decide that needs to be such a dominate angle

season 1 we see clearly how kids are involved in the game and they play major roles which then lead to season 4 and then Michael

they could have “season 2’d” it but then the newspaper needs to legit be the actual focus and driving the whole season and we’re visiting the old players as it correlates to the newspaper running or trying to figure out stories

 

[B Sox]

String getting played by Clay Davis in S3 was hilarious. Dude always thought he was smarter than he actually was.

 

[getback]

I just don’t get how they get to season 5 and decide that needs to be such a dominate angle

Read "All the Pieces Matter"

 

[IATT]

Read "All the Pieces Matter"

ill check it out..

actually the more I think about it season 4 is the example where the kids were the clear focus and things are happening around their story.. could have easily done that with the newspaper given it’s touching or should be touching so many of the players

 

[IATT]

Going listening to the van/jemele season 5 podcasts.. interested to get their views given both work in media and jemele was in the newspaper at one point

 

[getback]

Yeah S4 in unequivocally about the youth. It's essentially an "origin" story about the older players we've seen in the first three seasons.

 

[IATT]

Yeah S4 in unequivocally about the youth. It's essentially an "origin" story about the older players we've seen in the first three seasons.

yup.. really was a perfect pivot for the show.. obviously have the growth of Bodie throughout and the whole Wallace thing from season 1

they could have done the same thing with the newsroom.. could have gone to certain police officers for sources which could lead to the street and the politicians.. You have clear frustrations from budget cuts, which fosters leaks.. so you then got the reporters trying do police work and pick up the pieces of the 22 murders which leads to the street side

but given how it played out, Marlo/Michael/slim should have been the focus

 

[ill steelo]

*raises hand*

I still don't understand how yall defend Avon and **** on String.

Avon set up his brother to DIE!

Avon was a rabid dog.

String gave dude every chance to smarten up.

There is no “co-op” with Marlo. Avon was the only one who saw it & was the only one who remembered what line of work they’re in

Prop Joe & String only see money. They assume everybody will be diplomatic as long as the money is flowing. They completely overlooked power, which some people value more than any amount of money.

You’re gonna say Prop Joe should’ve never let him meet the connect. Marlo was gonna kill Cheese for the robbery & in Joe’s mind Joe can’t make that sacrifice - we know he’s loyal to family (just like Avon is) & we don’t know if his other lieutenants are capable of stepping up. And he didn’t have the muscle to get at Marlo.

Regardless, String was the right hand. When you’re the #2 if you disagree with the boss you sit on it, you don’t just do what you wanna do anyway

 

[IATT]

Avon wins if slim Charles is his no.2

string was f’n up on many levels cause he just thought he was smarter than other people.. prop joe was actually smarter but thought money and family would save him from what killed him.. he knew what cheese was, but cheese was family.. but he figured the Greeks for some odd reason wouldn’t go with someone else and he didn’t think to marlo’s other desires outside of money

marlo wanted the crown and legit cared about slight disrespects

slim outright warns prop joe.. Shame we couldn’t see Avon with slim.. Michael coming up under Chris was right

 

[IATT]

Also the stupidity of string is exemplified in how he approached the damn drug game

he‘s taking that economics 101 but ain’t even attempt to understand or apply what he was learning to the streets

he had a subpar product and was giving up locations.. he could have looked at McDonald’s or Starbucks and increased his physical presence in the market to sell the subpar product.. but instead he was going to his competitor for the supply while also giving up territory

look how quick Avon was able to control the situation with the Russian even thou he’s a 3rd party.. they had zero reason to cut him in, but they did

 

[swendro]

Avon admitted that Stringer was right and that beefing over the corners was ultimately pointless.

 

[IATT]

Avon admitted that Stringer was right and that beefing over the corners was ultimately pointless.

the man cost and risk of war was bad

but the economics is straight forward.. they ain’t the Greeks, so they need territory

 

[IATT]

Randy was cheese’s kid?!?

just learned this shh from the ringer wire pod

 

[IATT]

I got like 2 more episodes of season 5 left, but the more I watch especially after just watching the other seasons especially 4, it stands out how bad it is

it ain’t as big of a drop as say lost.. or game of thrones.. but there is a drop, likely certain other parts were in there

But this dude templeton sloppy as hell and too many people are aware of just how sloppy and lazily he was doing his shh