:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Season Thread [2-2 vs Cardinals 10/07 1:05PST]:::

Should UnicornHunter’s faithful card be revoked for his blasphemous Patrick Willis comments?

  • Yes permanently

    Votes: 31 79.5%
  • Yes temporarily

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • No

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
Wow, Kawasaki nailed it. These young guys would be FOOD for Paraag.
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[h1]49ers’ focus should be on the guy who can pick the next QB… and who can say “hell no” to Jed York & Paraag Marathe[/h1]
Jed York and Paraag Marathe have a lot of issues to navigate in their combo coach/GM or is it GM/coach search right now, and it seems they are–as usual–primarily concerned with making sure they’re given the thumbs up by their favorite national reporters.

OK, this is just the 49ers’ way these days, pretty much ever since Mike Nolan came to town in 2005 and an impressionable Jed York saw how thoroughly Nolan conducted the team’s business through leaks to national media members.

Jed loved that so much he has used it as his main modus operandi  since assuming the CEO/owner role, and he is right back at it with this double search, of course he is.

And in fact I understand why York and his lieutenant Paraag Marathe are so closely in touch with their favorite national reporters in this search–they don’t really have other strong league connections, so they’re being guided largely by information gleaned from these very well-connected reporters.

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Basically: Jed and Paraag could do a lot worse than counting on top national reporters to provide the main background for this search.

They have  done worse. That would be… the Jim Tomsula hire when the national reporters were floating other names.

But before we get too much further into the longer-range National Reporter Effect, let’s get to the bottom-floor most significant practical issue on the table for York and Marathe in this search:

* No matter how they get to their coach and GM picks, the No. 1 answer York and Marathe must answer for themselves and everybody is not in question.
The biggest point: Is this coach and this GM the best duo to pick and develop a quarterback and then surround him with the right pieces to win big?

That’s it. That’s the main question. Everything else folds around that–and we can look to the current elite teams right now for evidence.

You get Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson and Derek Carr, you’re set for a decade or more.

You get stuck with Colin Kaepernick in a down cycle, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder… and you don’t have the means to coach Kaepernick or surround him with complementary offensive talent… then you get 2-14 and you’re hiring a new coach for the third time in three years.

For this era of the NFL, and especially for the 49ers, it’s all about the QB first, at least at the start. That was Trent Baalke’s climactic failure, and I can’t see how anybody can explain that one away.
If Jed York hires a coach and GM who have a clear vision about what they want at QB, how they’re going to get that guy and how they’ll build around him… then this process will have been a success.

If not, it will not be a success. Pretty simple there.

* This is why most logical assumptions seem to point to New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels as the 49ers’ primary focus.

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If McDaniels has signaled that he could come in as a same-culture-same-mindset tandem with a GM candidate like Louis Riddick or Elliot Wolf or whoever… that’s the smartest way to work this, if you ask me.
Just to be clear, McDaniels has a relatively mixed record with QBs:

-He has worked for years in different stints with Tom Brady (obviously very good);

-When he got his first head-coaching gig in Denver he fairly quickly dumped Jay Cutler (overall a plus);

-Drafted Tim Tebow in the first round (not good);
-Then was fired after not doing a good job managing that locker room (very not good);
-And wound his way back to New England for more good work with Brady and perhaps more significantly success with Jimmy Garoppolo and Jacoby Brissett (very good) when Brady was suspended this season.

But what’s most impressive about McDaniels is that he clearly has a strong view of QBs, he knows what he likes and doesn’t like, he has made the big call on a QB a time or two previously, and presumably has learned from any mistake he has made.

For instance, if McDaniels tells the 49ers he wants to trade for Garoppolo, there’s hardly anybody more credible to make that call–or to assess what the 49ers really should offer for him.

(Also if he doesn’t want to acquire Garoppolo.)

I’ve also touted Riddick for a while now partly because I’ve heard him give very focused critiques of what he likes in a QB and who he likes… and yes, I heard him strongly circle Carr as a high QB value months before the Raiders ended up drafting him in 2015.

If McDaniels and Riddick walk into this situation together, that’s about as good as the 49ers can do to answer the QB question, IMO.

* Another thing: Jed and Marathe assuredly are going into this ready to be patient with whoever they hire–and that’s exactly what Peter King reported.

Again: Jed has fired three coaches in three years, will be hiring a fourth in four years, and will be paying three of them during the 2017 and 2018 seasons (and then Chip Kelly for another after that).

It’s expensive to be this incompetent.
So yes, I’m sure Jed realizes it’d be even more expensive to be impatient with this latest coach/GM tandem, whoever it is, and that becomes a reality in itself–the money dictates that Jed will have a little more patience with this one.

But that of course is what we thought about the Chip Kelly hire last year. And not so much.

And also… I wonder if Jed realizes that the best candidates probably are the ones who might make him the most uncomfortable right off the bat.

Those are the guys who have the talent and the confidence to allow management to be patient with them–because they tend to win more.

Supplicants don’t tend to win often.
Jed might talk a big game to his national buddies about hiring the best guys, but he has tended to pick candidates who had no other viable options and had no ability to tell Jed “no” on anything.

-Tomsula, obviously. That was the Yorks’ shining knight for years, mainly because he bowed to them and was their creation. The idea of him coaching any other team was laughable and yet the Yorks loved him for that.

-Baalke was an immense owner-flatterer throughout his time as 49ers GM, and before he was the 49ers GM.

If you think he’s a monster GM talent… go ahead, let’s see him get that next NFL GM job. Get back to me when that happens.

-Kelly had no other options when the 49ers hired him. Didn’t work out so well.

-Mike Singletary was on staff when York fired Nolan. No other options.

-Marathe. He has made a nice, long career out of flattering Jed.

-The only time during Jed’s ownership tenure that he hired somebody who had options and had the presumption and mindset to tell Jed “hell no”… was Jim Harbaugh.
And Jed hated that.

OK, generally, I think he’s going into this planning to hire the best candidate, even if it might be an edgy candidate.

But you never know if Jed can pull the trigger on that if he has a more pleasing alternative, and he almost always does.

 
* If we’re assuming McDaniels feels like the 49ers’ No. 1 focus, it’s semi-interesting to note that his agent (Bob LaMonte) is same man who convinced the 49ers’ steering committee to hire Mike Nolan in 2005 and give him full personnel power.

The people who made up 2/4ths of that 49ers’ steering committee: Marathe and Jed York, in Jed’s first official power role with the 49ers.

* And about those leaks: Almost all teams leak–it’s part of the business and it’s part of journalism, and leaks aren’t inherently evil. Not at all.

But the problem is that most consistent, most porous, most directed  49ers’ leaks are all about making sure Jed is put in the best light, that his enemies are put in the worst light, and stories that are put out there just to please the owner are almost never productive.

The pattern: Jed’s leaks get faster and stronger the deeper into any coach’s tenure, and once they start nicking and slicing at the coach (in order to make Jed look stronger and wiser), the coach gets fired within a few months.

If you’re McDaniels, you have to ask Jed and Marathe the question: Why has there been so much self-destructive leaking and how can you guarantee me that it won’t happen here?

Another: If I see you continuing to leak, even about this process (as Jed is doing now), do I have to consider these national reporters as part of the interviewing committee? Will they be my bosses, too?

Finally: What’s Marathe’s job, anyway? Why is he in this meeting?

I think those questions might put Jed on the defensive and Jed doesn’t like that.

He has set up this entire 49ers organization to make sure Jed isn’t asked these kinds of questions by anybody–except at his annual fire-the-coach pressers, of course.

But look at where that has gotten the 49ers.

These are important questions. If he wants to hire a good coach and GM–guys who aren’t cronies, but actually can do the job best–then Jed should want these questions to be asked.

And he better have good answers.
 
We seen what happened last time someone had a "hell no" mentality with upper management... End up getting the axe

How about Jed/Paraage just let the coaches/gm run the show and they sit back
 
you know that aint happening. Paraag is going to be involved. It's up to the incoming GM+HC to put him in his place.

Ideally, the new GM+HC turn things around, start winning, and force Paraag out of the building down the road.
 
Im pretty sure paraag and jed dont want a person that tells them NO.

Mcvay should stay as a Oc for a couple more years to better prepare himself to be a coach. But for some reason i dont like mcdaniels. Not his scheme or fooltball related just the the vibe. He seems like a *****
 
Another glaring concern I have with McVay is his ability to put together a staff. What kind of staff can this dude put together? This guy is a baby in the game. What kind of connections does he have? Being able to put a good staff together is just as important as being able to lead a locker room. We saw how ****** Chip's staff was. His biggest flaw was that he couldn't hire a competent DC.

Look at the staff McDaniels' assembled in Denver: Mike McCoy, Bobby Turner, Adam Gase, Mike Nolan, Ed Donatell, etc. 
 
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and to be honest, I don't love any of the HC candidates. I prefer McDaniels, but I am not crazy about him, either. If you hire him, you're banking on the hope that he's learned from his time in Denver. As far as scheme goes, the guy's aptitude can't be questioned. He knows his **** there, and his offenses are impressive.

Eliot Wolf is probably the most impressive GM candidate.
 
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Bama vs clemson in 1 hr 30 min

Pro prospects everywhere on the field


And we have no eyes there :frown:
 
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Red,

If I recall correctly a few years back when the inevitable news of Coach being forced out by Jed was gonna be reality, I remember you touted Pep Hamilton (when he was the Colts OC) being a low key HC candidate that teams and 49ers (back then) should give a look.

What happened to his NFL stock? I know he was the scapegoat last year for the Colts.

Only mentioning b/c I see he just got hired to be Coach's "passing game coordinator" at Michigan.

Saw that Michigan originally targeted Greg Roman doe :lol:
 
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No idea, but good to see him back with coach in Michigan. A lot of these dudes have reached their ceiling at coordinator/position coach and only realize that once they become head coach and have to lead the entire team.

i wouldn't be surprised if pip was a casualty of the dysfunction there.
 
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btw indi's dysfunction is on another level. i feel sorry for luck. his career is going to waste there.

the GM ryan grigson really said he couldn't build a defense because too much cap money was tied up on the QB. really? what a ******* disaster.
 
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speaking of coach, one of harbaugh's greatest attributes his ability to hire the best assistants where ever he goes. it doesn't matter where he's at, he is going to get the best people around him.

one of chip's massive flaws was the opposite: he couldn't get any good people to work with him. 

and as bad as his staff was, jimmy T's staff was better than chip's. 
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speaking of coach, one of harbaugh's greatest attributes his ability to hire the best assistants where ever he goes. it doesn't matter where he's at, he is going to get the best people around him.


one of chip's massive flaws was the opposite: he couldn't get any good people to work with him. 


and as bad as his staff was, jimmy T's staff was better than chip's. :x  

How we won more games w/ Jimmy T and the perceived lesser roster :rofl: :x
 
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and Mangini aint that great to begin with
 
Jim O'neil is the worst DC i've ever seen. I've never seen a more incompetent play caller on defense. The guy would dial up stunts leaving a massive running lane at exactly where the ball was going. 
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my buddies cousin goes to bama, and he says reuben foster has a ****** up knee. 
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I was readin more on mcvay and he seems to be a person who commads and gets the respect from players.

**** it, if the niners want to be a great team it all starts with the D [emoji]128520[/emoji].

Power uo the D line and LBs and lets see other teams tryna run on the niners
He "ran" an offense but realistically Gruden is an offense guy so pretty sure gruden ran the offense realistically

Only concern I have. Plus his age.
 
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i would give them our entire draft 
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luck too nice for his own good. they ruining his career. 
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Luck is the only guy I'd give up our draft for, his upside is better than Brady but he's gonna be like Plunkett and rot in Indy, he's gonna be that dude people are like "what could have been"?, what they are doing to him in Indy is downright criminal, and he is too nice to say anything to stir the pot. 
 
watching college offenses is so disgusting. 4th and 1, and you're in the gun. 
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i used to be a big fan of chip when he first burst onto the scene; now, im ******* disgusted by these spread offenses.
 
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