***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[i lax bro]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

 

[futuremd]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

I can't speak for anyone else but for me?

1. The "we gave the black guy a shot" rhetoric

2. The impatient citizens who don't understand how presidential accountability actually works. People really thought "Hope and Change" meant rainbows and free stuff. 

3. I don't think the debates have anything to do with it. I'm the type of person that listens to what is said, not how it was said and even I will admit that obama slacked on only one debate so you can't even push that one. We all know how Biden did. 

4. The electoral college. 

 

[Majorbread]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

Peoples inability to research/collect the facts for themselves, and unrealistic expectations that Obama should have had the country running like a fine tuned machine by now after what he inherited.

Debates at the end of the day shouldn't matter. Polices/Stances haven't changed, well they have for Mitt, but people are so quick to forget **** from 6 months ago, and the debates are so close to the election they somehow play a major role.

ALL IMO

 

[RustyShackleford]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

-I'll blame it on moderates drinking the same cool-aid Bush was serving up in 2000. It is like people don't remember the craziness that followed Bush to Washington. If you are voting for Mitt, your are also cosigning all the foolishness of the GOP.

-On the Obama campaign: I think they needed to be more aggressive in showing Mitt's lies. Mitt straight up makes **** up, maybe he does it so frequently they can't keep up but if he is able to lie his way into being President the only people you can blame for letting that happen in the Obama campign

 

[ccastro02]

Lawrence Wilkerson on the racism behind the GOP.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...d=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk2&pLid=226553

 

[essential1]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

The first debate and low information voters..

Up until a few days after that debate Obama was leading huge. Compared to 2008, he would have only lost Indiana if the election was held October 7th. And was at a similar % he was in 2008 for popular vote.

Obama put up a bad performance debate 1. And Mitt was able to etch-a-sketch himself into a moderate when that just is not the case. But people were not reading or seeing what he said in the prior year that was 100% contradictory of his positions on October 3.

Had Obama shown up and did what he did in Debate 2 & Debate 3 in the 1st Debate this election would have been a blow out.

 

[38816]

turns out obama shouted his weedman out in his HS yearbook.


4 more years.

choom gang bang.

 

[ninjahood]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

Peoples inability to research/collect the facts for themselves, and unrealistic expectations that Obama should have had the country running like a fine tuned machine by now after what he inherited.

Debates at the end of the day shouldn't matter. Polices/Stances haven't changed, well they have for Mitt, but people are so quick to forget **** from 6 months ago, and the debates are so close to the election they somehow play a major role.

ALL IMO

he's da one who said if he didn't have da economy running and unemployment at under 8% that his presidency would be a one term proposition.

 

[essential1]

he's da one who said if he didn't have da economy running and unemployment at under 8% that his presidency would be a one term proposition.

Unemployment is under 8%.

The economy is vastly improved..

Soooooooooo

 

[RustyShackleford]

Had Obama shown up and did what he did in Debate 2 & Debate 3 in the 1st Debate this election would have been a blow out.

This.

People keep saying that the first debate performance was planned tactic, but I can't see how that makes sense.

Mitt's campaign was on the ropes, it was basically a "finish him" moment and Obama dropped the ball. Especially since Mitt was up there lying and flip flopping like crazy. It was like watching a pitcher hanging a 75 mph fastball over the plate and the batter choosing to let them be call strikes instead of going for the HR

 

[Coupé It]

To the Liberals of NT, hypothetically if Obama loses, what will you blame his loss on? Would it be the debate, or something else?

First Debate, no question. I don't care what type of excuses FutureMD gave out. Their has never been a 5-7 point turnaround in a couple days in the month of October. The candidate going into October, leading the polls by 3 or more poll points has always won. The First debate changed things, it have the Republican base so much energy and momentum.

Told ya'll pages ago, if Obama loses, our grandchildren are going to be reading about "The Day Obama lost the election".

However I still don't think Obama is going to lose.

 

[blakep267]

-I'll blame it on moderates drinking the same cool-aid Bush was serving up in 2000. It is like people don't remember the craziness that followed Bush to Washington. If you are voting for Mitt, your are also cosigning all the foolishness of the GOP.
-On the Obama campaign: I think they needed to be more aggressive in showing Mitt's lies. Mitt straight up makes **** up, maybe he does it so frequently they can't keep up but if he is able to lie his way into being President the only people you can blame for letting that happen in the Obama campign

Im starting to think that people dont care about Mitt's lies or flip flops. Not everybody of course, but alot of people Ive talked to about the election actually believe the things that he says, even if he flip flops from a previous statement.

 

[essential1]

However I still don't think Obama is going to lose.

The Electoral College is so against Mitt's favor it's interesting...

Out of the 8-9 swing states.. Obama could win only Florida and drop every other swing state and still win.

 

[Majorbread]

he's da one who said if he didn't have da economy running and unemployment at under 8% that his presidency would be a one term proposition.

Unemployment @7.8%

http://www.bls.gov/cps/

GDP up 2% in Q3, better than expected

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203922804578080410508606912.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

I just don't think we should be so quick to go back to the drawing board.

 

[ccastro02]

Im starting to think that people dont care about Mitt's lies or flip flops. Not everybody of course, but alot of people Ive talked to about the election actually believe the things that he says, even if he flip flops from a previous statement.

They don't. They'll vote ABO regardless of policy, lies, and flip flops.

 

[ijumpman]

I voted early yesterday, which was also my first time ever voting. Proud to say, I voted for Obama.

 

[ninjahood]

its STILL inaccurate information because that whole industry is depends on government tax breaks, if those companies were run on UNsubsidzed funds like bain captial

investments, da failure rate would be alot higher.

da fact of da matter is, there is NO demand for green jobs...

obama talks about wind and solar like its da next thing smoking

Ninjahood, you are seriously misinformed. As a recent graduate from stony brook with a bachelors of engineering in electrical engineering let me correct you, there are a swarm of jobs in the energy and communications industry. Solar, geo-thermal, wind, bio-fuel, infrared, ultraviolet, sound, vibration. There is so much demand in our industry it's a joke. Within a year of working for sharps solar energy department i went from an intern to a senior designer/ project manager at one of their corporate centers here in ny, with a salary increase of almost double. Green jobs are paying big bucks because demand is so high. Thanks to obama, solar is dirt cheap. One can install a 10kw system and only have pay about 8-7 grand out of pocket. Incentives and rebates takes care of the rest. Not to mention the 2-4 year payback.

Obama also brought back and made in to affect affect the energy policy that carter instilled that reagan later killed; which requires that a small percentage of every states' energy come from solar or wind. EVery year that number increases, and when states don't make quota they have to pay a MASSIVE fine every day it isn't met. As a result, the SREC market was born (read up). The SREc market is the exchange of Solar Renewable Energy Credits. When states don't meet quota, an alternative for them is to purchase renewable energy credits from homeowners and businesses who've installed solar panels on their home or business. States are able to apply this credit towards their quota. These credits can fetch big bucks in some states. A credit can be worth up too $600 for every megawatt produced.

Let's do the math. Assuming you install a 10kw system on your roof. Total cost of installation is about 34 grand. With a federal, state, and utility rebate, plus additional tax credits, you're looking at a out of pocket cost of 7-8 grand. Your panels are producing energy even when you're not using any, so by default it goes right back to the grid which means your local power utility is buying that excess electricity from you. But what about the srec? Say no more! A 10kw system produces energy at a rate of 10kw/ hr. A megawatt is a million watts. For every million watts produced, you've just earned yourself an srec. Say in a worst case scenario, you're only able to get 9 hours of sunlight; which is equivalent to 90kw a day. Assuming you produce 90kw of electricity a day, within two weeks you'd have produced a megawatt of energy, which in turn translates into an srec. You can now sell that srec to your state, and if you live in Massachusetts, they're worth about $600. That's $600 every two weeks!!!!

LMFAOO at your whole comment. Read up boy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_renewable_energy_certificate
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Sharp-Solar-Energy-Solutions-Group.html

Ohh, and if anyone is looking for a job at sharp as a solar project engineer, an add was posted a couple days ago:
http://www.campuscareercenter.com/full_jobs/1823437/Sharp_Solar/Solar_Sr_Project_Engineer_SI.html

Ninjahood, you're free to apply

EDIT: I will agree with you on one thing. That the renewable energy industry is heavily dependent on rebates and tax breaks. But than again so is oil. Real value of oil is about 18 bucks a gallon. The government subsidized the heck out of it so we only have to pay a mere 3.79 at the pump.

well there we go b, not for nothing, i know you know what you talking about (bill nye did a video on he basically is at a net minus when it comes energy

comsumption) but i dont put too much water in a industry that:

A. has so little effect on da total generation of energy in this country on a grand scale

B. a industry thats basically propped up by political legislation and is vulnerable to where ever da political winds blow.

and did someone say da economy is VASTLY improved under obama? lulz

2009: Q1 -5.3 percent

2009: Q2 -0.3 percent

2009: Q3 1.4 percent

2009: Q4 4.0 percent

2010: Q1 2.3 percent

2010: Q2 2.2 percent

2010: Q3 2.6 percent

2010: Q4 2.4 percent

2011: Q1 0.1 percent

2011: Q2 2.5 percent

2011: Q3 1.3 percent

2011: Q4 4.1 percent

2012: Q1 2.0 percent

2012: Q2 1.3 percent

2012: Q3 2.0 percent

thats our GDP growth in his 4 years as president.

to call it sputtering would be a compliment.

and unemployment numbers under 8%? lulz a pol that basically ignores when people are so fed up with looking for jobs that it doesn't count them when they drop out

of da job market?

im not gonna even post da unemployment rates for blacks and latinos cuz its embarrassing. there's a REASON his black constituent has been so mad at him..son

doesn't address da elephant of da room, da plight of da minorities, how they're warehousing ******, how his own home city is plagued by murders of blacks by

other blacks. da rampant deportation of my fellow hispanics, breaking up families, da flip flopping of legislation some kind of measure that would end da senseless

war on drugs at least on a weed level

obama has been a let down in so many ways, and it goes far beyond da economy.

 

[luckyluchiano]

dudes thought Obama was gonna bring Peace to the Hood? LOL

Thing is if Romney Wins and the US falls into a bigger whole all you can do is LOL @ how stupid americans are. I`m truly convinced at least 80% of our country is stupid.

 

[ccastro02]

well there we go b, not for nothing, i know you know what you talking about (bill nye did a video on he basically is at a net minus when it comes energy

comsumption) but i dont put too much water in a industry that:

A. has so little effect on da total generation of energy in this country on a grand scale

B. a industry thats basically propped up by political legislation and is vulnerable to where ever da political winds blow.

and did someone say da economy is VASTLY improved under obama? lulz

2009: Q1 -5.3 percent

2009: Q2 -0.3 percent

2009: Q3 1.4 percent

2009: Q4 4.0 percent

2010: Q1 2.3 percent

2010: Q2 2.2 percent

2010: Q3 2.6 percent

2010: Q4 2.4 percent

2011: Q1 0.1 percent

2011: Q2 2.5 percent

2011: Q3 1.3 percent

2011: Q4 4.1 percent

2012: Q1 2.0 percent

2012: Q2 1.3 percent

2012: Q3 2.0 percent

thats our GDP growth in his 4 years as president.

to call it sputtering would be a compliment.

and unemployment numbers under 8%? lulz a pol that basically ignores when people are so fed up with looking for jobs that it doesn't count them when they drop out

of da job market?

im not gonna even post da unemployment rates for blacks and latinos cuz its embarrassing. there's a REASON his black constituent has been so mad at him..son

doesn't address da elephant of da room, da plight of da minorities, how they're warehousing ******, how his own home city is plagued by murders of blacks by

other blacks. da rampant deportation of my fellow hispanics, breaking up families, da flip flopping of legislation some kind of measure that would end da senseless

war on drugs at least on a weed level

obama has been a let down in so many ways, and it goes far beyond da economy.

A) It will have a large affect on our countries energy production. People said the same thing about hybrid and electric cars in 2002. ten years later everyone drives a hyrbid or eco-car.
B) And the same applies to oil. Subsidizing oil is no different. If it weren't for political legislation price of oil would be around $18 a gallon.

Idk if you're reading that survey correctly, but it proves against your favor that the gdp has increased since obama has come into office, with an influx of losses and gains. Marginally speaking, the gdp has increased a total of 7% since obama came into office.

Unemployment is below 8%! Just accept it that things have gotten a lot better since 2008. I swear, republicans don't want unemployment to go down. It would prove obama's actually doing his job. Which he is.

If obama brought unemployment down to 0%, if everyone had high paying jobs, if there was peace in the middle east, admit it--you still wouldn't vote obama. Admit it, it's not about economics, it's not about foreign policy, and it's not a bout gdp. What is it?

And all that stuff about crime and murders in the hood. Obama has little to no control over that stuff. Mayors, governors, and local politicians are responsible for that stuff. Crime went down in the 90's in ny. Was it clinton that made a difference? no, it was giuliani. You're from NY man. You really can't be this naive.

 

[ninjahood]

well there we go b, not for nothing, i know you know what you talking about (bill nye did a video on he basically is at a net minus when it comes energy

comsumption) but i dont put too much water in a industry that:

A. has so little effect on da total generation of energy in this country on a grand scale

B. a industry thats basically propped up by political legislation and is vulnerable to where ever da political winds blow.

and did someone say da economy is VASTLY improved under obama? lulz

2009: Q1 -5.3 percent

2009: Q2 -0.3 percent

2009: Q3 1.4 percent

2009: Q4 4.0 percent

2010: Q1 2.3 percent

2010: Q2 2.2 percent

2010: Q3 2.6 percent

2010: Q4 2.4 percent

2011: Q1 0.1 percent

2011: Q2 2.5 percent

2011: Q3 1.3 percent

2011: Q4 4.1 percent

2012: Q1 2.0 percent

2012: Q2 1.3 percent

2012: Q3 2.0 percent

thats our GDP growth in his 4 years as president.

to call it sputtering would be a compliment.

and unemployment numbers under 8%? lulz a pol that basically ignores when people are so fed up with looking for jobs that it doesn't count them when they drop out

of da job market?

im not gonna even post da unemployment rates for blacks and latinos cuz its embarrassing. there's a REASON his black constituent has been so mad at him..son

doesn't address da elephant of da room, da plight of da minorities, how they're warehousing ******, how his own home city is plagued by murders of blacks by

other blacks. da rampant deportation of my fellow hispanics, breaking up families, da flip flopping of legislation some kind of measure that would end da senseless

war on drugs at least on a weed level

obama has been a let down in so many ways, and it goes far beyond da economy.

A) It will have a large affect on our countries energy production. People said the same thing about hybrid and electric cars in 2002. ten years later everyone drives a hyrbid or eco-car.
B) And the same applies to oil. Subsidizing oil is no different. If it weren't for political legislation price of oil would be around $18 a gallon.

Idk if you're reading that survey correctly, but it proves against your favor that the gdp has increased since obama has come into office, with an influx of losses and gains. Marginally speaking, the gdp has increased a total of 7% since obama came into office.

Unemployment is below 8%! Just accept it that things have gotten a lot better since 2008. I swear, republicans don't want unemployment to go down. It would prove obama's actually doing his job. Which he is.

If obama brought unemployment down to 0%, if everyone had high paying jobs, if there was peace in the middle east, admit it--you still wouldn't vote obama. Admit it, it's not about economics, it's not about foreign policy, and it's not a bout gdp. What is it?

if obama was doing is ******g job of course id vote for him, i would LOVE to know what you was implying there.

son out here mooching it up wit sway on MTV talking about how he listens to hiphop (which just screams desperation because you aint doing

anything about da crime or struggle these rap song tell you in da lyrics)

instead of talking about what really happened in libya with our diplomats, its type insincere.

da difference between me and alot of other cats up in here is i dont have to like da president to respect him, and i dont have to respect someone to like

them. da 2 terms are mutually exclusive.

bloomberg for example is someone i don't really care for, but i can't front like he hasn't been a blessing to NYC, dinkins was a cat i liked, doesn't mean

he was a great mayor.

 

[luckyluchiano]

lol kills me nimrods say there arent jobs, and you got all these energy jobs begging for our best and brightest but kids are majoring in psychology and crap lol

 

[ccastro02]

if obama was doing is ******g job of course id vote for him, i would LOVE to know what you was implying there.



son out here mooching it up wit sway on MTV talking about how he listens to hiphop (which just screams desperation because you aint doing

anything about da crime or struggle these rap song tell you in da lyrics)

instead of talking about what really happened in libya with our diplomats, its type insincere.

da difference between me and alot of other cats up in here is i dont have to like da president to respect him, and i dont have to respect someone to like

them. da 2 terms are mutually exclusive.

bloomberg for example is someone i don't really care for, but i can't front like he hasn't been a blessing to NYC, dinkins was a cat i liked, doesn't mean

he was a great mayor.

Ohh yea i forgot heights people don't drive.They stay between 168th street and dyckman so mass transit is how ya'll commute. If you'de actually leave your block, you'de notice that cop cars and taxis are now overwhelmingly hybrid. Long island is full of prius's and hybrids. The world is full of eco-cars and hybrids. I guess in dyckman all you see is drug dealers driving range rovers and beamers so one can understand your limited view on the issue. I personally drive a 2011 highlander hybrid.

I was insinuating that you like most other republicans are ABO. I'll take that back though.

Again there is very little obama can do about inner city crime. That is in the control of local government!! Something that republicans should be a fan of, unless you're flip floping to prove a weak point..

 

[acemaster193]

Speak for yourself bro, my uncle drives a Prius in the Heights. We still prefer to whip in the V8s though.

 

[ninjahood]

if obama was doing is ******g job of course id vote for him, i would LOVE to know what you was implying there.

son out here mooching it up wit sway on MTV talking about how he listens to hiphop (which just screams desperation because you aint doing

anything about da crime or struggle these rap song tell you in da lyrics)

instead of talking about what really happened in libya with our diplomats, its type insincere.

da difference between me and alot of other cats up in here is i dont have to like da president to respect him, and i dont have to respect someone to like

them. da 2 terms are mutually exclusive.

bloomberg for example is someone i don't really care for, but i can't front like he hasn't been a blessing to NYC, dinkins was a cat i liked, doesn't mean

he was a great mayor.

Ohh yea i forgot heights people don't drive.They stay between 168th street and dyckman so mass transit is how ya'll commute. If you'de actually leave your block, you'de notice that cop cars and taxis are now overwhelmingly hybrid. Long island is full of prius's and hybrids. The world is full of eco-cars and hybrids. I guess in dyckman all you see is drug dealers driving range rovers and beamers so one can understand your limited view on the issue. I personally drive a 2011 highlander hybrid.

I was insinuating that you like most other republicans are ABO. I'll take that back though.

Again there is very little obama can do about inner city crime. That is in the control of local government!! Something that republicans should be a fan of, unless you're flip floping to prove a weak point..

so government subsidized purchases is indicative of EVERYONE? lulz

dont confuse government mandates with da invisible hand of da market.

 

[3am scholar]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-u-s-president-obama-would-win-by-a-landslide

What do you make of this?