***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Majorbread]

Talked to my buddy who's voting Romney and he told me that Obama was going to take capital gains tax rates to 40%

Not to mention he said Obama took over and was responsible for 2008 (Election was Nov. 2008, Inauguration in Jan 09)

In terms of the economy., unemployment rates began to shoot up in 2008, when Bush was still president. They peaked at 10% in Oct 09, and the latest figure is see as of Sept is 7.8%

MY question for Romney voters: Don't you think there's some sort of time lapse with this ****???

Hypothetically, IF Romney wins, do you expect unemployment to be low as hell next year?

Also, with the unemployment numbers, I could be wrong, so school me if so.

Since when have we mentioned/measured unemployment by # of people???? To my knowledge its always been a %. Our population has grown, our rate is going down, but more people are out of work? well doesn't that make sense with overall growth?

And to comment on the unemployment rate for recent grads:

I was looking for a job right after my junior year started. People I know who looked early didn't have a problem finding a job. A majority of the kids who don't have a job also didn't start to look until spring/a month or 2 before graduation. Is obama responsible for their lack of action/responsibility? I don't think so

 

[laker4lifeman]

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/10/22/Law-and-Politics/Contributions.aspx

Nascar

 

[big j 33]

How you could look past Mitt Romney's record as a businessman and come to the conclusion that he'll do better for America is entirely beyond me

He had a 78% rate for profits at Bain, and I doubt you have any idea what PE is, but that is a pretty good success to failure ratio.... Couldn't you say the same for Obama's business record? Oh wait I forgot he has no experience at all in the economic area. I mean I guess those green energy companies that were funded by our taxpayer money that went bankrupt doesn't mean anything..

WUT?

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 8% of green companies that received stimulus money went bankrupt, 22% of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in charge went bankrupt:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-25-2012/picking-winners---losers?xrs=share_copy

Try again fam. 

Beat me to it, thank you. 

 

[ninjahood]

How you could look past Mitt Romney's record as a businessman and come to the conclusion that he'll do better for America is entirely beyond me

He had a 78% rate for profits at Bain, and I doubt you have any idea what PE is, but that is a pretty good success to failure ratio.... Couldn't you say the same for Obama's business record? Oh wait I forgot he has no experience at all in the economic area. I mean I guess those green energy companies that were funded by our taxpayer money that went bankrupt doesn't mean anything..

WUT?

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 8% of green companies that received stimulus money went bankrupt, 22% of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in charge went bankrupt:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-25-2012/picking-winners---losers?xrs=share_copy

Try again fam. 

Beat me to it, thank you. 

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

 

[blakep267]

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

the point was, Romney as a business leader isnt the greatest thing the world has ever seen.

 

[ninjahood]

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

the point was, Romney as a business leader isnt the greatest thing the world has ever seen.

WELL when you compare da success rate of a PRIVATE business VS a government that when it gets into debt can PRINT its way out of it OF COURSE its not gonna look as

impressive...

if private business was run like da united states it would've gone bankrupt ALONG TIME AGO.

 

[futuremd]

How you could look past Mitt Romney's record as a businessman and come to the conclusion that he'll do better for America is entirely beyond me

He had a 78% rate for profits at Bain, and I doubt you have any idea what PE is, but that is a pretty good success to failure ratio.... Couldn't you say the same for Obama's business record? Oh wait I forgot he has no experience at all in the economic area. I mean I guess those green energy companies that were funded by our taxpayer money that went bankrupt doesn't mean anything..

WUT?

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 8% of green companies that received stimulus money went bankrupt, 22% of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in charge went bankrupt:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-25-2012/picking-winners---losers?xrs=share_copy

Try again fam. 

Beat me to it, thank you. 

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

I'm not comparing the source of money. I'm comparing the falsification of data. 

But continue.

 

[ninjahood]

How you could look past Mitt Romney's record as a businessman and come to the conclusion that he'll do better for America is entirely beyond me

He had a 78% rate for profits at Bain, and I doubt you have any idea what PE is, but that is a pretty good success to failure ratio.... Couldn't you say the same for Obama's business record? Oh wait I forgot he has no experience at all in the economic area. I mean I guess those green energy companies that were funded by our taxpayer money that went bankrupt doesn't mean anything..

WUT?

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 8% of green companies that received stimulus money went bankrupt, 22% of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in charge went bankrupt:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-25-2012/picking-winners---losers?xrs=share_copy

Try again fam. 

Beat me to it, thank you. 

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

I'm not comparing the source of money. I'm comparing the falsification of data. 

But continue.

by not disclosing da source money is in itself a falsification of data, cuz da implied assumption is they're both playing by da same rules when they're OBVIOUSLY not.

da government doesn't have to worry about investing in BAD IDEAS because if da money is lost its no sweat to em, just chalk it up to deficit spending and keep it moving,

you think a private entity like bain captial can sustain da types of losses da US government can do when it doesnt have da unlimited tax payer income as well as unlimited loan

rates which are effectively at 0% because da fed can inflate and deflate da value of money at will?

this is why NT is horrible at political topics, ya only see 1 side of da argument, and render da GOP side's of da equation completely irrelevant.

 

[big j 33]

Romney said half the green energy companies that got bailout money went bankrupt.. that's untrue and that's what the link was showing. It was pretty easy to see that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Ninjahood is bout to get into it for Future for like the 100th time, dude isn't tired to getting that work

 

[ninjahood]

Romney said half the green energy companies that got bailout money went bankrupt.. that's untrue and that's what the link was showing. It was pretty easy to see that.

its STILL inaccurate information because that whole industry is depends on government tax breaks, if those companies were run on UNsubsidzed funds like bain captial

investments, da failure rate would be alot higher.

da fact of da matter is, there is NO demand for green jobs...

obama talks about wind and solar like its da next thing smoking

 

[cj863]

Ninjahood is bout to get into it for Future for think the 100th time, dude isn't tired to getting that work

 

[futuremd]

How you could look past Mitt Romney's record as a businessman and come to the conclusion that he'll do better for America is entirely beyond me

He had a 78% rate for profits at Bain, and I doubt you have any idea what PE is, but that is a pretty good success to failure ratio.... Couldn't you say the same for Obama's business record? Oh wait I forgot he has no experience at all in the economic area. I mean I guess those green energy companies that were funded by our taxpayer money that went bankrupt doesn't mean anything..

WUT?

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 8% of green companies that received stimulus money went bankrupt, 22% of companies Bain invested in while Romney was in charge went bankrupt:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-25-2012/picking-winners---losers?xrs=share_copy

Try again fam. 

Beat me to it, thank you. 

how you gonna compare government funds (which are tax payer funded) with private investment companies using they're OWN money?

this place is soo left its ridiculous.

I'm not comparing the source of money. I'm comparing the falsification of data. 

But continue.

by not disclosing da source money is in itself a falsification of data, cuz da implied assumption is they're both playing by da same rules when they're OBVIOUSLY not.

da government doesn't have to worry about investing in BAD IDEAS because if da money is lost its no sweat to em, just chalk it up to deficit spending and keep it moving,

you think a private entity like bain captial can sustain da types of losses da US government can do when it doesnt have da unlimited tax payer income as well as unlimited loan

rates which are effectively at 0% because da fed can inflate and deflate da value of money at will?

this is why NT is horrible at political topics, ya only see 1 side of da argument, and render da GOP side's of da equation completely irrelevant.

Investing in alternative energy is a bad idea? You mean the thing that major oil companies are currently throwing money at on the low and buying out patents to essentially the things that we're all going to be using anyways while throwing wrenches at competitors like Tesla so they can stay ahead of the curve to prepare for the inevitable decline of oil based markets? 

These companies already see the writing on the wall. They're just squeezing out the last dollar they can get out of oil before they start to ween us off the pampers and potty train us into alternative fuels and energy sources. You REALLY think Standard Oil (because lets be honest, it really still exists and never really "broke up") is going to give up on their massive and singular hold on the market?

But you GOTTA have that hemi...right? You know the only reason your engine makes that raucous noise is because its horrible inefficient right? But as long as your nuts are vibrating at the stop light thats all that matters because that sensory stimulation matters more than actually having some degree of sustainability. 

But again, this isn't about the source of income, which seems to matter to you...its about the fact that NOT 50% of companies failed. That was a lie. The truth is that EIGHT/8/OCHO PERCENT/% of those companies failed.

Its like we have oil for another 200 years. Thats like. FOREVER. DUH! Fungible resources? More like liberal brains are spongible...Amirite-lol?! 

Please proceed, Ninjahood. 

 

[futuremd]

Romney said half the green energy companies that got bailout money went bankrupt.. that's untrue and that's what the link was showing. It was pretty easy to see that.

its STILL inaccurate information because that whole industry is depends on government tax breaks, if those companies were run on UNsubsidzed funds like bain captial

investments, da failure rate would be alot higher.

da fact of da matter is, there is NO demand for green jobs...

obama talks about wind and solar like its da next thing smoking

One of these things is renewable.

Can you guess which one it is? 

 

[denni5themenace]

i mean no disrespect when i say this, but ive always been curious as to what ninjahood does for a living. he appears to be knowledgeable about a whole lot of topics. do you frequent other websites, read news articles in your down time, etc?

although i truthfully can't comment on the reliability of his or anyone else's evidence because i'm just trying to learn, he has his opinions and backs them up. i respect that.

 

[essential1]

i mean no disrespect when i say this, but ive always been curious as to what ninjahood does for a living. he appears to be knowledgeable about a whole lot of topics.

 

[captain charisma]

http://2012election.procon.org/ - I was shown this site by a friend. Basically, a break down of how each candidate feels towards the issues. Can anyone point me in the right direction towards any other websites such as this? I remember the 2008 thread had a break down of Obama and McCain in the original post.

I usually get my info from the Huffington Post if that matters.

Pro-Obama btw.

 

[rico x hood]

^^ http://www.onetheissues.org

 

[captain charisma]

^^ http://www.onetheissues.org

Thank you good sir.

 

[thunderchunk69]

when you say that your campaign wont be dictated by fact checkers, i cant rock with you.

i feel insulted when this guy blatantly lies and flip flops every other day on tv

it's like they're not even trying to seem honest.
at least give enough effort to pretend, Damn.

 

[ccastro02]

its STILL inaccurate information because that whole industry is depends on government tax breaks, if those companies were run on UNsubsidzed funds like bain captial

investments, da failure rate would be alot higher.

da fact of da matter is, there is NO demand for green jobs...

obama talks about wind and solar like its da next thing smoking

Ninjahood, you are seriously misinformed. As a recent graduate from stony brook with a bachelors of engineering in electrical engineering let me correct you, there are a swarm of jobs in the energy and communications industry. Solar, geo-thermal, wind, bio-fuel, infrared, ultraviolet, sound, vibration. There is so much demand in our industry it's a joke. Within a year of working for sharps solar energy department i went from an intern to a senior designer/ project manager at one of their corporate centers here in ny, with a salary increase of almost double. Green jobs are paying big bucks because demand is so high. Thanks to obama, solar is dirt cheap. One can install a 10kw system and only have pay about 8-7 grand out of pocket. Incentives and rebates takes care of the rest. Not to mention the 2-4 year payback.

Obama also brought back and made in to affect affect the energy policy that carter instilled that reagan later killed; which requires that a small percentage of every states' energy come from solar or wind. EVery year that number increases, and when states don't make quota they have to pay a MASSIVE fine every day it isn't met. As a result, the SREC market was born (read up). The SREc market is the exchange of Solar Renewable Energy Credits. When states don't meet quota, an alternative for them is to purchase renewable energy credits from homeowners and businesses who've installed solar panels on their home or business. States are able to apply this credit towards their quota. These credits can fetch big bucks in some states. A credit can be worth up too $600 for every megawatt produced.

Let's do the math. Assuming you install a 10kw system on your roof. Total cost of installation is about 34 grand. With a federal, state, and utility rebate, plus additional tax credits, you're looking at a out of pocket cost of 7-8 grand. Your panels are producing energy even when you're not using any, so by default it goes right back to the grid which means your local power utility is buying that excess electricity from you. But what about the srec? Say no more! A 10kw system produces energy at a rate of 10kw/ hr. A megawatt is a million watts. For every million watts produced, you've just earned yourself an srec. Say in a worst case scenario, you're only able to get 9 hours of sunlight; which is equivalent to 90kw a day. Assuming you produce 90kw of electricity a day, within two weeks you'd have produced a megawatt of energy, which in turn translates into an srec. You can now sell that srec to your state, and if you live in Massachusetts, they're worth about $600. That's $600 every two weeks!!!!

LMFAOO at your whole comment. Read up boy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_renewable_energy_certificate
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Sharp-Solar-Energy-Solutions-Group.html

Ohh, and if anyone is looking for a job at sharp as a solar project engineer, an add was posted a couple days ago:
http://www.campuscareercenter.com/full_jobs/1823437/Sharp_Solar/Solar_Sr_Project_Engineer_SI.html

Ninjahood, you're free to apply

EDIT: I will agree with you on one thing. That the renewable energy industry is heavily dependent on rebates and tax breaks. But than again so is oil. Real value of oil is about 18 bucks a gallon. The government subsidized the heck out of it so we only have to pay a mere 3.79 at the pump.

 

[futuremd]

its STILL inaccurate information because that whole industry is depends on government tax breaks, if those companies were run on UNsubsidzed funds like bain captial

investments, da failure rate would be alot higher.

da fact of da matter is, there is NO demand for green jobs...

obama talks about wind and solar like its da next thing smoking

Ninjahood, you are seriously misinformed. As a recent graduate from stony brook with a bachelors of engineering in electrical engineering let me correct you, there are a swarm of jobs in the energy and communications industry. Solar, geo-thermal, wind, bio-fuel, infrared, ultraviolet, sound, vibration. There is so much demand in our industry it's a joke. Within a year of working for sharps solar energy department i went from an intern to a senior designer/ project manager at one of their corporate centers here in ny, with a salary increase of almost double. Green jobs are paying big bucks because demand is so high. Thanks to obama, solar is dirt cheap. One can install a 10kw system and only have pay about 8-7 grand out of pocket. Incentives and rebates takes care of the rest. Not to mention the 2-4 year payback.

Obama also brought back and made in to affect affect the energy policy that carter instilled that reagan later killed; which requires that a small percentage of every states' energy come from solar or wind. EVery year that number increases, and when states don't make quota they have to pay a MASSIVE fine every day it isn't met. As a result, the SREC market was born (read up). The SREc market is the exchange of Solar Renewable Energy Credits. When states don't meet quota, an alternative for them is to purchase renewable energy credits from homeowners and businesses who've installed solar panels on their home or business. States are able to apply this credit towards their quota. These credits can fetch big bucks in some states. A credit can be worth up too $600 for every megawatt produced.

Let's do the math. Assuming you install a 10kw system on your roof. Total cost of installation is about 34 grand. With a federal, state, and utility rebate, plus additional tax credits, you're looking at a out of pocket cost of 7-8 grand. Your panels are producing energy even when you're not using any, so by default it goes right back to the grid which means your local power utility is buying that excess electricity from you. But what about the srec? Say no more! A 10kw system produces energy at a rate of 10kw/ hr. A megawatt is a million watts. For every million watts produced, you've just earned yourself an srec. Say in a worst case scenario, you're only able to get 9 hours of sunlight; which is equivalent to 90kw a day. Assuming you produce 90kw of electricity a day, within two weeks you'd have produced a megawatt of energy, which in turn translates into an srec. You can now sell that srec to your state, and if you live in Massachusetts, they're worth about $600. That's $600 every two weeks!!!!

LMFAOO at your whole comment. Read up boy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_renewable_energy_certificate
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Sharp-Solar-Energy-Solutions-Group.html

Ohh, and if anyone is looking for a job at sharp as a solar project engineer, an add was posted a couple days ago:
http://www.campuscareercenter.com/full_jobs/1823437/Sharp_Solar/Solar_Sr_Project_Engineer_SI.html

Ninjahood, you're free to apply

EDIT: I will agree with you on one thing. That the renewable energy industry is heavily dependent on rebates and tax breaks. But than again so is oil. Real value of oil is about 18 bucks a gallon. The government subsidized the heck out of it so we only have to pay a mere 3.79 at the pump.

I need to look into solar panels then. 

damn. 

 

[cj863]

Yea someone else on here mentioned they were about to install solar panels on there place, forget who it was. My econ professor has been raving about green energy and the potential for it and basically said the exact same thing ccastro said. I'm def looking forward to it

 

[Coupé It]

Ninjahood, you are seriously misinformed. As a recent graduate from stony brook with a bachelors of engineering in electrical engineering let me correct you, there are a swarm of jobs in the energy and communications industry. Solar, geo-thermal, wind, bio-fuel, infrared, ultraviolet, sound, vibration. There is so much demand in our industry it's a joke. Within a year of working for sharps solar energy department i went from an intern to a senior designer/ project manager at one of their corporate centers here in ny, with a salary increase of almost double. Green jobs are paying big bucks because demand is so high. Thanks to obama, solar is dirt cheap. One can install a 10kw system and only have pay about 8-7 grand out of pocket. Incentives and rebates takes care of the rest. Not to mention the 2-4 year payback.
Obama also brought back and made in to affect affect the energy policy that carter instilled that reagan later killed; which requires that a small percentage of every states' energy come from solar or wind. EVery year that number increases, and when states don't make quota they have to pay a MASSIVE fine every day it isn't met. As a result, the SREC market was born (read up). The SREc market is the exchange of Solar Renewable Energy Credits. When states don't meet quota, an alternative for them is to purchase renewable energy credits from homeowners and businesses who've installed solar panels on their home or business. States are able to apply this credit towards their quota. These credits can fetch big bucks in some states. A credit can be worth up too $600 for every megawatt produced.
Let's do the math. Assuming you install a 10kw system on your roof. Total cost of installation is about 34 grand. With a federal, state, and utility rebate, plus additional tax credits, you're looking at a out of pocket cost of 7-8 grand. Your panels are producing energy even when you're not using any, so by default it goes right back to the grid which means your local power utility is buying that excess electricity from you. But what about the srec? Say no more! A 10kw system produces energy at a rate of 10kw/ hr. A megawatt is a million watts. For every million watts produced, you've just earned yourself an srec. Say in a worst case scenario, you're only able to get 9 hours of sunlight; which is equivalent to 90kw a day. Assuming you produce 90kw of electricity a day, within two weeks you'd have produced a megawatt of energy, which in turn translates into an srec. You can now sell that srec to your state, and if you live in Massachusetts, they're worth about $600. That's $600 every two weeks!!!!
LMFAOO at your whole comment. Read up boy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_renewable_energy_certificate
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Sharp-Solar-Energy-Solutions-Group.html
Ohh, and if anyone is looking for a job at sharp as a solar project engineer, an add was posted a couple days ago:
http://www.campuscareercenter.com/full_jobs/1823437/Sharp_Solar/Solar_Sr_Project_Engineer_SI.html
Ninjahood, you're free to apply
EDIT: I will agree with you on one thing. That the renewable energy industry is heavily dependent on rebates and tax breaks. But than again so is oil. Real value of oil is about 18 bucks a gallon. The government subsidized the heck out of it so we only have to pay a mere 3.79 at the pump.

Ninjahood is cool but Imagine this dude trying to sell solar panels, Hahaha.

 

[ccastro02]

And the term by the way for this regulation is called the "Renewable portfolio standard" (RPS)

Ninjahood, read up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_portfolio_standard