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of course not, but a dumb inbred has a lot less power than the people they put into government.
But they're the ones who empower these folks. Not just the dumb inbred either. The regular joe schmoes of the working and middle class too. I don't trust them as much as I trust the Mitch McConnell's. They're all trying to uphold the same system.
 
Which goes back to one of my original points. We need to dismantle that system that gives their vote priority and flat out blocks other votes.
 
1. That bailout was indicative to this.

2. You want communism. I don't think that would work unless we somehow ended up in a Horizon Zero Dawn type of living. That's centuries of social programming you'd have to roll back on.

Full luxury, post scarcity communism is a ways off but I do believe that once the material conditions change, the social conditions can altered fairly quickly. If there is no capitalism and there’s a concerted effort to end white supremacy and patriarchy, it can be done and it can be done in less time than those social forces existed.
 
I’m not picking up what you’re putting down, you talking about the electoral college and all that bs that makes their vote hold more weight ?
I am trying to make to see that it not only about their votes having more weight. In fact that makes them look even worse.

They have a disportionate amount of electoral power, and they vote in dudes that do all the vile things in government

If poor white people decided tomorrow that they wanted social democracy and systemic justice for minorities, we would have it in short time

It is not just about the power they have (which is a problem) but how they chose to use it.

Arguments like you make kinda bury the fact these people have agency over their decisions, they have the power to change the course of America, they the routinely and knowingly chose white supremacy over justice.
 
I am trying to make to see that it not only about their votes having more weight. In fact that makes them look even worse.

They have a disportionate amount of electoral power, and they vote in dudes that do all the vile things in government

If poor white people decided tomorrow that they wanted social democracy and systemic justice for minorities, we would have it in short time

It is not just about the power they have (which is a problem) but how they chose to use it.

Arguments like you make kinda bury the fact these people have agency over their decisions, they have the power to change the course of America, they the routinely and knowingly chose white supremacy over justice.
Yeah I see what you’re saying now.

this is why the Republican Party is the “dumb” party, they trick all those types into voting for them which isn’t gonna help them at all but it sounds cool when they say “build the wall” because they tookrjeerbs.
 
I am trying to make to see that it not only about their votes having more weight. In fact that makes them look even worse.

They have a disportionate amount of electoral power, and they vote in dudes that do all the vile things in government

If poor white people decided tomorrow that they wanted social democracy and systemic justice for minorities, we would have it in short time

It is not just about the power they have (which is a problem) but how they chose to use it.

Arguments like you make kinda bury the fact these people have agency over their decisions, they have the power to change the course of America, they the routinely and knowingly chose white supremacy over justice.

I agree with you 💯 %. These voters need more voting power not less. DON'T TREAD ON ME BECAUSE BLUE LIVES MATTER MORE THAN EVER. DID YOU SEE THAT DISGUSTING VIDEO OF THE MICROWAVE NOT POPPING DA POPCORN? I DID AND IT CHANGED MY LIFE.
 
1. (1) NC. Yes. A micro AND a macro option would be lovely.

2. (1.) Eh

(2) This is why agreed w/ @MinnesotasChef's fairly good acknowledgedly. I get it, but I still think it's trash. You want to give me equal party business when you want I want to give me equal party business. I don't like it, and does put ppl in power b/c that's the man or woman you're running w/ that implements laws and regulations that I "have" to abide by. It's like telling an artist they have no creative control

3. Because contrary to popular belief not everything is black & white. Black & white views is literally why this system is so **** now. This country is literally built off of ****ty black & white views w/ on overwhelmingly outweighing the other. It's like the concept of counterbalance is obsolete.


All forms civilizations have appointed leaders, government is just another word for that. Anarchy could definitely work, & cause ppl to be more responsibility, imo. I mentioned b4 seeing ppl naturally coming up w/ a clear & coherent system when the lights went out on multiple occasions. It's a natural instinct thing. Anarchy doesn't mean go out to rape the nearest lamb & go w/o consequence if caught.
1. You want open primaries, fair enough. I mean I have a preference for a system but I don't care that much.

2. (1) I dunno what this is. And to be honest I don't feel i want to know.

(2) Dude there are general elections. You have a chance to vote for whomever you like in a general election. Joe Biden has no power to affect laws right now. If you don't want to vote for dude, then don't. If you want to vote for Bernie or Pete or someone else in the fall, write them in. A primary nominates people for an election, a general election hands them political power. You are not being frozen out of deciding who implements laws that you have to abide by. You are being frozen out of having a say in who a political party you don't want to be a member of, is gonna nominate for the election that matters.

(3) You are gonna have to flesh out this argument more. Because politically, the period of modern history we we saw the least about of partisanship and the parties were more ideological diverse minorities didn't Civil Rights. It was when one party committed to it giving them that, and the other committed to fighting against that, did the parties start to realign. Some things should be black and white. A negative peace for the sake of compromise always seems like a good idea to someone when their issue is not the one being ignored .

BTW, most recently the most successful third way political movements have need animated by white nationalism and white supremacy.

Some things should be black and white.


In regards to anarchy, I did not make the argument that we need a government just to maintain law and order. That is not even my made issue with it. Anarchist will **** on the current system (some of their arguments are extremely valid) but always act like the alternative (which as never worked) is so simple. Anarchy is not just the absence of government as we see it now, anarchy is the absence of all formal governing bodies. If your country has leaders that makes decisions for the people, by way of elections, war, witan, etc. it is not an anarchist state.

There is not model in another part of the world we can follow, no model from even recent history, not serious theory of how to get all the functions of government does from big and small. Like who builds the roads, so inspects the food, who maintains the bridges, who keeps the birds off of runways. Who protects workers? Who protects the consumers? Some will try to say communism is that answer but again a) Whereas that **** worked to good result? b)Where is the model for it c) A classless society still doesn't address the issue of who or what will be responsible for all the activities that formal government organizations do. And that is mainly speaking on the economic side, anarchy will do nothing to lessen white supremacy. In fact it will probably animate it even more.

And when this is brought up the anarchist reply is usually a criticism on the current system and not explanation of how the things they are advocating will work. I am not happy with the standard quo in many areas of society, damn nearly all. If I could snap the Infinity gauntlet to create my ideal socio economic system it would look much more like a socialist state. But for right now, I am not support a form of society who argument basically follows...

1. Overthrow current government
2. Install anarchist society
3......
4. Utopia
 
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I am trying to make to see that it not only about their votes having more weight. In fact that makes them look even worse.

They have a disportionate amount of electoral power, and they vote in dudes that do all the vile things in government

If poor white people decided tomorrow that they wanted social democracy and systemic justice for minorities, we would have it in short time

It is not just about the power they have (which is a problem) but how they chose to use it.

Arguments like you make kinda bury the fact these people have agency over their decisions, they have the power to change the course of America, they the routinely and knowingly chose white supremacy over justice.

Now you have me imagining what would happen if there were a soc dem, rural voting bloc and Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas sent five progressive Senators to Washington. One it would make people's lives better but it would have the added benefit of Conservatives demanding an end to the electoral college and the senate.
 
Now you have me imagining what would happen if there were a soc dem, rural voting bloc and Idaho, Wyoming, Montana and the Dakotas sent five progressive Senators to Washington. One it would make people's lives better but it would have the added benefit of Conservatives demanding an end to the electoral college and the senate.

Canada has universal healthcare because socialist farmers from the Midwest moved to Canada

they are out there for sure.
 
After a review, the Secret Service has found that they did in fact use pepper spray. They're still lying as the footage showed it clearly wasn't just one person.
 
Yeah I see what you’re saying now.

this is why the Republican Party is the “dumb” party, they trick all those types into voting for them which isn’t gonna help them at all but it sounds cool when they say “build the wall” because they tookrjeerbs.
Also you kinda need to stop attributing the voting decisions of Republicans to just stupidity. It is not just elites tricking poor stupid white people

Yes there are tons of racist idiots on the right. Since the GOP has turned anti-science so hard, I think it is safe to say they are beating the Dems for the moron vote.

And, yes, if the GOP lost lower educated white people and rural areas, they would not have a viable coalition to have power in America

However, there are a ton, millions of highly educated professional that are just racist and cruel and the idiot yelling outside a Trump rally. They are just better at practicing their racism in more socially acceptable ways

They are principals, engineers, teachers, college professors, middle managers, doctors, and work in high paying field like tech and finance. Tons of people in power that make decision on the margins that hurt marginalized groups.

A lot of smart people are putting a ton of thought and work into maintaining the system of white supremacy. They know they have poor white people in rural areas, they are working on radicalizing middle class and affluent white suburban dwellers suburban

While some Republicans tell poor white people that the Dems look down on them because they want them to go to college for cheap. There is another set of conservatives that what to make sure white kids are exposed to as much bad faith conservative thought on campus as possible. White kids going off to school and being exposed to lectures, events, and people that contradict all the racist rhetoric that has been fed to them for the past 18 years is a major threat to the conservative movement as it is currently structured.

So in short, there are tons of very smart racist and bigots out there.
 
For sure, i know there’s a ton of smart evil people. I just thought we were talking about poor white people voting.
I feel you

But Jeff schooled me, so I am tryna school you

He say you don't be listening when he spitting that real.

BTW, he says you need to quite that Playstation BS and cop a Series X in the fall.

AOC as already guaranteed me that Based Jesus Based Jesus is joining team Zbox this holiday season as well.
 
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Trump's greatest accomplishment as president was getting down this ramp in one piece. The music is a nice touch.



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I feel you

But Jeff schooled me, so I am tryna school you

He say you don't be listening when he spitting that real.

BTW, he says you need to quite that Playstation BS and cop a Series X in the fall.

AOC as already guaranteed me that Based Jesus Based Jesus is joining team Zbox this holiday season as well.

man jeff tries to be subtle when he kicks the controller off the couch. Like dude chill. I know your spoiled self wants and Xbox but I’m not buying one because the next gen is right around the corner. Smh.

Jeff is gonna have to chill though, as long as gran turismo is ps exclusive I’m gonna have a ps... I’m not really a “gamer” but there is certain games I like playing. I only hack vids in the winter.
 
Full luxury, post scarcity communism is a ways off but I do believe that once the material conditions change, the social conditions can altered fairly quickly. If there is no capitalism and there’s a concerted effort to end white supremacy and patriarchy, it can be done and it can be done in less time than those social forces existed.
But can the U.S. w/o capitalism anytime soon. It may not be as profitable, but it does seem to be at a all time high if that makes sense. White supremacy & capitalism go hand and hand, and I don't see the ppl profiting from it giving it up anytime soon. However, between da rona & this protest going on atm, it has exposed just how vulnerable capitalism is. The ppl have the power, it's just up to us to utilize it efficiently. Capitalism is a morally corrupt system to abide by.
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