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Biden and Jeff both knew you were wasting your time.
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Smh, that’s why I told jeff to pack his bags and go on the no malarkey tour then.
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Why can't independent voters vote for a primary candidates during the primary elections. Shouldn't unbiased voters be the must important ones?
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-Some states allow it. In fact for the Dem primary I think as much as half of them were open to unaffiliated voters
-Independent voters needs they are no affiliated with a party, it doesn't mean they are swing voters. Most independents have a strong party preference.
-IMO it is fair to make primary about party members picking their preferred candidate for a general race.
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1. Fortunately, I''m in an open state that allows your to vote for everything, except presidential. However, that doesn't make sense to me being that the local stuff affects me more... Well not more more, but it's closer to home.
2. I guess I'd be considered a liberal based on my views, but I'm open to listening & choosing other out of fairness. I don't think me nor anyone else should be pigeon held to a party in order to share our voice.
3. Eh, I think it's dense w/ overt hints of "you don't matter."
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You gotta pick a side, I like guns and peterbilts but hate racism so I guess that puts me on the liberal side. It is what it is. Being in the center gets nothing done.
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Fair enough.
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I think it’s wack too but that’s the world we live in with this two party trash. I’d rather we had no government but that’s never gonna happen.
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1. I am confused. What state do you live in? Are you saying that you can vote in primaries for local races but not the presidential candidate? Plus if local stuff matters more IMO, why does it not make sense for the system to be that way.
2. No one is denying you to share your voice on who gets elected, there is a general election for that.
You simultaneously want to not be affiliated with a party, yet want equal input into party business? Because remember, a primary just nominates people to run for office under the party banner and to get the official support of the party. It puts no one in power. It is about party business.
3. That makes no sense to me. There is a general election, they do makes appeals to unaffiliated voters. Your votes will matter in the election that decides who gets power, the really important part. So I don't see why it is such a big issue for a party to require you be a member to decide party business.
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Please tell me where in the world do you see a functioning anarchist state?
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Minneapolis a couple weeks ago. People will help and protect other people of need be. Most people are good I believe.
but yeah I get it, that’s never gonna happen and if it goes on long enough someone else is gonna come in and take over.
I’d be cool with the government if they weren’t so corrupt and overbearing parading around like a bunch of heros while they go around killing and extorting.
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I will never support anarchy for multiple reasons.
But one of the main reason is because I am black.
I need the state to be reorganized and reform so it can protect my black *** from white people. For it to stop being a force for racism, and instead be a countervailing force against it.
Fascist, conservative, centrist, liberal, socialist, communist. I don't trust white people to do right by minorities (especially black people) if left to their own accord.
Waxing poetic about anarchy is something white folk (left and right) like to dream about because they know if white supremacy gets to run wild in the anarchist state, it ain't coming for them.
But one of the main reason is because I am black.
I need the state to be reorganized and reform so it can protect my black *** from white people. For it to stop being a force for racism, and instead be a countervailing force against it.
Fascist, conservative, centrist, liberal, socialist, communist. I don't trust white people to do right by minorities (especially black people) if left to their own accord.
Waxing poetic about anarchy is something white folk (left and right) like to dream about because they know if white supremacy gets to run wild in the anarchist state, it ain't coming for them.
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I don’t trust rich white government to do right by anyone but themselves.
but yeah I feel you, I don’t really want anarchy. I just want a government that works for the people.
I also don’t think it’s as simple as just voting or whatever fairy tale they sell. Everyone doesn’t have a voice and you can’t just vote out the bad guys. This last month has proven we gotta step up our game if we want change however that may be.
but yeah I feel you, I don’t really want anarchy. I just want a government that works for the people.
I also don’t think it’s as simple as just voting or whatever fairy tale they sell. Everyone doesn’t have a voice and you can’t just vote out the bad guys. This last month has proven we gotta step up our game if we want change however that may be.
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Under capitalism, the state’s top priority will be violently protecting private property and upholding class relations. In that situation, the state needs a criminalized and hyper exploited class or classes of people. The state and capital benefit from differing levels of worker exploitation.
Ultimately, I want a stateless, classless society but I know that after ending capitalism, we’d still need a state for several generations. The state in a post capitalist society could make equality it’s top priority. It could deal with racial and gendered inequalities that remain after capitalism is ended. That, in addition making sure that no one worker co op or subset of workers recreated a bourgeois-proletariat social relation.
Ultimately, I want a stateless, classless society but I know that after ending capitalism, we’d still need a state for several generations. The state in a post capitalist society could make equality it’s top priority. It could deal with racial and gendered inequalities that remain after capitalism is ended. That, in addition making sure that no one worker co op or subset of workers recreated a bourgeois-proletariat social relation.
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1. (1) NC. Yes. A micro AND a macro option would be lovely.
2. (1.) Eh
(2) This is why agreed w/ @MinnesotasChef's fairly good acknowledgedly. I get it, but I still think it's trash. You want to give me equal party business when you want I want to give me equal party business. I don't like it, and does put ppl in power b/c that's the man or woman you're running w/ that implements laws and regulations that I "have" to abide by. It's like telling an artist they have no creative control
3. Because contrary to popular belief not everything is black & white. Black & white views is literally why this system is so **** now. This country is literally built off of ****** black & white views w/ on overwhelmingly outweighing the other. It's like the concept of counterbalance is obsolete.
All forms civilizations have appointed leaders, government is just another word for that. Anarchy could definitely work, & cause ppl to be more responsibility, imo. I mentioned b4 seeing ppl naturally coming up w/ a clear & coherent system when the lights went out on multiple occasions. It's a natural instinct thing. Anarchy doesn't mean go out to rape the nearest lamb & go w/o consequence if caught.
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-Oh? So majority of poor white people outchea for unity? Majority of middle class white people too?
In nearly every income bracket, white people this fall will vote for Trump. I clear white supremacist.
Are we forgetting that the period of the time in America where white workers shared in the economic prosperity with their bosses, faith in government was high, there was much less partisanship between the parties. And these negative peace was maintained on the backs of black people. White folk had agency over their decisions and most made the decision to vote in more conservative candidates to preserve the racial hierarchy.
It is not just a class issue.
-Fair enough
-No one is making the argument that you can get everything done by simply voting. However for protesters and activist to get their demands met, we need a government that is responsive to their concerns. You get that putting in work at the ballot box. Both are needed.
However the goal should be to get to a point where people do not feel their needs to be mass protest or riots to get their valid concerns met.
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1. That bailout was indicative to this.
2. You want communism. I don't think that would work unless we somehow ended up in a Horizon Zero Dawn type of living. That's centuries of social programming you'd have to roll back on.
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-Oh? So majority of poor white people outchea for unity? Majority of middle class white people too?
In nearly every income bracket, white people this fall will vote for Trump. I clear white supremacist.
Are we forgetting that the period of the time in America where white workers shared in the economic prosperity with their bosses, faith in government was high, there was much less partisanship between the parties. And these negative peace was maintained on the backs of black people. White folk had agency over their decisions and most made the decision to vote in more conservative candidates to preserve the racial hierarchy.
It is not just a class issue.
-Fair enough
-No one is making the argument that you can get everything done by simply voting. However for protesters and activist to get their demands met, we need a government that is responsive to their concerns. You get that putting in work at the ballot box. Both are needed.
However the goal should be to get to a point where people do not feel their needs to be mass protest or riots to get their valid concerns met.
no, all trump voters are racist. I’m not debating that.
Do you really think the government gives a single flying **** about protecting black people though? I don’t...
I don’t think it’s a class issue, it’s def a race issue but the government will never hold it’s self accountable until we light it on fire or stop paying it.
I don’t think people felt like riots and protests have got anything done in America for a long time. I feel like people just felt like “it is what is is” or something like that until recently. They realized they do have a voice by rioting and protesting.
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In principle, you should be registered as a member of a political party to pick its candidates.
In practice, it’s hard for many people to register or reregister as part of a different political party. Combine that with registration deadlines and there is a system in place designed to suppress the votes of people who have to move a lot, younger and poorer people.
In practice, it’s hard for many people to register or reregister as part of a different political party. Combine that with registration deadlines and there is a system in place designed to suppress the votes of people who have to move a lot, younger and poorer people.
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But we trust the poor white folks who vote against their interests economic interests every November to uphold white supremacy?
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But we trust the poor white folks who vote against their interests economic interests every November to uphold white supremacy?
of course not, but a dumb inbred has a lot less power than the people they put into government.
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I never said anything that came close to asserting it. I said the government needs to be change for them to be a force against racism.
I never claimed government will hold itself accountable. I said the exact opposite, people have to hold it accountable through different methods.
People have been systemically robbed by having a voice by design, and that needs to be rectified. It would be disgusting if in 50 years young black people feel they have to get to the street because that's the only viable option they feel they have left to them. Protest can and should always be part of society, but if people that want justice feel that they are helpless and unheard, and that's the only option, society is seriously malfunction.
How we elect people matters, how we legislate matters, how government is structured matters, but also who occupies government positions matters. For you or anyone to claim that government itself is the issue implies that no matter who you put in power, like real veto proof power, we won't see different results.
Like 10,000 AOC clones would govern in the same manner as 10,000 Ted Cruz clones.
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Please rethink what you are saying here
The people that can rob the bad actors of their power every 2 or 4 years, have less power than the people the hand power to.
Maybe it is time to realize poor white people have more agency over their lives than people will admit.
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I agree with all that.
the Ted Cruz clones will never let the AOC clones take power. They will cheat, suppress votes, etc etc.
the Ted Cruz clones will never let the AOC clones take power. They will cheat, suppress votes, etc etc.
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I’m not picking up what you’re putting down, you talking about the electoral college and all that bs that makes their vote hold more weight ?
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