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marikomorose · Jun 11, 2020

Already on the way :smokin

Support Black Women.

IATT · Jun 11, 2020

dwalk31

whywesteppin · Jun 11, 2020

storm2006 said:
As a matter of fact, I expect Frank Sobotka to win his District this year again once he gets an endorsement from our UNDEFEATED President-elect Donald J. Trump

Easy to do when Biff gives himself the Sports Almanac from the future.

Deleted member 42060 · Jun 11, 2020

IATT said:
Speech for this guy

Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020

Trump has repeatedly claimed he’s “the least racist person.” His history suggests otherwise.

www.vox.com

by this guy

Repentant racist says Stephen Miller fueled her hate

Katie McHugh admits she was already a racist when she went to work for Breitbart. But she says now-White House adviser Stephen Miller helped her fall to new depths of hate.

edition.cnn.com

in this location

Tulsa Race Massacre ‑ Facts, Photos, Coverup | HISTORY

During the Tulsa Race Massacre, a white mob attacked residents, homes and businesses in the predominantly Black Greenwood neighborhood of Tulsa, Oklahoma over 18 hours on May 31‑June 1, 1921. The event remains one of the worst incidents of racial violence in U.S. history.

www.history.com

On this date

9 things to know about the history of #Juneteenth

There's another Independence Day and it comes mid-June.

www.nbcnews.com

The first thing I thought when I saw this picture was, its a statue or mannequin :lol:

IATT · Jun 11, 2020

aepps20 · Jun 11, 2020

IATT said:

Video of Delk when he realizes his due process rights aren't respected by his President and his dominate the streets goons.

elpablo21 · Jun 11, 2020

Force with Compassion

So kneel on someone's neck for 4 minutes instead of 8?

storm2006 · Jun 12, 2020

IATT said:

Perfect example. Trump is going to make LIGHT WORK of something that has plagued the country for hundreds of years :pimp:

But really...that statement leads me to believe in a month or two that Trump will declare that bigotry and prejudice are gone in America. That’ll be something...

whywesteppin · Jun 12, 2020

storm2006 said:
Perfect example. Trump is going to make LIGHT WORK of something that has plagued the country for hundreds of years

But really...that statement leads me to believe in a month or two that Trump will declare that bigotry and prejudice are gone in America. That’ll be something...

This is why we elected him. He can work miracles and he is performing one right now for all to see. The Great Uniter. Exactly what we needed to heal this country after 8 years of divisiveness from Obumma.

aepps20 · Jun 12, 2020

Delk when he realizes his President fleeced him into selling his dignity for nothing.

rexanglorum · Jun 12, 2020

RustyShackleford said:
You probably be right. You are probably more reachable to Biden. Ok, so?

But like if Biden is such trash, saying you are better than him really is not a great defense. Also, like I'm I suppose to throw more shade at Biden for my criticism of things you say to be fair? That seems kinda ridiculous, the context in which I interact with Biden's problematic behavior is different than post in here. Also, I have been highly critical of Biden on many occasions

I mean you admitted to doing what I referenced, so I don't see how I am being unfair to you. Also, I have no idea which libertarian I hold in higher regard than you.

But anyway, all I did was laugh at a comment you made, and you got this defensive.

I don't want you to have to defend stuff that you didn't say so I'm speaking about the thread in general. It's tiresome to have to constantly work from a position that socialists are are, like conservatives, racist. By contrast liberals, or at least loyal members of the Democratic Party, are assumed to be good. More specifically, the general tone is that supporting Bernie Sanders was this terrible thing that must be atoned for. Sure, you can disagree with him and say that another candidate was more electable or had more detailed plans but no one piles on people who voted for Warren or Harris or Biden. It's Trump and Sanders supporters who are bad around here and it's tiresome.

I know that people will say that not wanting to post here is an act of privilege but we're not organizing here. I'm not leaving any comrades out to dry. This place is a hangout and it's really just not fun any more nor is there a whole lot more to learn here. I'd hang in here and be uncomfortable if there was much more to learn but through a dialectic, which has understandably offended a lot of people here, I have found the following,

Most people posting in here are in risk averse mode and I cannot blame you all. When the stakes are so high, it's easy to see a critique, from the left, as disunity and a threat that Trump will be President for another four years and that's a mortal threat to many here in a way it is not for me. I see that risk aversion, understandable as it is, as a death warrant for all of us. I don't see how that contradiction gets resolved at this point. I hope the people in the streets can change the course of history and the ability for some people to survive the next four years can be aligned with the ability of everyone to live through the next for decades.

IATT · Jun 12, 2020

A known racist standing up for people labeled as racist

RustyShackleford · Jun 12, 2020

rexanglorum said:
I don't want you to have to defend stuff that you didn't say so I'm speaking about the thread in general. It's tiresome to have to constantly work from a position that socialists are are, like conservatives, racist. By contrast liberals, or at least loyal members of the Democratic Party, are assumed to be good. More specifically, the general tone is that supporting Bernie Sanders was this terrible thing that must be atoned for. Sure, you can disagree with him and say that another candidate was more electable or had more detailed plans but no one piles on people who voted for Warren or Harris or Biden. It's Trump and Sanders supporters who are bad around here and it's tiresome.

I know that people will say that not wanting to post here is an act of privilege but we're not organizing here. I'm not leaving any comrades out to dry. This place is a hangout and it's really just not fun any more nor is there a whole lot more to learn here. I'd hang in here and be uncomfortable if there was much more to learn but through a dialectic, which has understandably offended a lot of people here, I have found the following,

Most people posting in here are in risk averse mode and I cannot blame you all. When the stakes are so high, it's easy to see a critique, from the left, as disunity and a threat that Trump will be President for another four years and that's a mortal threat to many here in a way it is not for me. I see that risk aversion, understandable as it is, as a death warrant for all of us. I don't see how that contradiction gets resolved at this point. I hope the people in the streets can change the course of history and the ability for some people to survive the next four years can be aligned with the ability of everyone to live through the next for decades.

Lawd.

First off, you will have to cite specific examples from the thread for me to buy that posters here operate from the position that socialist are racist. I have seen nothing close to that. Generally, posters here call out petulant behavior from Sanders supporters. They don't have an issue with the support for Bernie, but specific actions are done to support Bernie. There was a near consensus in here that, however, the primary shakes out, no matter the candidate, we rocking with it. Again, when that person was Sanders, with all his flaws, people were generally upbeat about it. For you to now spin it to painting most in here as risk-averse just because they didn't buy into a particular candidate is wild to me. People supported running candidates that were even less electable than Bernie Sanders. Warren, as a woman, is less "electable," Harris as a black woman even less so. Bernie Sanders was an old white man that made direct appeals to white centrist; he was the 2nd choice for most Biden voters; he was plenty electable. His campaign made that argument too. So I have the suspicion you are talking about Meth and me again. :lol:

Furthermore, let us look at the so-called "piling on." Sanders was a frontrunner, had a near-monopoly on the leftist/Marxist/socialist vote. So, of course, it is easier to interpret criticisms of his base as slights against people of a particular political ideology. However, they were not. People took issue with specific behaviors, not policy stances or ideologies. The rest of the candidate's coalitions were splits of liberal and centrist voters. However, to say that these voters were immune from criticism is flat wrong. Numerous posters here criticized midwestern white centrist and the candidates' coddling of these voters. Amy and Pete constantly mocked for only having a chance because the electorate was lily-white and regressive, to start the primary. Bloomberg voters were impaled; people were even upset at black people that supported him. While understanding their motivations, quite a few posters in here voiced displeasure at older black folk riding for Biden. So shade was not exclusively reserved for Sanders supporters. Whether it be in other online spaces, real life, or in this very thread, unfortunately, a lot of people observed behavior that upset them disproportionately from one coalition. They then used this thread to voice their displeasure.

However, it seems like you take most issue with not the petulant behavior that angered people, but instead with them voicing their displeasure too much. Again, that somehow for it to be valid, it must be proportional to the shade thrown at other groups; and anything short of that implies that the people making the complaint is somehow acting in bad faith. Sorry, but I am not sympathetic to this argument.

No one in here as come close to saying Sanders supporters need to atone for anything. People are generally saying that an implicit agreement was before the primary. Trump is the greatest threat, so no matter who comes out of it, everyone must support the nominee. Some people were okay with this agreement when they assumed the nominee would be Sanders; they were fine with talks of unity once they were getting their way. However, it didn't go that way, but folk still demand they keep their end of the bargain, it is interpreted by the other side as hostility. Even weirder, this is being done while Bernie himself is commending Biden for being more open to moving left than Clinton.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but my dude, I get the suspicion you are frustrated at the fact people can take swipes at Bernie supporters whenever they want with little pushback (i.e., socialist, Marxist, leftist), but you can't take swipes at black Biden voters with impunity. Because no one is going to defend ****** affluent white liberals or centrist white voters, but you know multiple people will take issue with you go after the older black vote. That is the real tension there. Your choice of words and the charge being made against this thread leads me to believe that you are not all the way forthcoming with your actual grievance.

Now I could be off the mark, but I have noticed that when you make attacks against liberals, you paint the side you are on (leftist, Marxist, etc.) as the side suffering and marginalized. So who has power is central to the framing of your argument. You can't go after a specific group of Biden voters because people (mainly me) will break the class framing of your argument and point of the racial power dynamics at play; that you are on the side of the powerful, not powerless. That either leaves you to list the other marginalized groups that Sanders won in those few primaries, or throw up your hands in frustration and say people are calling you a racist.

I could be entirely off base, but I am just trying to make sense of where all this is coming from.

Tonight

aepps20 and I took light jabs at you as a joke; there was no malice behind it. It wasn't because you were a socialist; it wasn't because we think you are a racist; no one accused your post as a threat to unity. I can't speak for aepps, but it was mainly to joke fun at you seizing the opportunity are ranting about the same thing again. Hell, I addressed your comments in a separate post, yet you focus on some perceived slight.

Instead of taking it in stride, you took offense, and you say this thread is getting tiresome, the hangout spot is not fun anymore, there is not much left to learn. Rex, Rex, Rex, while I truly think it is unfortunate, you feel that way, srs. I must say you are not the most sympathetic character, my dude. You show little regard for how tiresome, unfun, or noneducational your post might be when you want to get something off your chest. Especially about liberals. Which is cool, which is your right, but like 95% of the thread lets you rock, it is usually me that calls you out. So if you're actually talking about my behavior, you should go ahead and call it out. Because I feel most posters in here have not done what you accused the thread of being "generally" about. Again I am just trying to make sense of where you are coming from.

If you chose to stay in the thread or leave it, that is up to you. Do what you think is best for you. All I ask is you be honest about the reason why, because this isn't it famb.

Mister Meaner · Jun 12, 2020

Instead of reparations, how about giving black Americans a bigger voice in the voting booth by agreed upon white American voter suppresion for a fixed amount of time? To what degree of suppression, I’ll let the experts decide, but that leg up white America has has since day 1 isn’t insurmountable. The only problem is that for this to work, we’d need a couple generations imo, at least. This country was built on the backs of black Americans and continues to be propped up by them.

I had this queued up last night before seeing that delker carlson video about they didn’t build this country. That privilege blinding as a ************.