***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Based Jesus]

Why do italians hold this grandiose regard for CC. He didnt even do what historians say he did in regards to “discovering” civilizations. **** that already existed And did not ask for his help.

they swear he was equivalent of the internet,making the World smaller and connecting hemispheres, somehow “saving” the indigenous population.

**** him and his crew

Italian-Americans. Italians don't give a **** about him. It has to do with Italian immigrants striving to achieve equal status in America.

 

[rexanglorum]

Ok fine.

But in your post you directly mention the man and his campaign. Seems like your are airing your grievances once again.

Secondly, your support for Bernie for the past couple of years was not strictly some "he is a means to an end" steez. You defend him over and over whenever someone brought up the problematic **** he would say . So it is funny when you say him being against defunding the police was the thing that made turn on him, because anyone really paying attention to dude could probably have guessed that was the stance he would take.

I haven't turned on him so much as the prospect of direct action makes electoral politics less central. As a result, I don't feel as obligated to defend my candidate of choice.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Fair enough

 

[-Red-]

-Red- right now...

 

[aepps20]

There are deep, still unresolved contradictions within the Democratic coalition. There's a reason why Bernie was the runner up twice and why AOC will likely finish in first or second place in 2024 if she runs. The conventional narrative e is that Bernie's base of support were affluent college kids which ignores the diversity in his coalition. We won with Asians, younger black people, Muslims, Native Americans and Latinos, especially Chicanos.

It's funny how in 2012, when the narrative was that Latinos clinched Obama's reelection, all the liberal pundits were trilling and tropicalizing at the mere mention of Latino voters. In 2012, the mostly white, liberal punditry practically started salsa dancing in their chairs whenever there was a graphic of Obama's share of Latino voters. Now, the media act like the only PoC in America are older black folks.

Deep down, the liberal establishment: the media, party insiders and most elected Democrats, think that voting for Bernie was a bad thing and people and groups that supported Bernie need to atone for what they did. That atonement is voting for Biden in exchange for nothing material. As a result, we have this game of chicken where Biden antagonizes every group that didn't support him. Hell, he antagonizes black people, a bloc that did support him. Basically he antagonizes every democratic constituency that is older, white and affluent.

Because the prospect of seeing Trump and the MAGA hogs melt down after losing is so enticing, Biden likely will win and there should be strong down ballot effects. While beating Trump is a pressing matter right now, I am worried that the liberal elite will take a massive anti-Trump coalitions support as validation for their "tough love" approach. That is scary because beating Trump and securing Democratic majorities may not amount to much if Biden and the Democrats govern like they have campaigned, in a manner contemptuous of any one even vaguely left.

As a result, we have to keep marching, protesting, try to organize as many workers as we can, change the terrain. Vote out Trump, keep fighting in the streets to force Trump out and when Biden and a Democratic majority take power, keep on marching until we have, at minimum, major changes to the rules. we need rule changes that can allow constituencies, which supported Obama, to flex there numerical superiority and get meaningful changes without having to fight for every thing in the streets and hope that enough moderate Republicans allow us to have a little power.

So for the next 12 months, we'll have to shove Biden over that finish line (all while he calls us losers, basement dwellers, calls us border jumpers, aligns us with the Chinese state, mocks our parents for owning liquor stores and not speaking perfect English, and throwing fake AAVE at us) with and then shove him into signing a new voting rights act and hopefully Statehood for DC, PR and maybe the breakup of California and, of course, packing those courts.

 

[RustyShackleford]

-Red- pulling up to the cookout with his plus-one, looking for rexanglorum and deuce king like...

 

[Based Jesus]

Spoilers!

 

[-Red-]

Spoilers!

I'm gonna assume this is some kind of sick joke...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yesterday stuntman mike wrote about some spoilers for HBO's Watchmen

I got on him for that, so dude probably just poking fun at me now for technically spoling parts of the Wire

 

[rexanglorum]

So lets talk about the guy who did get nominated, how does he win without major Latino support? When your major selling point is electibility and reassembling the Obama coalition, you cannot do it without super majorities among Latinos.

 

[rexanglorum]

I'm glad that you too can see that Joe Biden has a long history of talking down to PoC and it doesn't look like it's changing any time soon.

 

[RustyShackleford]

So lets talk about the guy who did get nominated, how does he win without major Latino support? When your major selling point is electibility and reassembling the Obama coalition, you cannot do it without super majorities among Latinos.

Famb you doing too much off of one poll

-First Biden will win Latino by a wide margin

-Second going by exiting polling Trump won anywhere from 28-34 percent of Latino voters. His increased polling could be because he is retaining voters and they have decided earlier (or are more forthcoming to pollsters)

-The poll doesn't correlate with the fact Biden is polling above Clinton in three Latino heavy states like AZ, TX, and FL.

Let someone point to Biden's strength in the polls and your would be ranting about the liberal establishments repeating the mistakes of 2016. And one poll not meaning much. And you are shaping the electibilty argument in a way that makes it easier to attack.

We all know if one part of the Dem coalition is suppressed or apathetic, it strengthens Trump's electoral college advantage and increases his chances of winning. No one argues otherwise

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm glad that you too can see that Joe Biden has a long history of talking down to PoC and it doesn't look like it's changing any time soon.

Bruh, the lack of self awareness here

 

[Based Jesus]

I was joking but I have also not finished The Wire

 

[rexanglorum]

Bruh, the lack of self awareness here

I suppose I should be flattered that you hold me to a higher standard than a major Party nominee.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I suppose I should be flattered that you hold me to a higher standard than a major Party nominee.

Be whatever you want famb

I don't hold you to a higher standard that Biden

I think it is ****** when affluent white people (hell white people in general) talk down to minorities, no matter their political leanings or position.

Maybe you should too

 

[Nereyda Vuelve Por Dios]

biden will win the hispanic vote becuase, even though many of us are self hating buffoons, Trumps mistreatment of illegal children and the cage stuff has really hindered his pull towards those affluent Hispanic who think bout they pockets only.

plus trump a fake christian. And we hate hate fake christians.

 

[rexanglorum]

We've reached a point where current libertarians, who denounce Trump, are held in higher regard than former libertarians who denounce Trump.

 

[RustyShackleford]

We've reached a point where current libertarians, who denounce Trump, are held in higher regard than former libertarians who denounce Trump.

I am not talking about your time as a libertarian

In March of 2020, you as a socialist, decided to talk down on black people because they didn't vote for your preferred candidate

Member

 

[rexanglorum]

I am not talking about your time as a libertarian

In March of 2020, you as a socialist, decided to talk down on black people because they didn't vote for your preferred candidate

Member

Even more recently, Biden said that cops should shot people in the leg and you seem pretty unfazed.

Also, you changed my mind on the issue of black voters who voted for Biden. If you had face time with Biden I doubt you'd change his mind on anything.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Even more recently, Biden said that cops should shot people in the leg and you seem pretty unfazed.

Also, you changed my mind on the issue of black voters who voted for Biden. If you had face time with Biden I doubt you'd change his mind on anything.

You probably be right. You are probably more reachable to Biden. Ok, so?

But like if Biden is such trash, saying you are better than him really is not a great defense. Also, like I'm I suppose to throw more shade at Biden for my criticism of things you say to be fair? That seems kinda ridiculous, the context in which I interact with Biden's problematic behavior is different than post in here. Also, I have been highly critical of Biden on many occasions

I mean you admitted to doing what I referenced, so I don't see how I am being unfair to you. Also, I have no idea which libertarian I hold in higher regard than you.

But anyway, all I did was laugh at a comment you made, and you got this defensive.

 

[addict4sneakers]

I was joking but I have also not finished The Wire

 

[whywesteppin]

There are two kinds of people in the world: 1) Those who have never watched the Wire, and

2) Libbie scum

I was going to give the show a chance when I heard a Christian runs for mayor. But turns out he was Catholic. That's a hard 'no' for me.

Then I heard this Catholic mayor also has a Celtic rock band. And I'm thinking, "hey, Boston Celtics have one of the most racist fan bases in the league (apologies to the Utah Jazz), so maybe he's not too bad." But then I find out it's Celtic with a hard 'C'.

Then I hear there's this cool character who goes around with a shotgun randomly shooting thugs and drug dealers as he pleases. And I'm like, "Maybe this show ain't so bad." But then, and I kid you out, it turns out this Omar character is not a cop! That's not cool at all.

 

[storm2006]

I was joking but I have also not finished The Wire

Typical LIBBIE behavior. Low energy, take your good ole time and don’t finish the job just like Barry Whosane OBUMMER. It took him eight years to do what Trump did in just his first three years.

Barry needed to watch all five seasons to finish The Wire and Trump finished it in two. The Docks were all he needed to see to know how that story ended. As a matter of fact, I expect Frank Sobotka to win his District this year again once he gets an endorsement from our UNDEFEATED President-elect Donald J. Trump

 

[IATT]