***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[IATT]

 

[rexanglorum]

It’s all there in the Federalist Papers, our system is designed to be undemocratic, oligarchic and unreformable. While there is work to be done within the existing framework, we need revolutionary actions outside the framework.

If American economic inequality, institutionalized white supremacy, imperialism and mass incarceration were not strong enough signals for revolution, perhaps the President’s brazen lawless will be such a signal.

 

[boris]

 

[rexanglorum]

in 2008, the primary runner up was Hillary Clinton. 75% of her supporters voted for Obama in the general.

In 2016, Bernie was the runner up. 83% of his supporters voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.

In 2016, the vast majority of Sanders supporters agreed that Hillary Clinton won the primary. We didn’t like the outcome but we saw it as legitimate. More people voted for Clinton than Sanders in the primaries.

In 2020, should Bernie get the most votes and he is not the nominee. Most of us will not vote for a the Democratic nominee. If Bernie loses fair and square, in the field, most of us Bernie supporters will vote for the Dem nominee.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I know of Tim Scott, but how many minorities are there exactly, in total, repping the Pigs in congress? If anyone knows

 

[deleted]

Reminds me of children who would rather starve themselves than eat anything other than pizza and french fries

 

[dwalk31]

In 2020, should Bernie get the most votes and he is not the nominee. Most of us will not vote for a the Democratic nominee.

That’s fair. But you know there’s no way that Bernie wins the primary. His ideas are too radical for the DNC. It appears they’d even let Bloomberg win before Bernie.

 

[IATT]

We really in the dumbest timeline

 

[IATT]

dwalk31 really our chere ready to strap on the cape most days of the week for this fool

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

Bernie Sanders Pledges Legal Marijuana In All 50 States On Day One As President

Bernie Sanders Pledges Legal Marijuana In All 50 States On Day One As President

The 2020 Democratic candidate also spoke about the need to end cannabis prohibition in a way that helps communities harmed by the drug war.

www.forbes.com

 

[heelsandeers]

in 2008, the primary runner up was Hillary Clinton. 75% of her supporters voted for Obama in the general.

In 2016, Bernie was the runner up. 83% of his supporters voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.

in 2008 Obama wasn’t running against a Republican willing to burn our democracy to the ground for personal gain

and I think this tweet has been posted in here 5 times already. And yet...



the Cooperative Congressional Election Study surveyed 50,000+ people. A typical poll surveys 800-1,500 people. 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump in the general election - 16% in PA, 9% in WI, and 8% in MI

 

[Wargames]

Bernie Sanders Pledges Legal Marijuana In All 50 States On Day One As President

Bernie Sanders Pledges Legal Marijuana In All 50 States On Day One As President

The 2020 Democratic candidate also spoke about the need to end cannabis prohibition in a way that helps communities harmed by the drug war.

www.forbes.com

Not a fan of this, I want legal weed, but they got to figure out how to roll it out to make sure it doesn't cause a societal detriment. Like open container laws, likely a ban of smoking near schools and hospitals, maintaining DUI laws, etc. It's a good idea that has to be beta tested...... sigh I hope the rest of the field let him go on the ledge alone on this.

 

[dwalk31]

Not a fan of this, I want legal weed, but they got to figure out how to roll it out to make sure it doesn't cause a societal detriment. Like open container laws, likely a ban of smoking near schools and hospitals, maintaining DUI laws, etc. It's a good idea that has to be beta tested...... sigh I hope the rest of the field let him go on the ledge alone on this.

Hopefully he isn't suggesting some unrestricted legalization. DUI is a big potential issue and since it is difficult to really test, it is going to take a while before it can be adequately regulated.

Denver seems to be an okay example.

 

[noskey]

Bernie will not be elected president by these United States. I like the man and his positions, he's my second choice this cycle. But there's too much evidence out there that a self described Democratic Socialist will not gather the votes needed in swing states to defeat the extremist right media machine. I wish we lived in a timeline where everybody spent just a few minutes to understand what democratic socialism is, and to separate it from the archaic fears of sOcIaLiSm to unseat Trump, but we don't. Lord knows we need the low information voters to come into November with no hesitation of voting (D) on their ballot, and unfortunately Bernie carries baggage that might give them pause.

So when DWalk comes in here posting all these pro Bernie articles or snippets, everyone needs to ask themselves, why is a self described conservative, prone to fits of trolling and fire starting, advocating SO hard for the Bern? What's his angle and end game by posting pro-Democratic articles when Sanders' positions would harm the one thing he values over all else? How would Dwalk benefit from Sanders being the nominee??

 

[boris]

In 2020, should Bernie get the most votes and he is not the nominee. Most of us will not vote for a the Democratic nominee.

I’m assuming when you say “us” you’re including yourself in this group?

 

[gry60]

in 2008 Obama wasn’t running against a Republican willing to burn our democracy to the ground for personal gain

QFE

rexanglorum , what's the plan if Bernie is not nominated and Trump wins a second term?

So when DWalk comes in here posting all these pro Bernie articles or snippets, everyone needs to ask themselves, why is a self described conservative, prone to fits of trolling and fire starting, advocating SO hard for the Bern? What's his angle and end game by posting pro-Democratic articles when Sanders' positions would harm the one thing he values over all else? How would Dwalk benefit from Sanders being the nominee??

This too. Notice that whenever the GOP power brokers mention Democratic candidates, they don't sound scared of Bernie. They have 40-50 years of anti-communist propaganda to build their anti-Bernie messaging on. They're prepared.

Warren on the other hand, she used to be a GOPer, so I trust her more than anyone else to know how to speak to those who disagree with her policies to make them come to her side.

And she already said she ain't about the post-Bush era "let bygones be bygones" BS.

 

[dwalk31]

QFE

rexanglorum , what's the plan if Bernie is not nominated and Trump wins a second term?


This too. Notice that whenever the GOP power brokers mention Democratic candidates, they don't sound scared of Bernie. They have 40-50 years of anti-communist propaganda to build their anti-Bernie messaging on. They're prepared.

Warren on the other hand, she used to be a GOPer, so I trust her more than anyone else to know how to speak to those who disagree with her policies to make them come to her side.

And she already said she ain't about the post-Bush era "let bygones be bygones" BS.

Ironically, these were the arguments against Bernie last time... and Hillary was the nominee and lost...

 

[RustyShackleford]

No one should take DWalk's Bernie steez serious for a couple reasons:

1. Trump and conservative operatives plan is to fan the flames of stuff being "rigged" against Bernie to inflame his supporters in case he loses. You can bet money Russia has been doing some digging trying to find some "evidence" they can leak during the convention if Bernie loses on the second ballot due to Superdelegates. So Dwalk is just regurgitating a GOP strategy.

2. Trump probably knows it is a two horse race, and thinks Bernie gives him the best chance at reelection. Sure Bernie brings unique challenges for Trump but it is clear the GOP is not scared of dude, because him being on the ballot opens up opportunities. So Dwalk wants Bernie because Trump wants Bernie

3. Probably the most important reason, he knows that there is friction in this thread on the Bernie issue, so he is just trying to fan the flames. He says something positive about Bernie, someone else says something negative, and the Bernie supporters reaction to it. Dude is just low key trolling us.

 

[heelsandeers]

Yeah.... right-wing media, GOP, Trump, Russia, etc. have yet to really go negative on Bernie. The day they do his negatives skyrocket

I can already picture the "Iran-loving socialist" ads

 

[aepps20]

Dwalk supported Roy Moore and didn't blink. Remember that when debating him.

 

[Belgium]

The NPR journalist was removed after Pompeo berated an other NPR reporter during an interview.
After repeatedly lying to the reporter about supposedly defending all his State Dept employees, Pompeo grew angry at the reporter's repeated question along the lines of 'respectfully sir, when have you ever defended Ambassador Yovanovitch?'
In the aftermath, Pompeo lied once more by claiming that the reporter lied to him about the terms of the interview. Emails confirmed that she did not.
President Trump praised Pompeo for berating the reporter who dared to question Pompeo's repeated lying. Pompeo now says the decision to block an NPR reporter from traveling with him afterwards sets a perfect message.

 

[superblytrife]

At this point all I can ask is this: left-leaning white people—please vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

Us black and brown folk know that should Trump win again, that you probably won’t be affected by another 4 years of this administration. We get it. The flip side is that we will be affected by it. Maybe not personally, but somewhere and at sometime, a minority will feel the impact of having a raging bigot at the helm of our country. The same could be said for other minorities, whether that be LGBTQ or non-Christian, or simply just not white. These are facts.

If you say “black lives matter”, do us a solid and vote for the candidate who will most reflect that thinking in their policies. If you really care about the future of our planet (ya know, the one your kid’s kids will have to deal with), do us all a favor and vote for the candidate who will take action to protect our planet. If you truly care about family separation at the border, please vote for the candidate who will put an end to that abhorrent policy.

Any other action on your part clearly signals that you don’t really care about the things you champion. Which I guess wouldn’t be a shocker, but please do the right thing. Think about it being bigger than your white life, please.

Thanks.

 

[obeahmyal7]

At this point all I can ask is this: left-leaning white people—please vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

Us black and brown folk know that should Trump win again, that you probably won’t be affected by another 4 years of this administration. We get it. The flip side is that we will be affected by it. Maybe not personally, but somewhere and at sometime, a minority will feel the impact of having a raging bigot at the helm of our country. The same could be said for other minorities, whether that be LGBTQ or non-Christian, or simply just not white. These are facts.

If you say “black lives matter”, do us a solid and vote for the candidate who will most reflect that thinking in their policies. If you really care about the future of our planet (ya know, the one your kid’s kids will have to deal with), do us all a favor and vote for the candidate who will take action to protect our planet. If you truly care about family separation at the border, please vote for the candidate who will put an end to that abhorrent policy.

Any other action on your part clearly signals that you don’t really care about the things you champion. Which I guess wouldn’t be a shocker, but please do the right thing. Think about it being bigger than your white life, please.

Thanks.

100. And let's carry the same message to our fathers and brothers, some of whom have and might flirt with a 3rd party candidate.

 

[rexanglorum]

in 2008 Obama wasn’t running against a Republican willing to burn our democracy to the ground for personal gain

and I think this tweet has been posted in here 5 times already. And yet...



the Cooperative Congressional Election Study surveyed 50,000+ people. A typical poll surveys 800-1,500 people. 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump in the general election - 16% in PA, 9% in WI, and 8% in MI

Why do liberals have the compulsion to retroactively like past GOP and Presidents abd candidates?

The GOP has been a white supremacist and kleptocratic party for decades. In 2008, we had a very ill man running for President and a math addled, Armageddonist as VP.

Ever Republican President and potential is demonic, 2008 was no exception and 25% of Hillary supporters voted for that GOP ticket.

I’m assuming when you say “us” you’re including yourself in this group?

Yes

QFE

rexanglorum , what's the plan if Bernie is not nominated and Trump wins a second term?


This too. Notice that whenever the GOP power brokers mention Democratic candidates, they don't sound scared of Bernie. They have 40-50 years of anti-communist propaganda to build their anti-Bernie messaging on. They're prepared.

Warren on the other hand, she used to be a GOPer, so I trust her more than anyone else to know how to speak to those who disagree with her policies to make them come to her side.

And she already said she ain't about the post-Bush era "let bygones be bygones" BS.

The answer to your first question is stockpile canned food, bullets and most important keep building networks of solidarity and labor militancy. Our only remaining hole in the face of on going and looming economic and ecological crises is to directly confront capital.