***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[aepps20]

I tend to think turnout will increase in 2020 (black, young, and overall) in states that matter with either Biden or Warren, which is why I'm not overly concerned with either (and probably overly optimistic on Dems chances)

You could argue that turnout would increase more so with Warren and I wouldn't disagree. The only concern I have on her is how the politics of M4A plays out in the Midwest.

IMO, all Warren has to do to alleviate that fear is to say she will allow citizens to keep their private insurance and is starting on a path towards a public option that will eventually be available to all citizens (something that also has a more realistic chance of passing the senate)

I understand and I hope Lizzie pivots away from M4A to a more possible solution. If the trade wars that are hurting the midwest aren't enough for them, I don't know what to say. Trump is a liar and a scumbag.

 

[IATT]

 

[Based Jesus]

Why do people even want to keep private insurance? So they can be denied coverage when they need it most after paying 1000s of dollars to the company? America is so ******* weird.

 

[aepps20]

Why do people even want to keep private insurance? So they can be denied coverage when they need it most after paying 1000s of dollars to the company? America is so ****ing weird.

Because in Waltham, where I happen to be from, we don't need Libs telling us how to live. Mikey made it through hard work so why can't I. #WALTHAMSTANDUP

 

[IATT]

Why do people even want to keep private insurance? So they can be denied coverage when they need it most after paying 1000s of dollars to the company? America is so ****ing weird.

and the sad thing, a decent amount of folks got a horror story involving insurance and the headaches that come with it

 

[IATT]

 

[aepps20]

What's amazing is how the Waltham glow up pictures for the Florida Senator turned out. AMAZING. He looks HANDSOME in the black and white Waltham cut.

 

[aepps20]

WE'RE NUMBER 1. OUR PRESIDENT ELECT BROUGHT US BAAAAAACK.

 

[heelsandeers]

Why do people even want to keep private insurance? So they can be denied coverage when they need it most after paying 1000s of dollars to the company? America is so ****ing weird.

private insurance companies have done a good job convincing the masses that they are the best option. It's also probably good to remember that unions are unlikely to be wild about M4A, as it would render worthless a big part of the union's negotiated compensation package (big Dem voting blocks in PA, MI, WI)

You can give people more options but when you start talking about taking things away, restricting options, etc., people get scared. Americans are extremely loss-averse and distrustful of government. The latter is the result of right-wing propaganda perhaps but the former seems to be an outgrowth of American culture

Warren should be looking at Obama's 2008 run. He had a signature idea (health care) but it was less a "plan" than a set of general propositions. Meanwhile, his campaign excelled in the stuff of winning campaigns: high, inspiring rhetoric

 

[RustyShackleford]

Dems should asprie more to Obama's 2012 campaign imo. I think that message would reasonate more.

Even Obama himself said he wouldn't run a campaign like he ran in 2008 if he was running today.

Plus no Dem is skilled enough, or face the same conditions, to pull of that kind of campaign.

-Anyway, Running on the Public option is smarter for multiple reasons than running on M4A.

 

[getback]

Why do people even want to keep private insurance? So they can be denied coverage when they need it most after paying 1000s of dollars to the company? America is so ****ing weird.

The funniest/saddest part is that it negatively impacts probably 99% of the MAGA buffoons, yet they're still gung ho Trump. You could literally give them a power point presentation full of charts explaining why universal health care would benefit them and they would just keep angrily swinging their tiki torches.

 

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[aepps20]

The funniest/saddest part is that it negatively impacts probably 99% of the MAGA buffoons, yet they're still gung ho Trump. You could literally give them a power point presentation full of charts explaining why universal health care would benefit them and they would just keep angrily swinging their tiki torches.

Obummer was a disaster so anything about how Libbie ideas will help me is just disgusting conjecture and innuendo.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[rexanglorum]

Like is said before Bolivia is more complicated than many make it out to be.

It seems some think that since people took issue with Evo's power grab, that automatically means they support the right wing's power grab. Taking a side on what is happening in Bolivia is just picking which destruction of democracy you are more comfortable with.

People should really start quoting these liberals they are calling out.

It's not complicated.

A left wing government in Latin America uses natural resources to benefit poor/indigenous people. The military installed a right wing government to make sure that those natural resources flow cheaply to businesses in the global north.

This is as generic of a coup that you can get. The only twist is that the resource in question is not petroleum. Instead, the resource in question is lithium which powers Tesla and iPhones and therefore a lot of liberals in the global north approve of this.

Obviously there is complexities in the political situation in Bolivia but it doesn't change the salient fact that the military intervened and installed a right wing government. In every country where there is a coup, there is always domestic opposition to the left wing leader who gets deposed. This is to be expected, no country has perfectly clean elections and 100% support for its leadership. If 2019 in Bolivia is not a coup then neither is Iran in 1953 nor is Chile in 1973.

One more thing, elections are secondary to who controls the resources when we are assessing how democratic a country is. If there is choice between perfect elections but a few people own all of the wealth or a country with imperfect elections but the people control the country's wealth, I'd take the second option.

Evo might have been degrading elections in Bolvia but he most certainly was degrading the Oligarchy and centuries of colonial extraction and white supremacy in Bolivia and that is why the power brokers in Washington, Langley and Tesla's boardroom decided that he needed to go.

 

[aepps20]

Were those number taken before Coal Gang released our statement? NO COALUSION, NOT GUILTY, NOT QUID PRO QUO, NO CHANCE.

 

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[RustyShackleford]

It's not complicated.

A left wing government in Latin America uses natural resources to benefit poor/indigenous people. The military installed a right wing government to make sure that those natural resources flow cheaply to businesses in the global north.

This is as generic of a coup that you can get. The only twist is that the resource in question is not petroleum. Instead, the resource in question is lithium which powers Tesla and iPhones and therefore a lot of liberals in the global north approve of this.

Obviously there is complexities in the political situation in Bolivia but it doesn't change the salient fact that the military intervened and installed a right wing government. In every country where there is a coup, there is always domestic opposition to the left wing leader who gets deposed. This is to be expected, no country has perfectly clean elections and 100% support for its leadership. If 2019 in Bolivia is not a coup then neither is Iran in 1953 nor is Chile in 1973.

One more thing, elections are secondary to who controls the resources when we are assessing how democratic a country is. If there is choice between perfect elections but a few people own all of the wealth or a country with imperfect elections but the people control the country's wealth, I'd take the second option.

Evo might have been degrading elections in Bolvia but he most certainly was degrading the Oligarchy and centuries of colonial extraction and white supremacy in Bolivia and that is why the power brokers in Washington, Langley and Tesla's boardroom decided that he needed to go.

Evo is not just degrading elections. The was a national vote on whether he could run again and he lost. He didn't accept those results so he used the courts that he filled to subvert the will of the people. He had no business being on the damn ballot.

The election comes and it a complete undemocratic joke, so of course no one will respect those results. They were not just imperfect, they were clearly corrupt and should be seen as invalid. Protest of course break out, and this fool wants to hesitate calling new ones and resigning, which would have been the right move.

I don't support the right wing, but if the cops and armed forces would have done the opposite of what they did, quell the protest and stand behind Evo, then that would make him a defacto dictator.

Evo should have groomed a successor what would carry on the work instead of trying to finesse the system. His undemocratic moves were not to serve the indigenous people, it were to serve himself.

All you are doing here is saying Evo's undemocratic power grab is more acceptable to you than the right wing's.

I find them both vile, that's while I call it complicated, because I don't want to hand wave **** to make my argument more convenient to make.

But somehow to socialist, not caping for Evo's corrupt *** means you support the buffoonery for the other side. It is complicated because Evo's own actions lead Bolivia down this road too. So while of course the military telling him to leave surely smells like a coup, part of what could have motivated that was Mendes' own undemocratic actions.

 

[Mark Antony]

That's one gorgeous fraud. I thought the TIME mockup was gonna be like something she did for fun but nah she legit has interviews claiming it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You hate to see it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

unfortunate about the whole not knowing any black people thing

but I still say Pete has the most political skill in the field, Kamala or Booker should have been running the same jig Pete is running now.

 

[aepps20]

You hate to see it.

I guess the opt in strategy is a resounding fail. They need to take those wack dance moves and stop scamming people.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You hate to see it.

Black folk outchea treating Pete like he is human embodiment of Potato Salad with Raisins.

 

[RustyShackleford]

unfortunate about the whole not knowing any black people thing

but I still say Pete has the most political skill in the field, Kamala or Booker should have been running the same jig Pete is running now.

Bruh it is not even about not knowing any black people. South Bend Indiana is a quarter black. It has a higher percentage of black people than Arkansas had when Bill Clinton ran.

Even the black people that know him, don't like him.

 

[DLF]

Black folk outchea treating Pete like he is human embodiment of Potato Salad with Raisins.

But y’all clowns in here want him or warren or sanders
Biden all the way. A white guy with middle of pack values