***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Flake isn't seeking re-election and if he does flip flop, he won't face much objection from people in his home state. AZ is a retiree state with a very large and conservative senior population.

It might hurt his pockets to flip though.

I know he wants a piece of that right wing lobbyist money.

He will get millions bo matter what he does, but it might cost him a zero.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

I want to punch Lindsey Graham in the face

He’s out there talking about democracy and **** but won’t uphold any semblance of that standard

 

[RustyShackleford]

Thank you and now that I have come to understand Dr. King’s true message, let’s flatten those crooked mountains of injustice by strip mining them and letting white phosphorous and black coal dust flow together as brothers into the mighty stream that feeds our municipal water supply of justice.

I have been to mountaintop brothers and sisters, and to achieve true justice we must blow that mountaintop the **** up to get to the coal underneath.

 

[IATT]

Awwwwwwwww poor white guy

 

[Based Jesus]

bumped into my guy on the train a stop away from NYC. I don’t have social media outside of this so if yall can please pass this pic on I’d appreciate it. My guy Kirk Wilcox understands what’s at stake.

Ran into him on the 6 train about 2-3 weeks ago

 

[IATT]

 

[big van vader]

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[blastercombo]

Funny to see these old white dudes angry. Really don’t know how to control themselves or deal with issues. Guess that’s why they pop pills into their kids mouths to fix everything and those same kids shoot school up. Scary

 

[elpablo21]

 

[nomnom]

Was just about to post this LOL

 

[IATT]

 

[Majorbread]

ya kav is full of ****, he knows he's toast if they look any further into her claims, would be funny if those calendars led to him getting taken down.

 

[Based Jesus]

Kavs went full Trump supporter in his testimony only for Trump to go "Well hold on now....."
@osh kosh bosh load up the yoppa in advance. Might need to fire it soon

 

[130122]

congrats Bart, you ruined your own life lying on the stand b

 

[d nice]

It might hurt his pockets to flip though.

I know he wants a piece of that right wing lobbyist money.

He will get millions bo matter what he does, but it might cost him a zero.

True. He might just flip and run for re-election. If he doesn't flip and doesn't seek re-election, he'll have his pick of Corp private sector jobs.

And if he does flip and decides to run for re-election, he might become popular and be called the new "Maverick" in the senate which could enhance his profile even further.

I can see Dems falling in love with this guy.

 

[dwalk31]

Committee moved Kav forward. Not sure what another week of FBI investigation will accomplish. They don't come to conclusions. They take statements. Statements that have already been given. So it'll just be more political theater. But if it eases concerns about the process then I think it is good for the country. Sadly, it is very difficult prove these type of allegations (even when they are not 35 years old). And the burden of proof lies with the accuser.

 

[blastercombo]

I see about 8 days unmarked that he could of raped someone. If you have a calendar without activities written al day and night we should assume crime is being committed

 

[RustyShackleford]

Nah Flake is gone, he put in his papers for retirement. The Senate race in Zona this year is to fill his Senate seat, he can't be put on the ballot at this point.

He would have to run for McCain's seat in 2020 if he wants back in.

 

[dwalk31]

I think Dwalk is trolling most of the time and has defended some very questionable things but it is what it is. At times I can have a fairly reasonable discussion with him.

Respect

 

[IATT]

 

[Belgium]

 

[dwalk31]

The standard of proof is beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law with due process. The Senate isn’t a court of law so there is no specific burden of proof in a confirmation process. What is disqualifying, credible, ... in a confirmation hearing is up to each individual Senator and can differ greatly. It is part of their constitutional duty to evaluate SC nominees.

I don’t remember such a party happening does not equal saying it didn’t happen. Mark Judge said it didn’t happen. Keyser said she couldn’t remember any such party.

Sessions told the Senate under oath he didn’t recall any contacts he had with any Russians when there were in fact multiple ones with the Russian ambassador of all people.

Kavanaugh raised doubts about his credibility too. Mischaracterized Keyser’s statement, refused a polygraph after previously opining it is essential, evasive answering on simple yes/no questions, ...

Mark Judge word under penalty of felony means little when Grassley’s chief counsel personally conducted the questioning. That individual tweeted and deleted that they were pushing Kavanaugh through unfazed. Mark Judge has nothing to fear about joining a handful of people in the last 70 years who were convicted under that specific penalty with regards to lying to Congress. And probably the most noteable case, a Reagan administration official, had his conviction overturned.
As if Mike Davis would suggest a criminal referral for lying to Congress if Mark Judge were to lie.

While your statement is true, the reason why the standard used in the court system is typically mentioned is because ignoring a reasonable standard offends notions of fair play and substantial justice. The ideas of innocence until proven guilty, and the burden of proof resting on the accuser are central to our justice system.

The idea that an accusation that would be insufficient to even get a search warrant or pass probable cause is sufficient to condemn someone to the point that people "believe her" is a bit concerning. See to Kill a Mockingbird.

At the end of the day, victims of sexual assault can likely see themselves in Dr. Ford, so they will believe her. People that have been falsely accused can see themselves in Kav so they will believe him. Partisans will believe (or at least pretend to believe) whatever is advantageous to their party. And people not in those categories will continue to be disgusted with Congress and this political theater.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Sometimes being a disciple of white male supremacy take a lot out of a man.

Like damn, why does his party make it so had for him to act like he gives a **** about regular people. Why can't they torment people with grace.

 

[blastercombo]

But but Colorado said nothing was happening??? Absolutely nothing he exclaimed........Confusion!

 

[dacomeup]

And people not in those categories will continue to be disgusted with Congress and this political theater

Yes, the Repubs performance yesterday was disgusting, Kavanaugh included.