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wavycrocket said:
The main story today should be the White House altering transcripts. Literally hours after trump says don’t believe what you see or hear....and when he posts on twitter that Russia wants the democrats to win...

The White House deletes from both the video and transcript the question if Putin wanted Trump to win.

That has to be the story. Period.
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It was a big story yesterday but I agree.

Gaslighting at it's worst :smh:
 
wavycrocket said:
The main story today should be the White House altering transcripts. Literally hours after trump says don’t believe what you see or hear....and when he posts on twitter that Russia wants the democrats to win...

The White House deletes from both the video and transcript the question if Putin wanted Trump to win.

That has to be the story. Period.
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Read 1984. The Ministry of "Truth" would throw things (information) down the memory hole every morning. Whatever went into the memory hole never happened, even if you literally saw it happen right in front of your face. If they said it would snow today and it rained instead, they would throw that news story down the memory hole and print a replacement saying it was going to rain all along.

The white house is turning into the ministry of truth.
 
Trump been screaming fake news fake news can’t trust these other people I’m the only one telling you the truth to his supporters just so he can sell these suckers that bought that his own fake news/misinformation. Pathetic
 
Armada said:
Trump been screaming fake news fake news can’t trust these other people I’m the only one telling you the truth to his supporters just so he can sell these suckers that bought that his own fake news/misinformation. Pathetic
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He is really setting himself up as the pied piper that is leading an army of useful idiots. It is dangerous because the world will be literally falling apart around them but they will not be able to, or want to break free from Trumps propaganda.

I don't have any sympanthy for the corporate media that lied about the Iraq weapons of mass destruction, demonizes black victims of racism, all their other shenanigans, they and Trump can rip each other to shreds for the next 2, hopefully not 6, years for all I care. But when he goes out of his way to deny blatant facts, well then thats a whole 'nother ballgame.
 
League Of The South Reaches Out To ‘Russian Friends’

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We understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion. As fellow Whites of northern European extraction, we come from the same general gene pool. As inheritors of the European cultural tradition, we share similar values, customs, and ways of life. And as Christians, we worship the same Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and our common faith binds us as brothers and sisters.

We Southerners believe in societies based on real, organic factors such as shared blood, culture, and religion, and all that stems naturally from these salient factors in the human experience. As fellow White Christians who are grounded in the sublime traditions of our common European cultural heritage, we believe that the Russian people and the Southern people are natural allies against the destructive and impersonal impulses of globalism.
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MalcolmNewton said:
League Of The South Reaches Out To ‘Russian Friends’

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To follow-up with this idiocy that shows how unintelligent white supremacists can be, Russia and eastern Europe believe in orthodox Christianity, while Americans and western Europe believe in protestant Christianity. The two have nothing in common other than the word "Christianity", which is why the two civilizations have hated each other since the 9th century. Russia has it's fair share of white supremacists, but they do not consider themselves bredren with western white supremacist groups.
 
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/cohens-lawyer-michael-has-turned-theres-more-to-come
Cohen’s Lawyer: ‘Michael Has Turned, There’s More to Come’
The leak of a taped conversation between Michael Cohen and Donald Trump discussing buying the rights to a Playboy model’s story about an alleged affair has created shockwaves—and there’s apparently more to come. Lanny Davis, Cohen’s lawyer, told Axios that we’ll soon learn more about what his client “saw and heard” during his long stint as Trump’s attorney and fixer.

“Michael Cohen has made a turn. This is on the record—Michael and I talked about it,” Davis reportedly said. “I’m not saying there are more tapes as telling as [this] one... but there are more tapes.... There is more to come.”

The lawyer went on to say that leaking the tape to CNN was Cohen sending a message to Trump that: “I am no longer the previous Michael Cohen that you knew—taking a bullet for Donald Trump, saying anything to defend him, being a good soldier.... That is over.”
In the leaked tape, Trump is heard saying “pay with cash” when discussing paying off former Playboy model Karen McDougal, but it’s unclear whether he suggests paying with cash or not paying, due to poor audio quality.
 
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Those pesky Audis, BMWs, Toyotas and Mercedes' must be stopped from threatening the US' national security! /s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2a73282e2eb0
Trump pushes 25 percent auto tariff as top advisers scramble to stop him
Several of President Trump’s senior economic advisers believe he plans to push forward with 25 percent tariffs on close to $200 billion in foreign-made automobiles later this year, three people briefed on internal discussions said.
Trump wants to move forward despite numerous warnings from GOP leaders and business executives who have argued that such a move could damage the economy and lead to political mutiny.
But Trump has become increasingly defiant in his trade strategy, following his own instincts and intuition and eschewing advice from his inner circle. He has told advisers and Republicans to simply trust his business acumen, a point he tried to reinforce Wednesday morning in a Twitter post.

“Every time I see a weak politician asking to stop Trade talks or the use of Tariffs to counter unfair Tariffs, I wonder, what can they be thinking?” Trump said Wednesday. “Are we just going to continue and let our farmers and country get ripped off?”

Trump’s trade strategy, and his potential auto tariffs, hit a key juncture Wednesday, when the U.S. president is scheduled to meet with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker. Trump said Tuesday that Juncker has come to negotiate with him over trade matters, suggesting that his hard-line stance had forced other leaders to offer concessions.

But so far there is little evidence that this trade approach is working, despite Trump’s pleas for patience and unity. The disunity within the White House and Trump’s insistence on pushing ahead on auto tariffs was described by three people briefed on the status of negotiations who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to reveal internal deliberations.

Juncker is expected to propose two ideas to try to calm tensions with the White House, said a European official briefed on the plan who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the E.U. position. One option would be lower tariffs among all major auto-exporting countries, while another would be a targeted deal between the United States and the E.U. to eliminate tariffs on industrial products, including cars.

Trump suggested a similar idea Tuesday evening on Twitter, but he seemed to suggest the Europeans would never accept the proposal he desired, making it appear an agreement was still out of reach.

Trump has said imposing tariffs on foreign cars could push Americans to buy more U.S. automobiles, helping U.S. workers. But critics think tariffs would drive up the cost of all cars and pass those inflated prices on to consumers.

The United States imported a record $192 billion in new passenger vehicles in 2017. The E.U. charges a 10 percent tariff on imports of U.S. automobiles, and the United States has a 2.5 percent tariff on European cars. The United States also charges a 25 percent tariff on light truck and sport-utility vehicle imports from other countries. Complicating matters further, a number of top European automobile companies, such as BMW and Mercedes, already make many automobiles in the United States, as do Japanese companies such as Honda, Nissan, Toyota and Subaru.

Commerce Department officials are now considering a variety of options to address Trump’s insistence that cheap foreign cars are flooding the U.S. market, and some of those measures would stop far short of imposing tariffs, two people briefed on the discussions said. But several of Trump’s advisers think he is expected to follow the approach he took with steel and aluminum imports and choose the most severe restrictions and his favored tool — tariffs across the board, according to the three people briefed on White House discussions.

The constant back-and-forth of meetings, threats, tariffs and countertariffs has spooked many Republicans, splintering the GOP and many of the business groups that marched in lockstep with Trump last year in his push to lower taxes.

While Trump is meeting with Juncker, Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) plans to introduce a bill that would make it much harder for Trump to impose tariffs on foreign automotive imports, showing more cracks in the Republican Party as they fear political consequences in the midterm elections.

Several months after Trump first imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the United States is now in economic skirmishes with China, Japan, the E.U., Canada, Mexico and Turkey. Trump has also recently complained about what he views as unfair trade practices from India, suggesting he could soon turn his attention to the world’s second most-populous country.

The disharmony within the White House is spilling into public view, something that appears to be bothering Trump. On Wednesday, White House budget director Mick Mulvaney said at a CNBC event that he and National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow were at odds with others on how to proceed on trade, but that Trump made the ultimate decisions on his own.

“The president hears all the arguments, but he makes the final decision,” Mulvaney said.

Trump appears to be irked by people questioning his approach.

“When you have people snipping at your heels during a negotiation, it will only take longer to make a deal, and the deal will never be as good as it could have been with unity,” he said in another Wednesday morning Twitter post. “Negotiations are going really well, be cool. The end result will be worth it!”

Before Trump could impose tariffs on auto imports, the Commerce Department must issue a finding that they pose a national security threat to the United States. Several Republican lawmakers have said such a finding would be laughable, but the Commerce Department has flexibility to make a determination on its own.

A Commerce Department official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the process so far, said the review had not been completed and no final decisions had been made.

But even with a final decision at least one month away, many of Trump’s fellow Republicans are getting nervous.

“There are some in the economic community who view this as the bright line,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a Republican and former director of the Congressional Budget Office. If Trump does this, Holtz-Eakin said, many Republicans have told him they will no longer “support the president any more. They are done.”

There are growing signs, though, that Trump is cognizant of the GOP trade criticism and taking steps to try to quell a mutiny. His administration on Tuesday announced up to $12 billion in emergency aid to farmers who are facing retaliatory tariffs from Mexico and China, among other countries.

Farmers have called on Trump to back down from his tariff strategy, but Trump made clear Tuesday and Wednesday that he had no plans to, believing it gives him the upper hand in negotiations.

Trump’s defiance stands in sharp contrast to what happened in the White House last year, when senior advisers were able to prevent Trump from following his protectionist instincts on trade decisions. The president had wanted to withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and a trade deal with South Korea, but he was talked out of it.

Former senior economic adviser Gary Cohn was a lead voice among those cautioning Trump against protectionism, warning a schism over trade would threaten the fragile GOP unity his party needed to pass the tax bill.

But Cohn is gone, having departed the White House shortly after Trump announced plans for tariffs on imported steel and aluminum. Trump has cast off the more measured approach favored by advisers such as Kudlow, Cohn’s successor, and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, instead arguing an all-or-nothing stance garners the most respect from foreign leaders.

And the remaining pro-free-trade faction of the White House is less organized than a year ago. Last year, there was a process for weekly meetings on trade policy among top advisers. But that process has mostly broken down since Cohn’s departure, and there is not a broad consensus among White House officials how to proceed.

This has given Trump more running room to follow his own instincts, with his approach often backed up by Peter Navarro, one of his top trade advisers who often clashed with Cohn last year. Navarro is a trade hawk who thinks China and other countries have destroyed millions of American manufacturing jobs over decades through its trade policies.

The Commerce Department held an open meeting last week and heard from 45 different groups on the automotive review, with all but one cautioning against these tariffs. The only group that offered measured support was the United Auto Workers.

Some outside advisers have privately urged Commerce officials to tailor any restrictions so that they only affect advanced technology used in cars and not the cars themselves, creating an opening for U.S. companies without inadvertently driving up broad costs on consumers.

But Trump was presented with a similar array of proposals on the steel and aluminum tariffs, and he selected the most severe one, arguing it was needed to correct what he viewed as unfair practices by foreign countries.

“The one thing I do know about Trump is that he’s not going to back down,” said Steve Moore, who was a top economic adviser to Trump during the 2016 campaign. “He’s not going to be bullied. That means the ball is in these other countries’ court.”
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...orecast-as-surging-metals-prices-boosts-costs
You Think GM’s Forecast Was Bad? Look What Auto Tariffs Would Do
President Donald Trump is threatening to slap tariffs on all cars imported into America. If he follows through, the shock waves will reverberate around the world.

The stakes will be clear on Wednesday, when Trump meets with the head of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker. Europe is trying to pull the U.S. back from the brink of a full-blown auto trade war that could hurt the bottom lines of automakers, disrupt supply chains and raise prices for consumers.

In recent weeks, investors have been focused on the potential impact of U.S. tariffs on Chinese imports, and a lower forecast from General Motors Co. Wednesday shows how duties on steel and aluminum are affecting the industry. But potential tariffs on vehicles could do even more economic damage -- more than double the amount of all other U.S. tariffs already implemented or proposed, according the International Monetary Fund.

The Commerce Department is probing whether foreign cars represent a threat to America’s national security. The investigation covers imports of automobiles, including SUVs, vans and light trucks, as well as auto parts. Commerce has until February to reports its findings to the president, who has the final say on whether to impose penalties, including tariffs and quotas.
Which country would take the biggest hit if the president imposes duties? A breakdown of the numbers shows that Canada and Japan exported the most vehicles by value to the U.S. last year, followed by Mexico, Germany, South Korea and the U.K.



But other countries will also likely retaliate if the U.S. imposes tariffs, causing even more economic damage. Canada, China and Germany imported the most American cars last year.

An auto trade war would deal a body blow to car makers from GM to Toyota Motor Corp., which have fine-tuned their supply chains to take advantage of countries with low duties, such as the U.S. The graphic below shows which nations lead in producing various components of American passenger cars, from bumpers to steering wheels.

Auto groups, industry workers and foreign governments condemned the idea of raising duties on cars at a public hearing last week in Washington. Speaker after speaker urged the administration to avoid sideswiping the very industry it wants to help.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said it’s too early to say if the administration will decide to impose tariffs, though he noted that the president recognizes the indispensable nature of the U.S. auto industry.
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This one should normally work for those without a WSJ subscription, doesn't look like there's an active paywall on this new article.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nation...lawyer-fall-under-federal-scrutiny-1532534115
National Enquirer’s Years-Long Dealings With Trump Lawyer Fall Under Federal Scrutiny
Michael Cohen and tabloid publisher traded favors over many years; the Omarosa mediation
Michael Cohen and the publisher of the National Enquirer forged an alliance over the years, looking out for the interests of Donald Trump and each other. Now, federal investigators are examining those ties as part of a wide-ranging probe into Mr. Cohen’s personal business dealings and his self-described role as Mr. Trump’s fixer.

In previously unreported interactions, some of which are memorialized in emails now under review, Mr. Cohen mediated a dispute between Omarosa Manigault-Newman, who had been a star on Mr. Trump’s “Apprentice” reality TV show, and the Enquirer over a story about her brother’s murder. He intervened in a separate legal case on behalf of David Pecker, chief executive of Enquirer parent American Media Inc. And when American Media paid a doorman who alleged that Mr. Trump fathered a child with an employee, a company executive ordered reporters to stop investigating after speaking with Mr. Cohen.
 
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Those pesky Audis, BMWs, Toyotas and Mercedes' must be stopped from threatening the US' national security! /s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2a73282e2eb0
Trump pushes 25 percent auto tariff as top advisers scramble to stop him
Several of President Trump’s senior economic advisers believe he plans to push forward with 25 percent tariffs on close to $200 billion in foreign-made automobiles later this year, three people briefed on internal discussions said.
Trump wants to move forward despite numerous warnings from GOP leaders and business executives who have argued that such a move could damage the economy and lead to political mutiny.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...orecast-as-surging-metals-prices-boosts-costs
You Think GM’s Forecast Was Bad? Look What Auto Tariffs Would Do

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Global recession. That’ll show those libs that i mean business.
 
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