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***Official Political Discussion Thread***
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Excerpt:
In a brash assertion of presidential power, the 20-page letter — sent to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and obtained by The New York Times — contends that the president cannot illegally obstruct any aspect of the investigation into Russia’s election meddling because the Constitution empowers him to, “if he wished, terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon.”
From the letter itself:
As Richard Nixon would say: "If the president does it, that means that it is not illegal"
Then there's also this:
"STRONG DESIRE FOR TRANSPARENCY"
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Totally not guilty.. totally.. definitely no collusion.. definitely
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...riffs-implemented-as-talks-end-idUSKCN1IZ00L?
Talks end with China warning trade benefits at risk if U.S. imposes tariffs
China warned the United States on Sunday that any agreements reached on trade and business between the two countries will be void if Washington implements tariffs and other trade measures, as the two ended their latest round of talks in Beijing.
Talks end with China warning trade benefits at risk if U.S. imposes tariffs
China warned the United States on Sunday that any agreements reached on trade and business between the two countries will be void if Washington implements tariffs and other trade measures, as the two ended their latest round of talks in Beijing.
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See folks, Trump couldn't even prevent himself from lying to the general public about whether or not he dictated the Trump tower statement. That's why we can't let him testify.
Again, the charge of perjury explicitly demands proof of intent. Forgetting a few things here and there are not grounds for perjury, only if they can prove you knowingly or wilfully lied to mislead. Giuliani is just doing a PR tour at the end of the day rather than doing actual legal work but it's pretty telling that they're not even trying to act like they're representing an innocent man.
Rather than "he didn't do ...", the arguments are more towards "even if he did ... it doesn't count because ..."
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ting-trump-tower-letter-this-why-you-dont-let
Giuliani points to reversal on Trump Tower letter: 'This is the reason you don’t let the president testify'
Rudy Giuliani on Sunday used the revelation that President Trump dictated a letter about a 2016 meeting between his campaign aides and a Russian lawyer to bolster an argument for why the president should not sit for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller.
"This is the reason you don’t let the president testify," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week."
He argued that it would pose a problem in an FBI interview if "our recollection keeps changing, or we’re not even asked a question and somebody makes an assumption."
Edit: And a few hours later he manages to provide an even worse defense
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...f-trump-shot-comey-he-still-couldnt-have-been
Giuliani: Even if Trump had shot Comey he still couldn't be indicted for it
Again, the charge of perjury explicitly demands proof of intent. Forgetting a few things here and there are not grounds for perjury, only if they can prove you knowingly or wilfully lied to mislead. Giuliani is just doing a PR tour at the end of the day rather than doing actual legal work but it's pretty telling that they're not even trying to act like they're representing an innocent man.
Rather than "he didn't do ...", the arguments are more towards "even if he did ... it doesn't count because ..."
http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...ting-trump-tower-letter-this-why-you-dont-let
Giuliani points to reversal on Trump Tower letter: 'This is the reason you don’t let the president testify'
Rudy Giuliani on Sunday used the revelation that President Trump dictated a letter about a 2016 meeting between his campaign aides and a Russian lawyer to bolster an argument for why the president should not sit for an interview with special counsel Robert Mueller.
"This is the reason you don’t let the president testify," Giuliani said on ABC's "This Week."
He argued that it would pose a problem in an FBI interview if "our recollection keeps changing, or we’re not even asked a question and somebody makes an assumption."
Edit: And a few hours later he manages to provide an even worse defense
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...f-trump-shot-comey-he-still-couldnt-have-been
Giuliani: Even if Trump had shot Comey he still couldn't be indicted for it
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Post the full video when he destroyed the Lib trying to make him call our president elect a lawyer I mean liar.
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Education Dept takes steps to dismiss hundreds of civil rights complaints: report
The Education Department has started dismissing hundreds of civil rights complaints that investigators deem onerous or unnecessary.
The New York Times reported that the Education Department's Civil Rights Office has begun dismissing the cases under a new provision implemented as part of a plan to revise the agency's manual for handling civil rights complaints.
The Education Department has started dismissing hundreds of civil rights complaints that investigators deem onerous or unnecessary.
The New York Times reported that the Education Department's Civil Rights Office has begun dismissing the cases under a new provision implemented as part of a plan to revise the agency's manual for handling civil rights complaints.
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Absolute authority huh,King Louis XIV would be proud
Also innocent folks are always pardoning themselves...
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"What do you have to lose....."Education Dept takes steps to dismiss hundreds of civil rights complaints: report
The Education Department has started dismissing hundreds of civil rights complaints that investigators deem onerous or unnecessary.
The New York Times reported that the Education Department's Civil Rights Office has begun dismissing the cases under a new provision implemented as part of a plan to revise the agency's manual for handling civil rights complaints.
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Betsy Bae is doing an amazing job. Libs make everything worse.
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Dude is the most conflicting man in the world like, I've said and done stupid things before, but after reading this "scholarly," garbage tweet of his, I don't feel angry but more disappointed (common theme with this man) with Trump's understanding of the presidency and the American govt't. I feel like I can go on CNN and make Rick Santorum my *****.
Yep, "innocent" people like him always pull that, "why would I apologize/forgive myself if I didn't do anything wrong? Like, I would but yaknow..."
Dude's delusional AF cuz his daddy prolly instilled in him that he can do whatever he pleases and get away with it cuz he's "rich." Guiliani should tell Trump to buy an Infinity Gauntlet at a local ThinkGEEK so he can pull a Thanos and snap his way out of this like nothing happened
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Trump: I have the right to pardon myself
President Trump on Monday said he has the right to pardon himself but insisted he has no reason to do so because he has not committed a crime, doubling down on an argument his lawyers made to the special counsel leading the Russia investigation.
“As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?” the president wrote in an early morning tweet.
“In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!”
President Trump on Monday said he has the right to pardon himself but insisted he has no reason to do so because he has not committed a crime, doubling down on an argument his lawyers made to the special counsel leading the Russia investigation.
“As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?” the president wrote in an early morning tweet.
“In the meantime, the never ending Witch Hunt, led by 13 very Angry and Conflicted Democrats (& others) continues into the mid-terms!”
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2020 can’t come soon enough
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Bigots are out celebrating the Supreme Court decision on the gay marriage cake debacle, without realizing the decision wasn't based on a constitutional right to discriminate, but about whether or not he got a fair hearing. This isn't over yet.
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2018 midterms are gonna decide everything. Hell even my faith in my fellow Americans.
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Speaking of whether or not the president can be indicted, it reminded me of the whole subject vs target thing. Whether or not a sitting president can be indicted is in a legal grey area but DOJ guidelines do state exactly that. Rosenstein himself has echoed that if I recall correctly. That memo dates back to the Nixon administration and was originally written by the DOJ's office of legal counsel, however it was reaffirmed in Clinton v. Jones. The legal grey area comes from the fact it has never been tested by the courts.
Putting Trump aside, even if DOJ investigation uncovers criminal conduct by a sitting president, would the president ever be designated as a 'target' in the investigation if DOJ guidelines state that the sitting president can't be indicted?
This is what the DOJ US Attorneys manual says:
A putative defendant is an individual/company the government intends to indict.
We know that Trump was publicly very pleased when he was told he is a subject in the special counsel's probe, but it's not clear to me if Mueller would ever designate him as a 'target' if he were to discover criminal wrongdoing. If that were to be the case, I doubt Mueller and Rosenstein would take the unprecendented move of challenging those specific DOJ guidelines in the courts.
And impeachment is a political process to remove a president rather than a criminal trial, so I don't think the president could qualify as a putative defendant if the special counsel follows current DOJ guidelines and issues a report.
Putting Trump aside, even if DOJ investigation uncovers criminal conduct by a sitting president, would the president ever be designated as a 'target' in the investigation if DOJ guidelines state that the sitting president can't be indicted?
This is what the DOJ US Attorneys manual says:
A putative defendant is an individual/company the government intends to indict.
We know that Trump was publicly very pleased when he was told he is a subject in the special counsel's probe, but it's not clear to me if Mueller would ever designate him as a 'target' if he were to discover criminal wrongdoing. If that were to be the case, I doubt Mueller and Rosenstein would take the unprecendented move of challenging those specific DOJ guidelines in the courts.
And impeachment is a political process to remove a president rather than a criminal trial, so I don't think the president could qualify as a putative defendant if the special counsel follows current DOJ guidelines and issues a report.
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good ole bill
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Rough summary:
Reinhold Wurth is a German billionaire whose company (Würth Group) is one of the largest suppliers of assembly/fastening materials across the globe. In similar fashion to that Russian oligarch being called the "aluminum king", Würth is often referred to as the "screw king" in Germany.
The company makes roughly 14% of their yearly sales in the US, amounting to about €1.8 billion.
However mr. Würth told German newspaper Bild that he is making sure to halt all investments in the US until Trump is no longer president. He cited a lack of consistent strategy and general political instability as reasons for not making any further investments in the US until Trump is gone.
https://www.bild.de/wa/ll/bild-de/unangemeldet-42925516.bild.html
Reinhold Wurth is a German billionaire whose company (Würth Group) is one of the largest suppliers of assembly/fastening materials across the globe. In similar fashion to that Russian oligarch being called the "aluminum king", Würth is often referred to as the "screw king" in Germany.
The company makes roughly 14% of their yearly sales in the US, amounting to about €1.8 billion.
However mr. Würth told German newspaper Bild that he is making sure to halt all investments in the US until Trump is no longer president. He cited a lack of consistent strategy and general political instability as reasons for not making any further investments in the US until Trump is gone.
https://www.bild.de/wa/ll/bild-de/unangemeldet-42925516.bild.html
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The Screw King is trying to screw Trump
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I'm still trying to find when Clinton had a "meltdown" in that interview Posted above.
He didn't even change his tone.
He didn't even change his tone.
