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First thing I want to say is, I am not Jordan Peterson lol I have my own personal beliefs so your attacks and personal opinions about him I wont take into consideration. Which actually leaves me with not very much to say. It seems like you jumbled a lot of his previous headlines and are kinda bundling them with other civil rights issues of inequality that transgenders already face that I've never heard JP speak about (I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just saying I've never heard him speak on those topics).

The problem I see with the transgender issue is not about bathrooms lol My problem is the toxic idea of social justice, I'm sure for the most part we agree on the issues of equality in regards to politics, civil rights and all that good stuff. However the problem he addresses that appeals to me he doesn't talk about transgenders themselves as a group. I'm sure like most people here I believe transgenders should be treated equally like every other human being but treating their sex crimes as more aggravated or more serious is social justice which would be the exact opposite of equality. Justice is already a thing and that thing already acknowledges hate crimes. I believe justice has to be applied to everyone individually without social justice adding or retracting from whatever the verdict may be.

The problem is not about extending rights to anyone, this country doesn't work by people snapping their fingers. If the transgender community wants to lobby for public gender neutral bathrooms I feel that's very possible, but to demand things because of social justice is not equality and its definitely not fair. If a private establishment wants to appeal to transgenders and build a comfortable atmospehere for them that's fine, but it shouldn't be in a law anywhere that public space should accommodate a human who identifies as whatever gender the feel they are.

The twitter thing, Why would you say I dismiss his hypocrisy? I acknowledged it and made a point that I don't feel he's ever directed violence towards a group of people, which would be a problem if he did. If he wants to link up with some kid from twitter and slap each other I could care less, sounds to me like they both openly shared their ideas and opinions equally despite how you feel about it.

On his other topics you seem to really just express your negative opinions and disdain based on wild misrepresentations and jumbling of other social and political issues that are very serious and have little to nothing to do with what he's expressing in his papers and lectures. I suggest maybe going over some of them with an open mind because that's definitely not what I gather from it. Theres plenty of material he's put out that speaks for itself, it seems like you're more concerned with your criticism of him as a person than his philosophy and political views. Which I just can't sit here and defend lol

I also find it a little wild that you linked my comment about Nietzsche>JP philosophy> and threw some more serious elements like racism and slavery in the mix. That's not cool, and definitely not correct. Many good and bad people throughout history have read Nietzsche, just how many good and bad people have read Albert Pike and Carl Marx. But to jumble them like that is not fair and I'm just not going to comment on that.
 
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I know famb, stuff been real hard outchea in deez streets for them.

Just look how their prophet hurts when he is preaching the good word of rugged individualism.....



I think he's very passionate about his philosophy, theres isn't anything wrong with that. I'm not going to accuse anyone of anything but it seems some liberals are very selective over what they want to acknowledge. In a hypothetical situation a "liberal" would accuse others of insensitivity when chuck shumer chokes up but if JP feels strongly about his ideas its laughable and not to be taken serious. That would actually define hypocrisy.
 
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First thing I want to say is, I am not Jordan Peterson lol I have my own personal beliefs so your attacks and personal opinions about him I wont take into consideration. Which actually leaves me with not very much to say. It seems like you jumbled a lot of his previous headlines and are kinda bundling them with other civil rights issues of inequality that transgenders already face that I've never heard JP speak about (I'm not saying he hasn't, I'm just saying I've never heard him speak on those topics).

The problem I see with the transgender issue is not about bathrooms lol My problem is the toxic idea of social justice, I'm sure for the most part we agree on the issues of equality in regards to politics, civil rights and all that good stuff. However the problem he addresses that appeals to me he doesn't talk about transgenders themselves as a group. I'm sure like most people here I believe transgenders should be treated equally like every other human being but treating their sex crimes as more aggravated or more serious is social justice which would be the exact opposite of equality. Justice is already a thing and that thing already acknowledges hate crimes. I believe justice has to be applied to everyone individually without social justice adding or retracting from whatever the verdict may be.

The problem is not about extending rights to anyone, this country doesn't work by people snapping their fingers. If the transgender community wants to lobby for public gender neutral bathrooms I feel that's very possible, but to demand things because of social justice is not equality and its definitely not fair. If a private establishment wants to appeal to transgenders and build a comfortable atmospehere for them that's fine, but it shouldn't be in a law anywhere that public space should accommodate a human who identifies as whatever gender the feel they are.

The twitter thing, Why would you say I dismiss his hypocrisy? I acknowledged it and made a point that I don't feel he's ever directed violence towards a group of people, which would be a problem if he did. If he wants to link up with some kid from twitter and slap each other I could care less, sounds to me like they both openly shared their ideas and opinions equally despite how you feel about it.

On his other topics you seem to really just express your negative opinions and disdain based on wild misrepresentations and jumbling of other social and political issues that are very serious and have little to nothing with what he's expressing in his papers and lectures. I suggest maybe going over some of them with an open mind because that's definitely not what I gather from it. Theres plenty of material he's put out that speaks for itself, it seems like you're more concerned with your criticism of him as a person than his philosophy and political views. Which I just can't sit here and defend lol

I also find it a little wild that you linked my comment about Nietzsche>JP philosophy> and threw some more serious elements like racism and slavery in the mix. That's not cool, and definitely not correct. Many good and bad people throughout history have read Nietzsche, just how many good and bad people have read Albert Pike and Carl Marx. But to jumble them like that is not fair and I'm just not going to comment on that.
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And we ******* done here. Just like criminal justice policy, you seem to not understand what the transgender community is asking for.

And you hide behind this "free thinker" talk to avoid facing the problematic areas of Peterson's work. I have consumed a ton of Peterson's work, he has some points, but on aggregate he is trash. I pointed out how he is trash, I gave an opinion, based on my research, you just happen not to like it.

And please, you defend Peterson, I attack his ideas and pointed his hypocrisy because they deserve attacking. I call insult him because he deserves insulting, I have put forward a case as to why I deserve criticism. I could care less if you ignore the insult, but you seem to ignore a **** more than that.

The Nietzche point was fair game. I expanded on that point to show how things that seemingly have nothing to do with white supremacy fuels the ideology. Like much of what I write, you seem to ignore that part.
 
I think he's very passionate about his philosophy, theres isn't anything wrong with that. I'm not going to accuse anyone of anything but it seems some liberals are very selective over what they want to acknowledge. In a hypothetical situation a "liberal" would accuse others of insensitivity when chuck shumer chokes up but if JP feels strongly about his ideas its laughable and not to be taken serious. That would actually define hypocrisy.
Dude please, you are clearly a Peterson fan. But like most contrarians, you need to present your idea as being a "free thinker", and of course "both sides"

You can't even take me making a joke at his expense without running for a whataboustism regarding liberals. That has nothing to do with this. If a socialist was crying about his ideology like that, I would clown him too.
 
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I don't think you get it, this isn't about disagreeing on opinions. This seems to be more about you creating a whirlwind of misrepresentations and then getting angry at them lol things that don't exist, you basically put all those words in his mouth and then got mad that he said them. You don't have to be upset with me, those are just my opinions
 
I don't think you get it, this isn't about disagreeing on opinions. This seems to be more about you creating a whirlwind of misrepresentations and then getting angry at them lol things that don't exist, you basically put all those words in his mouth and then got mad that he said them. You don't have to be upset with me, those are just my opinions
I made assessments about him, based on his words.

You just seem to ignore the evidence that is right in front of you. I know you have not taken a second to read the Current Affairs and NYT pieces.

I even post links using his words. Peterson and his clans of lobsters just like to claim he was taken out of context when people tear apart his nonsense.

He was wrong about C-16, he is a hypocrite about the open exchange of ideas, he is wrong about there being no white privilege, he is wrong about women and especially racial minorities facing a unique level of oppression, he is wrong about what leftist want, he doesn't even seem to comprehend the ideologies he rants against.

Your problem with my post is not that I am misrepresenting his post, because I cite him directly too; so does Current Affairs, so does NYT. Your problem is that I am not a fan of his shtick and much of his points.

Also, I must point out the irony of you claiming I am misrepresenting his words. When a) you claimed he makes good points on current events and the one example you cited, transgender right, he either misunderstood or misrepresented C-16. And b) you yourself seem to be misrepresenting or straight up don't understand the mainstream transgender civil rights advocacy.

In your mind, the only way that could be the case is if I am closed minded. That all the times I directly address his ideas, I am just misrepresenting him; because no way he can be that bad.

Dude please, spare me, and miss me with that. Peterson is trash. I have stated my case why I believe as such.

You wanna fall for that white hotepery, go right ahead.

Be Best
 
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Haha, fair enough but I wouldn't take that as him perpetuating violence on any said group of people. Sounds like someone called him a fascist and then maybe said they'd slap him or something. I'm not defending him or anything, just kinda seems like that's what happened... ...and on twitter lol

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i mean it's a pretty obvious shtick...
"im not defending him but..."
"i'm independent but..."
"both sides are the same"
 
Someone summed up the problem with Peterson succinctly in a previous post in this thread. I wish I could remember who.
But they pointed out that the problem with him is that he takes genuinely good advice(be confident, practice personal hygiene)
And mixes it up with blatantly inflammatory rhetoric like women aren't suited to be leaders and white privilege is a myth.
I mean the man literally argues that white privilege doesnt exist, while railing against the forces eating away at that same privilege.
 
Someone summed up the problem with Peterson succinctly in a previous post in this thread. I wish I could remember who.
But they pointed out that the problem with him is that he takes genuinely good advice(be confident, practice personal hygiene)
And mixes it up with blatantly inflammatory rhetoric like women aren't suited to be leaders and white privilege is a myth.
I mean the man literally argues that white privilege doesnt exist, while railing against the forces eating away at that same privilege.
I gotta hand it to Umar Peterson, dude's finesse game is on point.

He blends elements of nearly every movement disaffected white males have latched onto over the last 30 years. So his supporters can buy in on little pieces and not the whole. Plus it gives them some level of deniability when people point out the problematic aspects of Peterson.

Then he uses his credentials in one field to make himself a false authority in many others.
 
I thought Texas liked putting criminals in the electric chair....unless you're white :{
 
I gotta hand it to Umar Peterson, dude's finesse game is on point.

He blends elements of nearly every movement disaffected white males have latched onto over the last 30 years. So his supporters can buy in on little pieces and not the whole. Plus it gives them some level of deniability when people point out the problematic aspects of Peterson.

Then he uses his credentials in one field to make himself a false authority in many others.

This happens a lot, and Umar is a great example.

People like to latch on to the good points and ideas but completely ignore the **** that either makes no sense or is easily demonstrated as false. Umar is a god tier finesser and I hadn't looked into this Peterson dude before this conversation yall been having, and just looking at the surface level he clearly is of the same graduating class at Finesser University.

He seems to be adept at using his good points to prop up his ****** points and it's convincing to certain mindsets depending on where your beliefs are.

Looks like generic bait and switch, with some smart dumb ***** mixed in for good measure.
 
My problem is the toxic idea of social justice, I'm sure for the most part we agree on the issues of equality in regards to politics, civil rights and all that good stuff.
This is kind of an oxymoronic statement.

If a private establishment wants to appeal to transgenders and build a comfortable atmospehere for them that's fine, but it shouldn't be in a law anywhere that public space should accommodate a human who identifies as whatever gender the feel they are.

You all know what to replace the crossed out words with.

The more things change, the more they stay the same...
 
This happens a lot, and Umar is a great example.

People like to latch on to the good points and ideas but completely ignore the **** that either makes no sense or is easily demonstrated as false. Umar is a god tier finesser and I hadn't looked into this Peterson dude before this conversation yall been having, and just looking at the surface level he clearly is of the same graduating class at Finesser University.

He seems to be adept at using his good points to prop up his ****ty points and it's convincing to certain mindsets depending on where your beliefs are.

Looks like generic bait and switch, with some smart dumb ***** mixed in for good measure.
Peterson is finessing on a bigger stage, and has more appeal since he is running game on mainly white dudes, but Umar has really locked in a solid base of people he can finesse constantly with impunity

This dude straight up stole money for imaginary school and he got grown *** black people that he finessed still defending him and calling him Pappa. :lol
 
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