***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

So he's a biscuit boy that doesn't even get paid in biscuits?

Nah, he ain't on that wave.

He just on some misguided ****. We have engaged him before, he wants policy specifically for black people, and is mad that has not happened. When we explain the political, civic and structural forces in the way he just stubbornly handwaves what dudes are telling him away, claims both parties are the same somehow, but can't specify his demands.

 

[Belgium]

Grand jury testimony scheduled Friday, subpoena was issued last week.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/14/mueller-probe-ukraine-peace-plan-585653
Ukrainian politician behind controversial peace proposal to appear in Mueller probe
A Ukrainian politician who communicated with Trump associates about a controversial plan to resolve Ukraine’s conflict with Kremlin-backed rebels said Monday that he has been called to testify before a grand jury connected to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

 

[gry60]

Loving the comments:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...y-presidents-tariffs-would-cripple-my-company

 

[Nike Jordan]

Loving the comments:

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/articl...y-presidents-tariffs-would-cripple-my-company

 

[Nike Jordan]

Famb doesn't know **** about civics or politics. He will just stubbornly stand his ground above all else.

I think even Tariq Nasheed would be easier to sway.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Major civil rights legislation isn't tangible? Attempts to reform parts of the criminal justice system isn't tangible? Liberal judges on the Supreme Court and other federal positions isn't tangible?

Let us get more direct, and just compare Trump to Obama. Even all the good **** Obama couldn't get passed through Congress, or the Dem 2016 platform.

-Giving poor black folk health insurance through the Medicaid expansion is not tangible

-Pushing for more Pell Grants, grants that HBCU presidents scream that black students depend on, even when the GOP targeted them, is not tangible

-Commuting and pardoning tons of dudes that got locked up on federal drug charges, is not tangible

-Changing sentencing guidelines on non-violent drug crimes is not tangible

-Rebuilding the Civil Rights departments in the DOJ and the rest of the executive after Bush's nonsense is not tangible

-The financial reform that helps monitor and exposes lending and consumer discrimination against minorities so the DOJ can go after folk, is not tangible

-And the Civil Rights violations uncovered, and reforms the forced on police forces is not tangible

-Stopping the follow of a ton military weapons into the hands of police forces is not tangible

-All the wage theft the Labor Department went after that disproportionately falls on people of color, is not tangible

I could go on, and I could go on a hell of a lot more if Obama had a workable Congress for 8 years. But to say he didn't do tangible things to improve the marginalized groups is nonsense. The problem is that is was not enough, it was far from enough. And more could not have been done because the necessary majorities were just not there for most of the 8 years federally and locally the problem is even worst.

Also, all the stuff I mentioned, insufficient as it was, is either gone or under attack. And instead of people be like "Damb, we need to get a supermajority of progressive to really put in work, and for it to be locked in", they instead stay home, bask in their self-righteousness and make it easier for Trump to lash out at the communities they care about.

Hustling backward, plain and simple.

 

[Based Jesus]

Maybe it's just me, but I have noticed that immigrants and children of immigrants are far less disillusioned with American politics than those whose families have been here, oppressed, for generations. Seeing how politics is carried out in other countries, generally our home countries, where democracy is more of a word that's used, rather than an actual way of procedure, gives you a certain amount of appreciation that comes with having that perspective.

Like I grew up as a black boy in the ghettoes of NYC, so I realize America aint all it's cracked up to be. But I've also seen "democracy" in my parents home country, and it's nowhere near as good as it is here. For example, since gaining independence, we've had:

• A family dynasty that ran the country for years as a pseudo-monarchy, treated it like a piggy bank and blacklisted my grandfather for speaking out against them causing him to leave the island in search of work.
• A Prime Minister(current) whose family treats the country like a piggy bank and uses the ports to run drugs through but no one can do a damn thing about it even though we all know it's happening.

We've literally only had one decent person running the country in our entire history as a free nation. So while I do have a disdain for politics as a whole, and am not a fan of many of America's current and former policies, I am not wholly disillusioned with the system we have here. Which makes it easier to have an interest in and educate myself about the system. Because I can see how it's worked, over the years, to better the lives of those who have been here for generations. Even though they, understandably, can't see it themselves.

 

[Belgium]

I don't expect my politicians to do much for me, if anything. I also expect all of them to screw me in one way or the other; it's just a matter of balancing what they have done for me, what they would do for me and vice versa with the extent of how much they have done and would do to screw me. No party or politician is going to be fully in line with my personal views, that's not realistic expectation. Again it's looking at what's most in line with my views, not who fully represents them. We have a lot more options rather than a binary system of course but if anything a binary system would make that choice easier since it's mostly just one or the other.

I should note that we have mandatory voting either way, which most people hate, but I'd vote in every election either way.

 

[milestailsprowe]

Saying only one decent person is a long Strech. There were several president who tried to do the right thing consistently for the times they were in.

 

[milestailsprowe]

I don't expect my politicians to do much for me, if anything. I also expect all of them to screw me in one way or the other; it's just a matter of balancing what they have done for me, what they would do for me and vice versa with the extent of how much they have done and would do to screw me. No party or politician is going to be fully in line with my personal views, that's not realistic expectation. Again it's looking at what's most in line with my views, not who fully represents them. We have a lot more options rather than a binary system of course but if anything a binary system would make that choice easier since it's mostly just one or the other.

I should note that we have mandatory voting either way, which most people hate, but I'd vote in every election either way.

Mandatory voting has a lot of issues as it can get people to just vote without a much towards the issues because your making them. They could vote with their eyes closed leading to a mirade of issues.

Automatic voter rolls works better as if you didn't need to register to vote things would be much easier as finding some way to do online voting or a quicker way of outstate voting.

 

[InTheHallway]

I don't expect my politicians to do much for me, if anything. I also expect all of them to screw me in one way or the other;

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is literally the entire reason I'm not a Democrat ... I don't want politicians having more control over me than not ... At least the Right gives off the impression that they want less government control ... You admittedly want people who don't have your best interests at heart to have more control over you ... Unreal ...

 

[blastercombo]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is literally the entire reason I'm not a Democrat ... I don't want politicians having more control over me than not ... At least the Right gives off the impression that they want less government control ... You admittedly want people who don't have your best interests at heart to have more control over you ... Unreal ...

What the hell did you just type?

 

[Based Jesus]

Saying only one decent person is a long Strech. There were several president who tried to do the right thing consistently for the times they were in.

Wasn't talking about america in that sentence famalam.

 

[MalcolmNewton]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is literally the entire reason I'm not a Democrat ... I don't want politicians having more control over me than not ... At least the Right gives off the impression that they want less government control ... You admittedly want people who don't have your best interests at heart to have more control over you ... Unreal ...

All "less government" means is more private contractors to perform civil and military services.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Actively making black and poc lives worse.

And that's exactly what both parties have done.

 

[gry60]

Let us get more direct, and just compare Trump to Obama. Even all the good **** Obama couldn't get passed through Congress, or the Dem 2016 platform.

-Giving poor black folk health insurance through the Medicaid expansion is not tangible

-Pushing for more Pell Grants, grants that HBCU presidents scream that black students depend on, even when the GOP targeted them, is not tangible

-Commuting and pardoning tons of dudes that got locked up on federal drug charges, is not tangible

-Changing sentencing guidelines on non-violent drug crimes is not tangible

-Rebuilding the Civil Rights departments in the DOJ and the rest of the executive after Bush's nonsense is not tangible

-The financial reform that helps monitor and exposes lending and consumer discrimination against minorities so the DOJ can go after folk, is not tangible

-And the Civil Rights violations uncovered, and reforms the forced on police forces is not tangible

-Stopping the follow of a ton military weapons into the hands of police forces is not tangible

-All the wage theft the Labor Department went after that disproportionately falls on people of color, is not tangible

I could go on, and I could go on a hell of a lot more if Obama had a workable Congress for 8 years. But to say he didn't do tangible things to improve the marginalized groups is nonsense. The problem is that is was not enough, it was far from enough. And more could not have been done because the necessary majorities were just not there for most of the 8 years federally and locally the problem is even worst.

Also, all the stuff I mentioned, insufficient as it was, is either gone or under attack. And instead of people be like "Damb, we need to get a supermajority of progressive to really put in work, and for it to be locked in", they instead stay home, bask in their self-righteousness and make it easier for Trump to lash out at the communities they care about.

Hustling backward, plain and simple.

You can bring a donkey to the river, but you can't force it to drink.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Major civil rights legislation isn't tangible? Attempts to reform parts of the criminal justice system isn't tangible? Liberal judges on the Supreme Court and other federal positions isn't tangible?

Last time I checked this country still don't respect black peoples right. Last time I checked the court system is still racist as ****. I don't fall for that liberal BS. Some of these "librals" are racist. That means nothing to me.

 

[gry60]

Last time I checked this country still don't respect black peoples right. Last time I checked the court system is still racist as ****. I don't fall for that liberal BS. Some of these "librals" are racist. That means nothing to me.

Sitting at home won't change that.

Staying silent won't change that.

Rejecting the most effective tools to enact change won't change that.

 

[Mark Antony]

Forget party affiliattion, that's the attitude that got us so far removed from politics and less of us representing us.

 

[RustyShackleford]

One major irony I have noticed.

I remember after the election, dudes were coming at the people advocating voting saying that "we only care about the feelings of white people" that is why we on this voting stuff.

Yet when we discuss enacting policy changes to improve the situation comes up. The retort is always something along the lines of "well some liberals are racist..... white people still disrespecting black people "

So who are the ones overly concerned with the feelings of white people, and who are the ones wanting to fight for policy changes.

 

[blastercombo]

Last time I checked this country still don't respect black peoples right. Last time I checked the court system is still racist as ****. I don't fall for that liberal BS. Some of these "librals" are racist. That means nothing to me.

You’re absolutely right. Now what? That’s what needs to be asked

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Sitting at home won't change that.

Staying silent won't change that.

Rejecting the most effective tools to enact change won't change that.

And voting for Democrats ain't changing that. America ain't changing, period. They've shown that for hundreds of years.

 

[Mark Antony]

Now what?

 

[aepps20]

COMRADE Maximus Meridius is destroying Lib arguments, lies and CONJECTURE. Democrats and their Lib apologists have done more to hurt African Americans than anything. Keep doing what you doing. COAL GANG has your back.

CHOOO, Choooooo, Cachoooooooo LIB scum.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Forget party affiliattion, that's the attitude that got us so far removed from politics and less of us representing us.

I legit think people miss the point. The Democratic Party are not meant to be the saviors. They are a means to an end, a tool

They are the only functioning party in America that is remotely interested in enforcing civil rights policy, doing something on poverty, and are not hostile or minorities. No matter if they come of short of where they should be currently, at least they are on the right side of those issues

Instead of mobbing and trying to take control of this tool, to bend it to your will, for some gains to be had, dudes instead bury their heads in the sand and demand that without sufficient political pressure the Democratic Party must become this pure entity that is strictly in line with their views, before they can get their vote.

Legit white supremacist like David Duke, Richard Spencer, and Trump in public celebrate black folk not voting, they laugh about it, in public. Rich conservatives spend billions over decades attacking the black vote.

You said it best in that other thread. If your enemy is perfectly comfortable with your current course of action, maybe you should consider changing your behavior.

When the Democratic Party is no longer needed because we have ranked Congressional voting, French-style executive elections, or the GOP drops the racism and gets interested in Civil rights again, then you drop them for a better option if one is around.

But for now, work with what you have