***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Belgium]

Belgium thoughts?

A little update:
We now have an actual embarassment on our hands because one of our talkshow hosts decided it would be a good idea to come at John Oliver in a smug backhanded manner. Mans was dead serious about this.
I'm not even sure what he intended to accomplish here, it just comes off as extremely petty and he's now being mocked on social media by fellow Belgians Probably not the result he had in mind.
The channel that airs his talkshow (our equivalent of PBS/NPR basically) took the courtesy to add English subtitles for the excerpt.

That host isn't a comedian by any stretch of the imagination either so you know he's 100% serious with this nonsense.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

screw that fraud dinesh

from his wiki

On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in federal court to one charge of using a "straw donor" to make an illegal campaign contribution to a 2012 United States Senatecampaign, a felony.[8] On September 23, he was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years probation, and a $30,000 fine.[9][1

In 2016, D'Souza released a documentary film and book, both entitled Hillary's America, in which he offers his version of the history of the Democratic Party. D'Souza's films have been the subject of considerable controversy, including criticism for espousing conspiracy theories and other unsubstantiated representations of fact.

That last paragraph shows how people can be delusional a. The fact that he invested his time creating a fictitious account of Hillary shows how obsessed people can be just so they can convince themselves other people with false narratives. These people forget to "snap out of it."

Same goes with the old lady who unwittingly promoted Trump propaganda through Facebook but shoots down the notion of it and insists CNN's fake news. It's a vicious cycle of ignorance and that's why old people shouldn't be on social media for obvious reasons.

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

... and the fact that he's STILL blatantly earning from his businesses and hasn't been reprimanded for it.

Dappa Don playing 8D chess/checkers

 

[Belgium]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/paul-manafort-rick-gates-new-charges-criminal-case-419685
New charges filed in Manafort-Gates case
The notice of sealed charges comes after prosecutors accused the former Trump campaign chairman of bank fraud.

New charges have been filed in Special Counsel Robert Mueller's criminal case against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates, but the charges were put under seal by the court, obscuring the nature and import of the development.

The new charging document filed in federal court in Washington could be a superseding indictment, adding new charges or even new defendants to the charges filed last October, accusing Manafort and Gates of money laundering and failing to register as foreign agents for their work related to Ukraine, among other crimes.


Last week, prosecutors told the courtthey'd received new evidence that Manafort took part in "a series of bank frauds and bank fraud conspiracies" in connection with a loan he sought in 2016. Mueller's team said Manafort obtained the loan using “doctored profit and loss statements” that overstated "by millions of dollars" the income of his consulting business.

The bank fraud allegations were disclosed in a bail-related court filing made public on Friday that did not contain any indication of what action, if any, Mueller's team planned to take over the alleged fraud.

Manafort and Gates have pleaded not guilty. Their attorneys did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

During a court hearing last Wednesday, prosecutors did have a private exchange with Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is handling the case against Manafort and Gates. At the same session, she expressed frustrations with delays in the case, but did not set a trial date.

There have also been persistent media reports in recent weeks that Gates is negotiating with Mueller's office about a potential plea deal. That could involve filing a new charge or charges in the case, but doing so would not be necessary if he agreed to plead to one of the counts in the indictment returned last year.

A spokesman for Mueller's office had no comment on the development, first reported by the Washington Post.

 

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[harlemtothebronx]

This is going to be heavy as hell, man.

 

[dreamer23]

 

[AEA18]

Dana Loesch is the NRA rep that will be at the CNN townhall

She's from my state

 

[RustyShackleford]

The NRA is also against the ATF being probably funded.

It is kinda funny to me when I hear dudes make the "criminals will still be able to get guns" when arguing against gun regulation.

I always think or say "of course they will , and the NRA makes sure it is easy as possible for them to be able too"

 

[rrlegend]

These crisis actor conspiracy guys believe there's a sinister secret organization that is calculating enough to orchestrate these tragedies while keeping their existence hidden

And at the same time they think this organization is so inept that it uses the same actors numerous times on national television

Critical thinking skills all ****ed up

i think scott hall, kevin nash , hulk hogan and eric bishoff need to get investigated they did it once in 90's whose to say they still aren't active

 

[sonoftony]

These kids ain't with the sh*ts and I love it. What's the best part?....they're old enough to vote later this year

 

[tekthemaestro]

the problem with the shooting and subsequent protests is the lack of actual direction. People are calling for assault rifle bans and "gun control" etc etc. NRA and their supporters both high and low... are easily countering with you have no idea what ur talking about and so...denied.

Media is a circus turning every kid from the school into a celebrity for 15 minutes and also spreading misinformation. The misinformation is why no changes will get passed. Asking to ban "assault rifles" misses the mark because theyre already banned. So people dont know what theyre actually asking/protesting for. The media has people believing that semi-automatic is some ultra death machine classification, not understanding the handguns theyre suggesting people use instead....are also semi-automatic.

You can't possibly think you can tell congress to change a law and you dont even have the specifics down. Its a losing battle until people actually become informed. If you're going to wage war on the 2nd amendment, be prepared. You cant go to war without knowing who or what you're fighting against. right now its just a bunch of knee jerk reactions, buzz words, and pointless marches.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[Based Jesus]

B-b-b-but the constitution.......

These people only care about the constitution when it's convenient.
2nd amendment? Can't do anything about it, sorry, stop being anti-american.
The 26th amendment? Never heard of it, can't be that important if it's not top 10.

 

[sonoftony]

B-b-b-but the constitution.......

These people only care about the constitution when it's convenient.
2nd amendment? Can't do anything about it, sorry, stop being anti-american.
The 26th amendment? Never heard of it, can't be that important if it's not top 10.

He's a good ole Christian tho

 

[tekthemaestro]

B-b-b-but the constitution.......

These people only care about the constitution when it's convenient.
2nd amendment? Can't do anything about it, sorry, stop being anti-american.
The 26th amendment? Never heard of it, can't be that important if it's not top 10.

they know when this second half of the generation turns 18 a lot of them wont make the cut. however, in the meantime... they need to come up with real solutions. saying "common sense" reform and things like that wont get it done, as the florida legislators showed yesterday when it denied them to their faces. theyre treating it like its a disney channel original movie and that as long as they believe.... theyll overcome longstanding systemic evils.

 

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[RustyShackleford]

Bernie can really be an F boy.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Also Bernie is publishing another book after the midterms called "Where Do We Go From Here". If that title sounds familiar, it should. It is the name of MLK's famous post Civil Rights Act signing, pre Poor People's Movement book. Willing to bet Dr. King's name gonna be dropped constantly.

Writing a book in the year between a midterm and general is a hard sign dude is running.

 

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[Based Jesus]

they know when this second half of the generation turns 18 a lot of them wont make the cut. however, in the meantime... they need to come up with real solutions. saying "common sense" reform and things like that wont get it done, as the florida legislators showed yesterday when it denied them to their faces. theyre treating it like its a disney channel original movie and that as long as they believe.... theyll overcome longstanding systemic evils.

Those legislators denied a motion to simply reconsider gun reform. They don't even want to hear solutions. And I don't think these kids are being overly idealistic at all. They're taking actions to keep the discussion going, rather than it ending with "Thought and prayers" like it usually does until the next shooting. I actually think it's impressive how much they're managing to orchestrate in a short time while recovering from a horrifying ordeal. They're not out here holding hands singing about how bright the future will be. They're on tv angrily crying through speeches and organizing marches. Besides, belief is the fundamental foundation of any movement.

 

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[Sharpshoeter13]

Goosebumps!

 

[getback]

Charlton Heston situation all over again, almost 20 years later.