***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[aepps20]

Filthy DEMS need to stop the identity politics and dropping the R-WORD!

Let's talk policy and jobs. Look where all the R-WORD talk got Chicago!

Post of 2018 right here. Without identity politics LIBBIES don't have any real plans to make our country great again. Chicago is a Libbie paradise and look where it is right now. Only racists I've ever met are LIBBIES attacking me and other like minded Libertarians. DISGUSTING.

 

[the natural mystic]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...-trump-interview-mueller-russia-probe-n835506

The stable genius and his lawyers are trying to see if he can avoid personally meeting with Mueller. His lawyers want Mueller to agree to written responses.

Since when can you compromise with the FBI?

 

[flyeed]

Post of 2018 right here. Without identity politics LIBBIES don't have any real plans to make our country great again. Chicago is a Libbie paradise and look where it is right now. Only racists I've ever met are LIBBIES attacking me and other like minded Libertarians. DISGUSTING.

This post makes me want to take all my economic anxiety and give every LIBBIE man, woman, and child a SMASH-MOUTH KNUCKLE SAMMICH

 

[Nike Jordan]

Reasonable Republicans don't exist.

 

[IATT]

 

[Nike Jordan]

Why do these salty liberals (that's what they are) think that Trump's gonna be "kept in check" if he's in the White House?

Republicans are too shook to cross him now as the GOP nominee, do you really they'll go against Trump if he's President?

I said this **** almost a year and a half ago, I'm being proven right.

The dirtbag left owes me an apology.

 

[John Wick]

man them Trump tweets about this book has me thinking Trump is indeed a troll i have a hard time believing someone as dumb as him can be president.

Only made it thru the first chapter of this book and they claim Trump campaign was a joke and they really didnt think they could win...

 

[rexanglorum]

Oprah, unlike many other billionaires, seems to have some genuine empathy toward marginalized groups, especially minorities and women.

If she assembles a real economic team, a would be more welcoming of her in the primary than say a Mark Cuban or a Zuckerberg.

I think liberals and leftist need to no just disqualify candidates from the jump. Think back to 2000; we had a joke of a primary which was a cake walk from Al Gore, way worse than what Hillary got in 2016. As a result, Gore's pitches were not tested, he didn't have to flank to the left, and he showed up to the general pedaling some weak brand populism.

In 2004 and 2008 we had more open primaries which allowed more ideas to get attention and new pitches. Jon Edwards nor Howard Dean won the nomination, but their focus on inequity laid the groundwork for how Dems started to change the way they talk about the economy. In 2008 it got nasty but Hillary v. Obama v. Dean forced the Dems more left, and Obama was able to beat back Hillary by speaking against the 'Bill Clintonism" of the past, namely vague appeals to white nationalism. It also caused the Dems to move away from the "pro-growth" economics rhetoric.

2020 every centrist will have to find one or two leftist issue to run on, establishment Democrats will have to move left to cover their flanks, and leftist will need to spell out plainly how civil right policy fights into their plans.

The establishment will not rally around one candidate, Bernie nor Elizabeth Warren will not have a monopoly over the progressive vote or the "white working class" vote, which will force them to try to expand their coalition. We will have the orgy of serious policy debate people like Krugman and Klein want, and the Democratic Party through forced to address the issues affecting their entire coalition.

One of the big changes, that everyone on the left should do going into 2018, 2020 and beyond, is to reassess what and who are the working class in America today. Increasingly, the working class should be thought of as low paid service employees of all ethnic backgrounds.

I think that older, white guys who work in factories and in construction should be thought of as a demographic that would be nice to win, retain or win back but they are not essential. Furthermore, that group may be largely unreachable. I mean, if you talk to unionized factory guys and "skilled tradesmen," you see a lot of reactions who are both racist and possessed by relative status anxiety. they are more concerned about workers, lower on the economic hierarchy, doing better rather than take back the ill gotten gains of the investor and managerial class.

As a corollary, the center left should care less about winning over white, wealthy, college educated, suburbanites who usually vote Republican. Just as the older, white working class is a bulwark of conservatism, the suburban petite bourgeoisie and managerial class is the backbone of reactionary politics. Those two groups have a certain amount of relative social status. What we must do is to appeal to voters who have nothing to lose.

We need to target and organize: waiter staff, hotel staff, warehouse workers, retail workers, people caught in a series of temp jobs, low paid graduate students, anyone who drives for uber or lyft or who works for any of those horrible on demand labor apps any one who is paying two thirds or more of their income on housing and we nee to make it clear that things are fundamentally wrong and that the needs of this new working class come first. The low wage and precarious worker, comes first over the feelings of the professional class, the employers, the investor class, the university administrator, the land lords and the big city real estate developers.

Combine this new working class voting bloc with our existing base (which shares some overlap with the new working class) and we can win all over the map and we can shut out old economy Steves and the trust fund Beckies. The Rustbelt strategy is over, the "Panera bread" strategy is over. Embrace the new working class and their struggles and we will stop struggling so damn much at the polls.

 

[stuntman mike]

https://buff.ly/2qiBMY5

"without breaking a few pieces of china"
*head tilt*
"that wasn't an insult by the way"

 

[whywesteppin]

The only thing that worries me about Miller is that he is young and has plenty of time to reinvent himself. When you talk about theTrump administration to the younger folks who may not have lived through it, make sure you emphasize the supporting cast. They will come back.

he can reinvent himself but not with hair.

 

[IATT]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/45468...after-she-died/amp/?__twitter_impression=true



O and:

 

[elpablo21]

 

[sole vintage]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If Oprah runs she will win (the nomination).

 

[gry60]

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-to-open-the-floodgates-on-selling-us-made-weapons-2018-1

But Hillary was the warmonger

 

[RustyShackleford]

I can't call Oprah's chances yet.

If she gets a monopoly over the black female vote, and other coalitions split, then she wins.

 

[the natural mystic]

I am 100% confident she would get 99.9999% of the black female vote.

 

[trueprada]

 

[RustyShackleford]

Not even joking, Obama does not become president in 2008, if Oprah does not endorse him.

He might be president today though

 

[AEA18]

I hope the orange clown agrees to incriminate himself with that Mueller interview

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I can't call Oprah's chances yet.

If she gets an monopoly over the black female vote, and other coalitions split, then she wins.

yuup seems to me the formula is pretty clear.

We saw what happened with the republican field vs. Trump. It will be the same story.

Bernie can't win black people.
Booker is a cornball.
Gillibrand has questionable lefty cred, has been around too long,
and I'm sure sister to sister shell tell Kamela to sit this one out.

and all the non bernie white guys are drawing dead to win the modern Democratic party nomination.

 

[Mr.Guy]

Will enough White people vote for Oprah for her to win?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

To be fair, the DNC delgate allocation rules makes it harder to pull the Trump playbook but the point still stand...


The road to the DNC nomination goes through black women.

 

[trueprada]

Councilman Convicted of Producing Child Porn, Sexual Relationship with Teen -

http://breaking911.com/councilman-convicted-producing-child-porn-sexual-relationship-teen/ …

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Will enough White people vote for Oprah for her to win?

Oprah knows how to talk to white people.

and which Democrat can consolidate the white vote, BEFORE they starting voting in the south and Oprah takes the lead and is seen as the front runner?


Bernie, Kate Gilibrand, Lizzy Warren, and Omalley, all running would be a boon to oprahs chances, they split the white vote, and Oprah will build a lead, and momentum will carry her to the nomination.