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I think dude has said he lives in Howard County MD.

Rico gonna be coming though. Probably for the Dems too. He said he votes Dem locally

No doubt. I wasn't quite certain where he stays at.

A lot of eyes and are going to be looking at the results in Virginia tomorrow and the national impact it could have for the midterms next year.
 
Latest developments in the Catalonia crisis:
https://www.apnews.com/c70bb01b2171...sis-Belgium's-'nightmare,'-Spain-ties-at-risk
Catalan crisis Belgium’s ‘nightmare,’ Spain ties at risk
The Catalan crisis is being called a “nightmare” and a “time bomb” for Belgium’s government.

The outlawed independence referendum in Catalonia hasn’t just sparked a political crisis in Spain. The flight of the region’s ousted president to Brussels is sowing divisions within the Belgian government and looks set to damage ties between the two European Union partners.

Even as Carles Puigdemont and his lawyer were questioned by an investigating judge on Sunday about his extradition, members of Belgium’s government, Belgian politicians and Spanish officials were trading barbs in the mainstream and social media.

Most vocal are members of the Flemish nationalist N-VA party — a key member of Belgium’s ruling coalition and whose separatist desires appear to have been inflamed by Puigdemont’s most recent drive for Catalan independence from Spain.

“I am just questioning how an EU member state can go this far,” Belgian Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Jan Jambon told the VTM network Sunday, in reference to the jailing of several of Puigdemont’s associates in Spain last week.

Puigdemont maintains that his arrival in Brussels is about raising the profile of Catalan nationhood at European level, and not to interfere in Belgian politics, or “Belgianize” politics in Catalonia. But his stay is being dubbed “the Belgian government’s nightmare” in the media.

“The dossier is a time bomb for the federal coalition,” wrote the daily Le Soir.

Very little criticism of Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy’s government has been voiced by Spain’s 27 EU partner countries, but Belgium did condemn the violence, much of it blamed on police heavy-handedness, that marked the Oct. 1 referendum in Catalonia.

Around 900 people were hurt — nearly all of them minor injuries. Spain’s government defended the police response, saying it was proportionate to the resistance officers met on the streets.

“You have Spanish law but also international law, the European Human Rights Treaty and such things and they come ahead of member state law,” Jambon said. “I think the international community must keep a close watch.”

On Twitter, a close Rajoy ally and member of the European Parliament, Esteban Gonzalez Pons, wrote that “a year ago, Jambon who is defending Puigdemont, was justifying collaboration with the Nazis.”

Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel has tried to stay above the fray, refusing so far to comment on the case of Puigdemont and four of his associates in Belgium.

Still, that hasn’t stopped Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders from weighing in.

“There has been excitement around this dossier that exceeds the limits of what is reasonable,” he told broadcaster RTL. “Some people are getting involved in Belgium and commenting on the crisis when it’s not their role.”

“The first thing to do is keep the dialogue open with Spain,” Reynders added.

Easier said than done when Belgian politicians are using politically-charged language to compare Rajoy’s center-right government in Madrid and the Spanish judiciary to the dictatorship of Gen. Francisco Franco half a century ago.

“You know where the past of the Popular Party is, and ever more its present — and it is Franco, it is repression, it is jailing people because of their opinion, it is the use of violence against its citizens,” N-VA leader Bart De Wever told the VRT network Monday.

De Wever isn’t a member of Michel’s center-right government but he speaks for a party that is central to four-party coalition.

Yet even the moderate Socialist opposition in the French-speaking part of Belgium is using similar language.

“Puigdemont has abused his position, but Rajoy is acting like an authoritarian Francoist. Let’s find the path to a more federal Spain,” tweeted Elio Di Rupo, a former prime minister and Socialist leader in Belgium’s southern Wallonia region.

Things are only likely to heat up as campaigning for the Dec. 21 regional election in Catalonia gets underway, and Puigdemont starts stumping for re-election from Belgium. Brussels prosecutors confirmed Monday that his provisional release terms allow him to campaign here and talk to the media.

If Puigdemont’s lawyer exhausts all avenues of appeal, the ousted leader could be in town until January.

In a column published Monday on the London-based Guardian’s website, Puigdemont said the detention of his colleagues in Spain is “a colossal outrage” and he vowed to fight for separatist rights.

He said he wants to draw the attention of other EU countries to the crackdown and “demand a political rather than judicial solution to the problem.”

The specter that Spain’s arrest warrant might even be refused is also very real, as a legal precedent exists that raised tensions between Belgium and Spain in the past.

In October 2013, a court in Ghent rejected a Spanish European arrest warrant to extradite a female member of the armed Basque separatist group ETA.

Maria Natividad Jauregui Espina is accused of shooting dead a senior Spanish army officer in 1981. The warrant was refused over serious concerns that her fundamental rights could have been abused by the move.

The 58-year old woman continues to live and work in Belgium. Her lawyer was Paul Bekaert, the man now representing Carles Puigdemont.

To be fair, Esteban Gonzalez Pons's comment about minister Jambon justifying nazi collaboration in WW2 isn't entirely fabricated. He never literally said such words but he did (rightfully in my opinion) face heavy criticism for his comments regarding nazi collaboration. What he said is "The people who collaborated with the Germans had their reasons. I didn't live in that period."
Those words should have never been said, period. There are still plenty of people who lived through WW2 and certainly people with family members who did. My uncle was captured and tortured by the nazis. There's a reason we have prosecuted nazi collaborators. While I don't think our Interior and National Security minister Jambon is a nazi by any means, at the very least he should have known better and kept his mouth firmly shut on any such matters.

That being said, I appreciate that our country is willing to call out Spain for some of their actions. The actions of the Spanish Guardia Civil police were out there for anyone to see. We saw police stomping middle aged and elderly people for absolutely no reason and then the refusal of the Spanish government to acknowledge any kind of wrongdoing.
 
Senator Lindsey Graham has called on Sessions to return to testify before the Judiciary Committee in his latest interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News.
 
How do we feel about Nike being named in the Paradise Papers?

Can't say, I'm shocked and awed.
 
This Virginia governor's race is wild, I'm somewhat embarrassed that I didn't know much about it until last week. Now, I'm pretty well caught up on it and wow, it is microcosm of our National Politics. A Republican is energizing his base with white resentment and identity politics and that Republican is surging. Meanwhile, a DNC appointed dope is dropping in the polls, in large part; because, he, like many Democrats, has dyed in the wool professional class bias. This guy, the Democrat, Ralph Northam, repeated the debunked notion that there are millions of high paying jobs that go unfilled because workers are too dumb to do them.

All Dems, repeat after me "there is never such thing as a labor shortage, only miserly bosses." The bourgeois and managerial class demanded that workers work for less when market conditions dictated such back in 2009-2010. Now things have flipped and employers just don't understand that you need to pay people more money to get them to do certain jobsm, especially jobs that require specialized skills or are necessarily jobs that are less desirable.

Forget about converting the hard core conservatives who are white and working class. Dems, stop insulting the workers of color and the unemployed and under employed and underpaid recent graduates who live in Northern Virginia. You need those votes and gas lighting them about their employment situation and the economy is not a good way to drive turnout among the more marginal voters in your base.
 
How do we feel about Nike being named in the Paradise Papers?

Can't say, I'm shocked and awed.

Wouldn't be surprised by any names in the paradise papers. I assume all people with large amounts of wealth hide it in offshore accounts.

Nike hiding billions in Bermuda.

But these are the kind of people that need more tax breaks according to the GOP and their followers >D
 
This Virginia governor's race is wild, I'm somewhat embarrassed that I didn't know much about it until last week. Now, I'm pretty well caught up on it and wow, it is microcosm of our National Politics. A Republican is energizing his base with white resentment and identity politics and that Republican is surging. Meanwhile, a DNC appointed dope is dropping in the polls, in large part; because, he, like many Democrats, has dyed in the wool professional class bias. This guy, the Democrat, Ralph Northam, repeated the debunked notion that there are millions of high paying jobs that go unfilled because workers are too dumb to do them.

All Dems, repeat after me "there is never such thing as a labor shortage, only miserly bosses." The bourgeois and managerial class demanded that workers work for less when market conditions dictated such back in 2009-2010. Now things have flipped and employers just don't understand that you need to pay people more money to get them to do certain jobsm, especially jobs that require specialized skills or are necessarily jobs that are less desirable.

Forget about converting the hard core conservatives who are white and working class. Dems, stop insulting the workers of color and the unemployed and under employed and underpaid recent graduates who live in Northern Virginia. You need those votes and gas lighting them about their employment situation and the economy is not a good way to drive turnout among the more marginal voters in your base.
Famb every four years the Virginia is a god damb **** show.

It is always the worst kind of Republican vs. a more centrist Dem. Progressives have a tough time finding their niche in VA.
 
Famb every four years the Virginia is a god damb **** show.

It is always the worst kind of Republican vs. a more centrist Dem. Progressives have a tough time finding their niche in VA.

I know you used to live in the DMV area so you'd know better then me but I think that Northram will win. Unlike Hillary Clinton, he does not have to deal with an electoral college and his professional class pandering/talk of a "skills gap" plays well enough in the D.C. suburbs. I sometimes forget how popular hating on the lower middle class is among the upper middle class.

It's still discouraging to see this election polling so close and you know it is closer than the polls indicate because of the Bradley effect. I know you'd don't get down with the "skills gap"/anti worker buffonery so I'm not expecting you to defend it. I just really marvel at the way that Democrats have to antagonize part of their base close to elections. They either try to bait teachers by talking about school privatization or they engage in their "skill gap" dialectics which is guaranteed to alienate service and blue collar workers.

Republicans may be evil but they are smart enough to not **** talk evangelicals on the eve of every election. Even Donald Trump wasn't publicly calling evangelicals crazy snake handlers and homophobes in the public.

If you're a Democrat and you don't have anything nice to say about ordinary workers, don't way anything at all and keep your focus on the bigotry of whatever Republican it is that you are facing.
 
Any other president could make that same statement and it'd be received as a joke and get laughed off, but I am really asking myself if it's possible Trump could list 15 country names at all
 

I can actually empathize with Trump on this one. I remember opening up an atlas and being amazed at how many countries there are in the world. How some could be so big, and others so tiny. Like Africa has so many of them, that I thought I would never know half of them. I found it interesting that two countries could share the same small island; and how a group of many islands, most very tiny, could form one nation

But you guys wanna know the difference between me and Trump.

I was ******* 7 when it happened to me, not a grown *** man.

Da buffoonery :smh:
 
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I'm amazed a rich dude didnt know the differences between the two virgin islands
 
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