***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[osh kosh bosh]

Anyone who isn’t terminally online and actually lives and in this country: how often have you been bombarded with “niche left wing” campaigning by Kamala Harris or anyone in general? How often has any importance been placed on whether you want transgender athletes in sports or not? How often do you even see any trans activists in day to day life?

On the other hand, how often have Republicans and right wing influencers been fear mongering about how Democrats are pushing some type of transgender agenda down your throats? Which do you think is the cause of people wanting to be more “moderate” ( ) ?

None of this is incompatible with my claims.

Kamala tried to moderate on tone, and worked to a degree, she managed to blunt the red shift.

But in the places her campaign didn't reach, where swing voters don't read the news she got killed.

The prominence of right wing influencers is why it's more important than ever to clearly reject the extremes of your party.

Otherwise the propagandists fill the void. She tried to stay silent on the trans stuff and unfortunately it didn't work.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You can disagree with my claims, you can question the evidence I've provided.

But I'm obviously not making it up, there's clearly data points I've posted that support my claims.

So you should respond with actual evidence of your own. Instead of

"trust me bro I'm American, actually Americans do support trans women in sports"

 

[IATT]

Definitely a leader that you need to be following their lead...



They're all very transparently telling everyone that it's about to get really rough for them soon and a lot of people are enthusiastically marching along saying to themselves 'oh well they only mean for them, they don't mean us too'

There are way too many people who believe wrestling is real.. or the earth is flat

Some people definitely deserve what is coming.. sadly, others definitely do not

 

[Belgium]

Last night my son had me proofread a paper for a constitutional law class he is taking in his final year of law school. It was essentially about the repeal of Roe v Wade but one part that jumped out at me was the opinion of the Supreme Court (at least some of them anyway - the ones you'd expect) that many other rights that have been enjoyed by citizens for a long time are not explicitly allowed by the Constitution - so basically all of them are fair game if they want to strip those away as well. That's a pretty terrifying prospect - especially the way the makeup of the court is going to be after Trump2.

There's quite a lot of things taken for granted that could in theory be overturned if the Supreme Court tilts further to the far right.
The legalization of same sex marriage in Obergefell v Hodges is probably the closest to Roe v Wade on the chopping block.

I assume the Brown v. Board of Education ruling speaks for itself but in theory there's nothing stopping a more conservative Supreme Court from overturning Brown v. BoE and reverting to the precedent set by the ruling that Brown overturned.
Plessy v. Ferguson ruled that forced racial segregation was not a violation of the 13th or 14th amendment. This was then later overturned by Brown v. BoE.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...717&q=163+U.S.+537&hl=en&as_sdt=6,38&as_vis=1

A bit further in the ruling:

 

[sfc415]

Typical. Somehow twists “most Democrats don’t care much about this topic in real life” to a mocking “trust me bro, most Americans want trans athletes in sports.” Yet another one of his condescending and dismissive “look how smart I am and how dumb you are” posts. Always HAS to be the victor in everything

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Typical. Somehow twists “most Democrats don’t care much about this topic in real life” to a mocking “trust me bro, most Americans want trans athletes in sports.” Yet another one of his condescending and dismissive “look how smart I am and how dumb you are” posts. Always HAS to be the victor in everything

My point is that I've provided evidence for my claims and you haven't.

If you don't like my mocking tone, don't open with lies and caricatures of what I've said.

Also the point is a non sequitur as I've said I don't think most democrats care about this
Rather a small group of activists who have too much power and Dems don't want to say no to.

 

[kdawg]

The legalization of same sex marriage in Obergefell v Hodges is probably the closest to Roe v Wade on the chopping block.

Yeah, that's one of the ones he discussed. Another was about the right to surgery only with consent - funny that that's a choice people can make but abortion is different huh?

 

[sfc415]

My point is that I've provided evidence for my claims and you haven't.

If you don't like my mocking tone, don't open with lies and caricatures of what I've said.

Who are you even arguing with? I didn’t say anything about your polls being invalid.

I mentioned that most Democrats don’t place that much importance on “niche left wing” and no one has been campaigning to pressure people into focusing on transgender “issues”. Most of that talk has been coming from Republicans and right wing media.

YOU agreed with that on this same page and said that it’s not incompatible with what you’re saying, and now you’re twisting my words in follow up posts just to make it sound like you “won” some argument? What type of behavior is that?

I agree with your agreement (that you’re now going to deny like some psychopath); I just highly disagree with putting the blame on Kamala Harris or Democrats for voters switching to Trump or not voting at all. If they’re so turned off by “extremist” left wing propaganda, logically they should be turned off by the same from the right if they’re so “moderate”. Funny how it doesn’t work like that though.

 

[Based Jesus]

how strong is your argument if you need to lie about me to make it?

i've said 10 million times bathroom bans are unpopular. this would be the opposite of anything i've ever advised anyone.

I'm agreeing with you, this recent election has shown me the light. Normal people don't care about their healthcare and retirement, they're laser focused on the genitals of children, politicians and athletes. We need to concede this and segregate recess. Girls play tag with GIRLS. That's a winning message.

You’ve spent hundreds of pages lecturing people about what minorities and working class in the US go through, despite not being one of them and not living here and interacting with them on a daily basis.

That's not fair, he reads Yglesias and Nate Silver on his lunch break. He's just as invested as the rest of us.

I've got your back osh kosh bosh . You're not a one-trick pony Ian Maple Cheong, contributing nothing but smugly delivered yet clearly out of touch opinions always assigning blame to minorities and their movements in a country you don't live in and then taking umbrage when that energy is returned. I won't let these people slander you as such

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm agreeing with you, this recent election has shown me the light. Normal people don't care about their healthcare and retirement, they're laser focused on the genitals of children, politicians and athletes. We need to concede this and segregate recess. Girls play tag with GIRLS. That's a winning message.

Again what does it say about your argument that you need to make up claims to be mad at.

If you wanna be mad at made up arguments do that on your own, you don't need to attribute them to me

I've got your back osh kosh bosh . You're not a one-trick pony Ian Maple Cheong, contributing nothing but smugly delivered yet clearly out of touch opinions always assigning blame to minorities and their movements in a country you don't live in and then taking umbrage when that energy is returned. I won't let these people slander you as such

Lol get a grip, you don't care about non Americans commenting on American politics as this thread has multiple people from even farther away more culturally distant countries commenting.

You just disagree but you don't actually have a counter argument. So your going with "trust me bro I'm American". You aren't slick.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Who are you even arguing with? I didn’t say anything about your polls being invalid.

I mentioned that most Democrats don’t place that much importance on “niche left wing” and no one has been campaigning to pressure people into focusing on transgender “issues”. Most of that talk has been coming from Republicans and right wing media.

YOU agreed with that on this same page and said that it’s not incompatible with what you’re saying, and now you’re twisting my words in follow up posts just to make it sound like you “won” some argument? What type of behavior is that?

I agree with your agreement (that you’re now going to deny like some psychopath); I just highly disagree with putting the blame on Kamala Harris or Democrats for voters switching to Trump or not voting at all. If they’re so turned off by “extremist” left wing propaganda, logically they should be turned off by the same from the right if they’re so “moderate”. Funny how it doesn’t work like that though.

Your just missing the entire point of what I'm saying.

It's not enough for Dems to stay silent on the extremes of the party. So yes while rank and file Dems aren't on this. The elites of the party are at best silent or at worst complicit.

So saying that "most democrats" don't do xyz doesn't refute my point. The entire issue is that's it's an unrepresentative minority.

 

[WASHED KING]

Your just missing the entire point of what I'm saying.

It's not enough for Dems to stay silent on the extremes of the party. So yes while rank and file Dems aren't on this. The elites of the party are at best silent or at worst complicit.

So saying that "most democrats" don't do xyz doesn't refute my point. The entire issue is that's it's an unrepresentative minority.

Why doesn't the same logic apply to Republicans?

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

You don’t even know what’s popular or unpopular in this country. Your entire view of everything about the US population comes from 24 hours of scrolling through Twitter, based on how often you rant about activists, and then you use that “knowledge” to show how smart you are to us idiots on Niketalk.

You’ve spent hundreds of pages lecturing people about what minorities and working class in the US go through, despite not being one of them and not living here and interacting with them on a daily basis.

Anytime anyone tells you about how real life is here, your go to is “that’s a brain dead take” or whatever dismissive comment with laughing smilies you want to post today to make yourself sound intelligent and unbothered.

To be fair you do this with every single topic I’ve ever interacted with you on, so I don’t even know why I even bothered to write this essay. I just see a huge disconnect between someone claiming to be mature and intelligent while also refusing to listen to anyone else or admit he’s wrong or uninformed about ANYTHING .

good point

 

[gry60]

Texas Education Board to Vote on Bible-Infused Lessons in Public Schools

A new curriculum would focus on Christianity more than other religions. A kindergarten lesson on the Golden Rule, for example, would teach about Jesus and his Sermon on the Mount.

www.nytimes.com

They said they were gonna do that.

 

[pmatic]

 

[sfc415]

I'm agreeing with you, this recent election has shown me the light. Normal people don't care about their healthcare and retirement, they're laser focused on the genitals of children, politicians and athletes. We need to concede this and segregate recess. Girls play tag with GIRLS. That's a winning message.


That's not fair, he reads Yglesias and Nate Silver on his lunch break. He's just as invested as the rest of us.

I've got your back osh kosh bosh . You're not a one-trick pony Ian Maple Cheong, contributing nothing but smugly delivered yet clearly out of touch opinions always assigning blame to minorities and their movements in a country you don't live in and then taking umbrage when that energy is returned. I won't let these people slander you as such

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Your just missing the entire point of what I'm saying.

It's not enough for Dems to stay silent on the extremes of the party. So yes while rank and file Dems aren't on this. The elites of the party are at best silent or at worst complicit.

So saying that "most democrats" don't do xyz doesn't refute my point. The entire issue is that's it's an unrepresentative minority.

I’m asking this genuinely: why do you blame Democrats for not speaking out against “extremists” but you’re putting zero blame on the voters?

You and I both agreed that those Twitter activists are extremely annoying. HOWEVER I’m assuming we didn’t suddenly become right wing fanatics just because one of them accused us of being a bigot for not wanting to date a trans woman. We know that these are just some terminally online bitter single people looking for ways to feel superior to other people.

We can still believe in our overall values of “just because I wouldn’t date a trans woman, I’m not going to judge transgender people.” There are many topics that I don’t agree with or partake in, but I still believe in the right for them to exist.

I don’t think that requires some massive amount of intelligence or maturity. It’s just called minding your own business and letting people do what they want as long as they’re not interfering in your life some way. You don’t think that’s a logical way of living and making decisions?

Just some small examples: I HATE the smell of weed and hate being around stoners, but I still voted for legalization, because I don’t think any smokers should be locked up while alcoholism is openly encouraged by our society. I know countless Catholics who are against abortion and gay marriages personally but believe in the right for individuals to make their own choices.

The reason I mentioned that you don’t live here is because the vast majority of people in Democrat areas are like that on many different issues. They just don’t make huge deals about it like Republicans do, and you seem to be missing that context when you post polls on these types of “issues”.

So yes, I can agree with your polls about people being against transgender athletes in sports, but I highly disagree with putting the blame on Democrats for not calling out Twitter “extremists” as a logical reason for why voters would turn to a party that has far more dangerous extremists in real life.

I don’t know why you’re twisting my words to say “Trust me bro, most Americans want trans athletes in sports” when you agreed with me in the first place about how that wasn’t even a major topic when it came to campaigning.

 

[gry60]

Opinion | The U.S. Response to Bird Flu is Not Reassuring the World

The U.S. needs to reassure the world it has the outbreak under control.

www.nytimes.com

 

[gry60]

Y'all think they'll learn that prices generally don't come down (because deflations really suck for the economy), and that inflation is just the name for the speed at which they increase?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Why doesn't the same logic apply to Republicans?

1. It applies less to republicans because of the geographic bias of the senate and electoral college.
They can afford to have a more homogenous coalition.

2. Extremism and commitment to white identity politics does hurt Republicans. Compare them to conservative parties across western world,
they have done much worse with working class and minority voters.

their long time inability to win working class voters votes was absolutely because of unwillingness to moderate on things like entitlements.
Donald Trump did that, and thus broke a re-made the republican coalition.


It does apply to republicans, just a bit less and in different ways.

 

[Public Enemy]

At least change your icon from Shai to Skip or something.

Respect to Methodical Management for not giving you the gate. Nothing to do with any kind of disagreement or what I suppose will be some response about how you're the last free thinker, but more about how you just continually clog up the board. I've just skipped responding to the stuff you do because it's the Skip Bayless routine where you continually make outrageous or contrarian statements just to get a reaction and a response.

In 100% honesty, if getting all this attention makes you feel better or helps you get through the day or helps you ignore some real world thing or illness or situation that troubles you, I hope things get better for you. Because it seems like you run from disagreement point to disagreement point, and ignore things that are definitely remarkable, to instead choose some point where you can antagonize someone or find a point of disagreement.

And all this, from Canada, about a country you don't even live in, about people you aren't around on a daily basis. We encounter these folks every single day and talk to them and interact with them and live and work and pray and play with them, but you continue to dismiss every single person on here who responds to you. Which is why I have to tell myself that this is some kind of coping mechanism for you.

So I try to avoid your posts, even when you quote me when I'm not even talking to you and explicitly talking to another poster. We still have a little over a month left in 2024, but I certainly hope 2025 goes better for you in whatever ways help both you and us.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I’m asking this genuinely: why do you blame Democrats for not speaking out against “extremists” but you’re putting zero blame on the voters?

You and I both agreed that those Twitter activists are extremely annoying. HOWEVER I’m assuming we didn’t suddenly become right wing fanatics just because one of them accused us of being a bigot for not wanting to date a trans woman. We know that these are just some terminally online bitter single people looking for ways to feel superior to other people.

We can still believe in our overall values of “just because I wouldn’t date a trans woman, I’m not going to judge transgender people.” There are many topics that I don’t agree with or partake in, but I still believe in the right for them to exist.

I don’t think that requires some massive amount of intelligence or maturity. It’s just called minding your own business and letting people do what they want as long as they’re not interfering in your life some way. You don’t think that’s a logical way of living and making decisions?

Just some small examples: I HATE the smell of weed and hate being around stoners, but I still voted for legalization, because I don’t think any smokers should be locked up while alcoholism is openly encouraged by our society. I know countless Catholics who are against abortion and gay marriages personally but believe in the right for individuals to make their own choices.

The reason I mentioned that you don’t live here is because the vast majority of people in Democrat areas are like that on many different issues. They just don’t make huge deals about it like Republicans do, and you seem to be missing that context when you post polls on these types of “issues”.

So yes, I can agree with your polls about people being against transgender athletes in sports, but I highly disagree with putting the blame on Democrats for not calling out Twitter “extremists” as a logical reason for why voters would turn to a party that has far more dangerous extremists in real life.

The voters get to decide so blaming them is pointless in a conversation about political tactics. unless were going to bring back poll tests, uninformed people get to vote.


but if you're asking me as like a personal question "is it smart to base your vote on annoyance about niche cultural issues?"
I think that's very stupid and a personally wouldn't do it.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Tokens are meant to be spent.

 

[Nike Jordan]

You're not a one-trick pony Ian Maple Cheong

At least he's visited the United States.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

At least change your icon from Shai to Skip or something.

Respect to Methodical Management for not giving you the gate. Nothing to do with any kind of disagreement or what I suppose will be some response about how you're the last free thinker, but more about how you just continually clog up the board. I've just skipped responding to the stuff you do because it's the Skip Bayless routine where you continually make outrageous or contrarian statements just to get a reaction and a response.

In 100% honesty, if getting all this attention makes you feel better or helps you get through the day or helps you ignore some real world thing or illness or situation that troubles you, I hope things get better for you. Because it seems like you run from disagreement point to disagreement point, and ignore things that are definitely remarkable, to instead choose some point where you can antagonize someone or find a point of disagreement.

And all this, from Canada, about a country you don't even live in, about people you aren't around on a daily basis. We encounter these folks every single day and talk to them and interact with them and live and work and pray and play with them, but you continue to dismiss every single person on here who responds to you. Which is why I have to tell myself that this is some kind of coping mechanism for you.

So I try to avoid your posts, even when you quote me when I'm not even talking to you and explicitly talking to another poster. We still have a little over a month left in 2024, but I certainly hope 2025 goes better for you in whatever ways help both you and us.

again with the contrarian cope.

"You must moderate your positions to be seen as moderate"

vs

"Moving to the left on both culture and politics carries no electoral penalties and Dems lost because they weren't left enough"


Who is the contrarian in this debate again?

 

[elpablo21]

Tokens are meant to be spent.