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Is this the end of Kamala’s political career - congress, governor, etc? Can’t see her running for president again
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Where have you been? They moved to being a right wing(lite) channel and fired Don Lemon years ago. They will continue to have low ratings because if people want right wing media they will go to Fox and if people want left wing media they will go to MSNBC.
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The final numbers haven't been made official yet (and who knows the full extent of the blatant voter suppression efforts) but by all measures, voter turnout was down across the board. For Dems and the GOP.
The covid year generating larger turnout given the circumstances at the time and all of the positive economic indicators/metrics this time, should be an indictment on the chosen strategy against a washed up Trump.
The contest ended up being about who was able to be persuaded to show up as much as who was persuaded to flip their vote. The GOP won that battle decisively without budging an inch and millions of Dem votes were left on the table as a result of choices made during the campaign.
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Yep, shes done politically. There's no where else for her to go.
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I am depressed.
Globally, I see a breakdown of the international, economically liberal, and progressive social order that replaced the chaos after the World Wars and the Great Depression.
We seem to be reverting to a historical mean of isolationism and the strong eating the weak. If you squint, you can see the hints of re-colonialization in Russia, Iran, and China.
I’d hoped that the United States would provide a counter-vision, but this election shows that we are no exception to the global shifts in values. The broad contours of Trump’s campaign are political isolationism, economic isolationism, de-regulated commerce, crushed labor, and the eradication of social justice. And America overwhelmingly voted for it. I don’t think we can call the voters stupid if they are simply expressing their values. We could maybe call them evil, but what good is there to shout into that void?
Some of us have lived in places where the strong eat the weak. Like it or not, we understand that in such societies, justice takes a back seat to protecting those you love. We can and should try to change the world, but we are foolish if we hide our eyes from the realities we live in.
There is very little stopping these new values from being encoded into the laws and institutions of the country. And history says that with no guardrails, the voracious hoarding of power will actually be very popular for the near term. They can make the trains run on time for 70% of the country through the pain of 30% and that will be an effective, winning strategy.
To be clear, I don’t foresee anyone crowning himself king. Rather, the game will become even more biased towards those with power - the rich, the demagogs. Instead, the very institutions of progress will be ossified into a permanent bias that allows those who would consolidate power to claim they do so through the ongoing support of the people.
To stop dystopia, the left needs to be very targeted on the biggest threats. And, unfortunately, I think everything else that might alienate white people and white men especially will need to be dropped from the platform.
Global climate change is the exogenous catalyst for a catastrophic realignment of power that can take any liberty away from the masses for a century. Stopping that is the only thing that matters now.
Globally, I see a breakdown of the international, economically liberal, and progressive social order that replaced the chaos after the World Wars and the Great Depression.
We seem to be reverting to a historical mean of isolationism and the strong eating the weak. If you squint, you can see the hints of re-colonialization in Russia, Iran, and China.
I’d hoped that the United States would provide a counter-vision, but this election shows that we are no exception to the global shifts in values. The broad contours of Trump’s campaign are political isolationism, economic isolationism, de-regulated commerce, crushed labor, and the eradication of social justice. And America overwhelmingly voted for it. I don’t think we can call the voters stupid if they are simply expressing their values. We could maybe call them evil, but what good is there to shout into that void?
Some of us have lived in places where the strong eat the weak. Like it or not, we understand that in such societies, justice takes a back seat to protecting those you love. We can and should try to change the world, but we are foolish if we hide our eyes from the realities we live in.
There is very little stopping these new values from being encoded into the laws and institutions of the country. And history says that with no guardrails, the voracious hoarding of power will actually be very popular for the near term. They can make the trains run on time for 70% of the country through the pain of 30% and that will be an effective, winning strategy.
To be clear, I don’t foresee anyone crowning himself king. Rather, the game will become even more biased towards those with power - the rich, the demagogs. Instead, the very institutions of progress will be ossified into a permanent bias that allows those who would consolidate power to claim they do so through the ongoing support of the people.
To stop dystopia, the left needs to be very targeted on the biggest threats. And, unfortunately, I think everything else that might alienate white people and white men especially will need to be dropped from the platform.
Global climate change is the exogenous catalyst for a catastrophic realignment of power that can take any liberty away from the masses for a century. Stopping that is the only thing that matters now.
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Biden and Dems are better for the economy that is a fact but we are not doing well economically as a whole.
As mentioned here people are living with their parents, not buying homes, working multiple jobs, or on some type of govt aide.
Both dems and republicans point to the stock market but most working class people dont own any or own very little (not life changing).
You know those billionaires we all know and love...they will only get richer in the Trump economy but your average joe will get poorer.
I would have preferred my BTC go to zero if it meant Trump losing. Now BTC is at ATH. Why? Because a Trump presidency means deregulation of financial sectors...or pretty much no regulation.
As mentioned here people are living with their parents, not buying homes, working multiple jobs, or on some type of govt aide.
Both dems and republicans point to the stock market but most working class people dont own any or own very little (not life changing).
You know those billionaires we all know and love...they will only get richer in the Trump economy but your average joe will get poorer.
I would have preferred my BTC go to zero if it meant Trump losing. Now BTC is at ATH. Why? Because a Trump presidency means deregulation of financial sectors...or pretty much no regulation.
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-13 million ballots is INSANE. Like unconscionable. Beyond a general debrief of why voters moved right, there needs to be some review of where the ballots didnt come back from and why. That's my biggest takeaway - why did people stay home?
A conspiracy theorist might think Trump's wails of voters fraud and interference are another case of projection, saying the quiet part loudly while committing the acts himself or with help from a foreogn friend thats already twice attempted to interfere. But those of us in their right mind will totally take at face value that there was a historic fallout from 4 and 8 years ago in terms of pure voter turnout for a candidate who seemingly garnered more enthusiasm than the prior two Democratic candidates.
But really it's just copium trying to make sense of the biggest political failing of our generation (which is saying something). Zoomers can go to hell.
A conspiracy theorist might think Trump's wails of voters fraud and interference are another case of projection, saying the quiet part loudly while committing the acts himself or with help from a foreogn friend thats already twice attempted to interfere. But those of us in their right mind will totally take at face value that there was a historic fallout from 4 and 8 years ago in terms of pure voter turnout for a candidate who seemingly garnered more enthusiasm than the prior two Democratic candidates.
But really it's just copium trying to make sense of the biggest political failing of our generation (which is saying something). Zoomers can go to hell.
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And who has historically proven to be the party to implement social economic policy that helps make those things more attainable to the regular American?
The Boom of the 90s, the prosperity of the Obama years, or Reganomics, the Great Recession coming off Bush, etc.
The economy is complicated in some aspects, but there are simple concepts that have proven to be tried and true. Cutting taxes for the rich has NEVER worked, trickle down economics is a failed policy.
Inflation is going to happen regardless of who's in office due to a lot of levers in the world economy. You know what won't help inflation? Imposing tarrifs on our biggest export partner to make goods even less affordable, making home ownership even less attainable because you got to spend money on other ****. It's a never ending cycle.
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Seeing a Russian dude I was friends with and trained with for a long time in Thailand celebrate Trump is low key hilarious to me.
Homeboy is an ethnic Yakut that immigrated to Canada so his 3 daughters have a better future in life versus being at home in Russia.
And this clown posting “Trump
” on social media.
Homeboy is an ethnic Yakut that immigrated to Canada so his 3 daughters have a better future in life versus being at home in Russia.
And this clown posting “Trump
” on social media.
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He really walked right out of prison and straight back into the very highest corridors of power
Playbook worked like a charm and now they're gonna be methodically implemented the agenda at every level over the next few years
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If you don’t stand for anything, you stand for nothing ultimately.
I think there is a lot of this here in regards to the true reality of the issues with the economy, pricing etc.
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If you don’t stand for anything, you stand for nothing ultimately.
I think there is a lot of this here in regards to the true reality of the issues with the economy, pricing etc.
friends don't let friend trust issue polling from activists groups.
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youre just not taking in what im saying
as a general rule the guy who didn't vote is even more conservative than the guy who did vote.
turning him out will inevitably involve MODERATING.
this idea that oh we just needed to convince progressives to vote is crazy
we CANT do this again.
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The fact that this was right out in the open for everyone to read and people still willingly walked right into it because their eggs cost a dollar more and some racists in Wisconsin and PA think immigrants are driving up housing costs is just laughable.
We are in for a world of pain and this sounds bad but since we're all in the 'Find Out' phase of this experiment together, I'm honestly at the point where I'm hoping that anyone that voted for this nonsense feels maximum pain from it.
Tariffs destroying people's businesses and taking food off their tables, vets unable to access help from the VA, people not getting important mail or medicine delivered from the USPS, women not able to get maternal care, etc.
It sounds bad and I actually feel bad for thinking it but people need to know there are consequences. Even if they'll still somehow blame the Dems, they need to know the pain that they've dragged us all into.
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Home prices are never gonna be affordable like they were 10-15 years ago. This has been the new reality in the whole world. Prices are only going up and wages are not keeping up at all
No one can and no one will fix that. Its pure capitalism. People who have money are buying 5 homes to sit on and flip in the future creating scarcity
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