- Jan 16, 2016
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As a black man, nothing and no one will ever convince me otherwise. Black woman? DoA.
***Official Political Discussion Thread***
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- Dec 25, 2003
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sonoftony
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- Apr 3, 2005
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- Aug 30, 2012
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- Aug 24, 2017
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They ran on the platform of "one candidate is a felon, dictator, sexual assault suspect, etc and the other....is not" and that was lazy. They also messed up pushing Joe Biden knowing the public was starting to see his mental decline due to age and then panicked when it was too late. They needed a strong candidate way earlier in the game. They basically pulled their starting QB for a rookie the 2nd quarter of the Super Bowl
finessence
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- Mar 14, 2010
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Y’all are really shocked…. That the American public, which made him a president ONCE, made him a president AGAIN??? 
- Jun 15, 2013
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This kind of fear-mongering hasn’t been effective from the start. People aren't responding to it, so why continue? It’s clear there’s a lack of understanding on certain issues in the country, and the focus should instead be on laying the groundwork for a better future rather than perpetuating a “we are doomed” narrative.
It just shows there are far more uneducated voters focused on issues like immigration and inflation than highly educated voters concerned about a former president with felonies returning to office.
- Mar 25, 2021
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Glad I didn't stay up all night following this **** show
This sucks
This sucks
- Jun 15, 2013
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Exactly, people keep emphasizing issues that aren’t the top priority for the average person. What people really care about is improving their quality of life, which currently isn’t happening. Just look at Massachusetts: once strong on immigration, they're now calling it a crisis, declaring a state of emergency, and even urging citizens to shelter immigrants. Despite their progressive reputation, they even voted down minimum wage increases for tipped employees.
High prices are wearing people down, so it’s no surprise when you see certain shifts in voting patterns. If you’ve seen New York City recently, it’s evident—crime, overcrowded streets, illegal vendors, and much of it is attributed to the ongoing immigration challenges. Yet many remain focused on Trump’s character rather than paying attention to the daily realities. "When I was a little girl" storytelling can only resonate so far.
- Oct 3, 2007
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Just goes to show people are stupid 
- Sep 5, 2010
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Goddamn, popular vote too?
This country really just hates women
This country really just hates women
- Dec 19, 2006
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Last time I make that mistake
- Jul 10, 2015
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I really try my best to live my life hopeful and not grow more pessimistic the older I get like so many but its hard its really hard I can't even fully put into words how depressing this is. I see all the consequences of this and I'm just trying to keep it out my mind but more and more consequences come to mind. My only hope rn is the people with hearts and minds in the right places fight harder on all levels because of this.
- Dec 19, 2006
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I efing said this yesterday
- Apr 28, 2020
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I wake up and she got SMOKEDDDDDDDD. She did far worse than Hilary Clinton too and didn’t even win the popular vote.
All that money these companies wasted on her too. I knew this was gonna end in tears for either side but not like that and I thought it would be a tight race. Yikes
All that money these companies wasted on her too. I knew this was gonna end in tears for either side but not like that and I thought it would be a tight race. Yikes
ghenges
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- Jul 18, 2003
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Life goes on. I'm over it. Socrates was right about democracy.
- Oct 3, 2007
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They probably hate their own mother
- Dec 8, 1999
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Fellas I feel like I let you guys down and my mom (RIP) down. I truly believe that this wonderful community represents the world that I want to see and the world I thought we had.Methodical Management thank you for everything that you’ve done for me and this community. When I say I’d rather be us than them, I mean that you guys make life worth living. I thought if we did the work we would win and I really tried but it might not be enough. I think this will be my last post on NT for awhile so I thank you guys and want to tell you to never give up. We survived before and we will do so again.
Everyone who voted in this election was alive in 2016. Out of all the caricaturizations of Trump voters, the idea that they’re so ignorant that they fell for magical thinking twice is arguably the most insulting.
At bottom, Trumpism is the politics of resentment. Trump supporters do not share a common cause so much as a common set of enemies. The rally at Madison Square Garden was not an aberration: it was Trump’s closing argument - a distillation of everything his campaign has been about since he began his political career launching racist, xenophobic attacks against Black men (the Exonerated Five, Barack Obama), China, and non-White immigrants.
To his supporters, Trump is a weapon. He is a troll. The stronger and more negative the reaction he’s able to provoke from his enemies, the more he delights those who share his enmity.
We’ve lived through this before, and we remember who took a victory lap in 2016. We haven’t forgotten how they behaved. They reveled in the misery of their fellow Americans. Trump failed to deliver a border wall, unless you count a few disconnected miles of brittle fencing that’s aging as well as a Cybertruck. He didn’t end crime. His mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic and racial justice protests plunged the country into chaos and recession, not order and prosperity. He didn’t deliver a 1950’s TV housewife to every incel or win the “war on Christmas.” Even so, they got what they really wanted: to have their hierarchical status as men, as White, as straight, as cisgender, as Christian, as citizens reinforced, and to heap scorn on those they felt deserving of “punishment.”
Succeeding as a coalition and as a democracy requires us to be unselfish, accept compromise, and influence through persuasion and not coercion. America once again failed the prisoner’s dilemma. Too many voters chose the perpetuation of relative privilege over the possibility of progress towards equality. Too many nonvoters chose selfish pride and nihilistic apathy over the better and more qualified candidate - to place the most vulnerable among us in harm’s way to appear “hardcore” and “principled” for their inaction in the face of a crisis for the approval of a social media hall of mirrors.
You didn’t.
There’s going to be a lot of finger pointing over the coming days and months, and people will invariably seize the opportunity to claim that if only everyone had done exactly what they wanted, and centered their desires, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Some will unfairly scapegoat those on the margins, with relatively little individual or collective power, rather than issuing proportionate culpability to the majority of Trump supporters and enablers.
You didn’t.
You looked inwards when others placed blame. You looked outwards when deciding how to use your power, your resources, and your influence.
I am ashamed of the United Sates today, but I’m proud of you - and all those like you who truly put the wellbeing of the country and its most vulnerable residents ahead of your own convenience or self-interest.
You volunteered to help get out the vote. You spent time here to extend to others the camaraderie, support, and encouragement that you’ve so appreciated.
If, in this moment of exasperation, we choose to pull apart to our own insular, homogenized echo chambers instead of pulling together, if those who hold us in such deep contempt as to choose chaos over community see us driven to despair and hopelessness, then we will have truly lost.
Your health and wellbeing are important. Take whatever time you need to recover.
All of the decent regulars here know how much you’ve sacrificed. You’ve given far more than most to honor your values and your mother’s memory.
It may not be my place to make this request, after you’ve pushed yourself to the limit, but if I could ask you for one more sacrifice, it would be this:
Stay.
Your community is here for you. Your community is here because of you.
Prior generations sheltered our fragile lineages from the threat of extermination, delivered us, survivors, on their lacerated backs and unbowed shoulders. We owe it to them, and each other, to carry on - to deliver their values, our values, to all those who will follow.
In the immortal words of the great James Baldwin,
“if the word integration means anything, this is what it means: that we, with love, shall force our brothers to see themselves as they are, to cease fleeing from reality and begin to change it. For this is your home, my friend, do not be driven from it; great men have done great things here, and will again, and we can make America what America must become.”
- Jul 18, 2012
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At least I live in CA. But even then he has gained 5+pts in the darkest of blue counties compared to 2020.
- Feb 23, 2010
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I just heard an interview from a woman in Orange County, CA she’s half Vietnamese and voted for Trump solely because her mom was a legal immigrant
atlsfinest
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- Feb 8, 2009
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So after all that there was basically no point in swapping Biden for Harris. We literally ended up in the exact same position we would have been in if it would have just ran with Joe. The only thing we got was a vibe shift but the end result is the same.
It would be funny if it weren't sad.
It would be funny if it weren't sad.
- Aug 1, 2012
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I am telling ya'll, we need to organize outside these systems. These ruling elites don't serve us.
Maybe the strategy should be for us to unite based on class struggle ?
Also, I will never get how the working class and even non white go for the far right. It's really weird. Must be internalized racism, misogyny, white supremacy and capitalism.
Well, this will be Canada next year as it emboldens Trump wannabe to push and win for the next election.
Maybe the strategy should be for us to unite based on class struggle ?
Also, I will never get how the working class and even non white go for the far right. It's really weird. Must be internalized racism, misogyny, white supremacy and capitalism.
Well, this will be Canada next year as it emboldens Trump wannabe to push and win for the next election.
