***Official Political Discussion Thread***

The rhetoric makes it easy to forget that Biden deported even more undocumented folks than Trump ever did and drew up the most comprehensive and punitive immigration bill ever, with bi-partisan help, and it still got shot down with 1 call from Trump :lol

Kamala dropped her support for the DREAMER act and Dems moved more on immigration, to the point of a tougher bill than any GOP administration ever put forth, than at any other point in my life and it still never moved the needle one bit or pierced the national echo chamber.

The narrative and reality never matched up there but the details and facts have never been the point here like we see time and time again :lol. Yarn spinning about 'migrant caravans', illegals getting supposed 'benefits' and incessant fear mongering is salient and works very effectively with this electorate.

It's the messaging and letting Repubs dominate the discussion on their terms that always handicaps Dems

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Nonsense

it is true that he killed the bill, but when was it introduced? Not to mention sheer increase in illegal immigration under Bidens term.

Sure Trump went back to dog whistles and caravans and apartment takeovers but the dems let him use the nonsense again instead of handicapping.

The best aggregate list of all Biden admin did differently:

tps://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2024/trump-vs-biden-immigration-side-side-policy-comparison

Trump **** on Obama non stop but he was at least wise enough to expand on immigration based executive orders Obama put in place, policies that made sense, policies that Kamala could have used as examples on how she would govern differently.
 
Fellas I feel like I let you guys down and my mom (RIP) down. I truly believe that this wonderful community represents the world that I want to see and the world I thought we had. Methodical Management Methodical Management thank you for everything that you’ve done for me and this community. When I say I’d rather be us than them, I mean that you guys make life worth living. I thought if we did the work we would win and I really tried but it might not be enough. I think this will be my last post on NT for awhile so I thank you guys and want to tell you to never give up. We survived before and we will do so again.
 
My colleague told me this the other week when her parents first arrived in Canada.
They faced a lot of backlash and she remembers going to the grocery store and the manager told them "we don't have your people's food here"
It took a long time for them to be accepted (they are from Italy).

People really don’t get, that we are not that far removed from a whole lot more people being othered

It amazes me that instead of empathy how quick those groups are to turn and want to fit right in with those who treated them horrifically and saw them as less than

It was legit an issue for jfk to be Irish Catholic

But people want to learn the hard way evidently.. Florida routinely getting hit with massive hurricanes dealing with home insurance crisis and playing politics with Disney and meanwhile turning down federal funding for infrastructure
 
What makes you so sure there's gonna be another one?

They're about to go full mask off with the project 2025 stuff they've been trying to play dumb about...

People got a whole lot of faith that they won’t do the things they have said they would do or others connected to them have said they would do

But hey Kamala is biracial
 
Think about the types of people you knew since you were a kid.

2.0 GPA, always disrupting class, always in detention, fighting with teachers, making constant penis jokes, vandalizing @&@&, generally being the most annoying and obnoxious person you can thing of but somehow still being one of the most popular kids in school. In most civilized countries, this type of kid would be the one being bullied for being a complete idiot, but over here they’re idolized while people who want to focus in class get laughed at for trying too hard.

Those are the types of kids that grew up to become the people you and I might hate but a large percentage of Americans find entertaining and “real”.


Look at the types of people who are always in the spotlight in this country. When you have to keep saying “who the hell is actually a fan of Logan Paul, Kanye, (insert any of the other thousands of obnoxious celebrities here)” you’ll realize that you’re in the minority of people who look down on this type of behavior. Trump is just another one of those people. He’s not an exception
They have a louder voice these days too due to social media.
 
Fellas I feel like I let you guys down and my mom (RIP) down. I truly believe that this wonderful community represents the world that I want to see and the world I thought we had. Methodical Management Methodical Management thank you for everything that you’ve done for me and this community. When I say I’d rather be us than them, I mean that you guys make life worth living. I thought if we did the work we would win and I really tried but it might not be enough. I think this will be my last post on NT for awhile so I thank you guys and want to tell you to never give up. We survived before and we will do so again.
The only people that should feel like they let anybody down are the ones who sat on the sidelines and couldn't be bothered to vote. You and anybody else who put in any work at all, even a simple casting of a ballot, shouldn't feel ashamed at all. Disappointed in the country? Of course. Tonight will hurt and it's normal to take a breath to recoup. We will keep fighting and we'll find a way to win again. And that will feel glorious. The work never ends. We have each other's backs and aepps20 aepps20 I sincerely hope you know that you're nothing close to a disappointment. To any of us or any of your family.
 
Fellas I feel like I let you guys down and my mom (RIP) down. I truly believe that this wonderful community represents the world that I want to see and the world I thought we had. Methodical Management Methodical Management thank you for everything that you’ve done for me and this community. When I say I’d rather be us than them, I mean that you guys make life worth living. I thought if we did the work we would win and I really tried but it might not be enough. I think this will be my last post on NT for awhile so I thank you guys and want to tell you to never give up. We survived before and we will do so again.
What work are you talking about? Nike talk fundraisers? girl scout cookies? This is ridiculous. Delete this post.
 
Fellas I feel like I let you guys down and my mom (RIP) down. I truly believe that this wonderful community represents the world that I want to see and the world I thought we had. Methodical Management Methodical Management thank you for everything that you’ve done for me and this community. When I say I’d rather be us than them, I mean that you guys make life worth living. I thought if we did the work we would win and I really tried but it might not be enough. I think this will be my last post on NT for awhile so I thank you guys and want to tell you to never give up. We survived before and we will do so again.
Def didn't let anyone down fam! Especially mom. Appreciate the positive word and vibes you continued to bring in here and especially in 20'. Take a break and get your reset. Will definitely be checking in with you fam 🫡
 
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