***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[finallyfamous]

regardless who wins, tonight will be very interesting.[/quote

Yes it should

Very excited to see who wins Ohio.

 

[deuce king]

I've been telling folks as far as the state of Virginia goes whichever side wins the Senate seat between Kaine/Allen wins the presidential race.  With that being said it looks like Obama will win Virginia.

 

[Coupé It]

Hmm not bad... I picked VA for Obama because momentum wildly swung for Obama there in past 2 weeks.. If the election was a week ago, Romney would have taken it.
But after all our arguing we agree on 49 of 50

With you, I looked at as debating. I only argue with complete super ultra (Left or Right wing) individuals who can't be objective.

Like FutureMD who said Obama didn't lose the 1st debate and it means nothing. Or Ninjahood who believes Romney is going to carry Wisconsin.

You know, those type of dudes. Who are so clouded by their political views they can't accept reality.

Reason why I say Romney for VA is because it's a dead heat, and usually when it's this close it doesn't go the Incumbents way.

 

[a baboon cow]

Lines are insulting long. Just go vote now, Stood in line for 2 hours. Voted for myself

 

[RustyShackleford]

With you, I looked at as debating. I only argue with complete super ultra (Left or Right wing) individuals who can't be objective.
Like FutureMD who said Obama didn't lose the 1st debate and it means nothing. Or Ninjahood who believes Romney is going to carry Wisconsin.
You know, those type of dudes. Who are so clouded by their political views they can't accept reality.
Reason why I say Romney for VA is because it's a dead heat, and usually when it's this close it doesn't go the Incumbents way.

Future said that you can't win or lose debates. He was consistent through all four saying that, even even Obama and Biden performed better.

And he was right, look at the polls, they went right back to where they were before the first debate. In the end, Obama's performance in the first debate meant very little.

 

[cryingfreemancoa]

Did anyone know Washington, Oregon, and Colarado are voting on whether to legalize Marijuana

I don't smoke weed but please god let this happens. Gonna start a "bakery" as soon as it goes through

 

[True Blues]

Neither Obama nor Romney will turn America into a bleak hellscape

Posted by Ezra Klein on November 5, 2012 at 1:36 pm

We’re at the end of a long and bitter election, and so perhaps it’s worth taking a deep breath and admitting something that typically doesn’t get said until one candidate or the other delivers his concession speech: America will survive either way. Which isn’t to say the policy differences between the candidates aren’t real, and large. They are. But it’s not the end-times showdown that the two sides often suggest.

In December 2011, in Osawatomie, Kansas, President Obama said this election was a choice between a philosophy that states “we are better off when everybody is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules” and one that holds that “we are greater together than we are on our own.”

But Mitt Romney doesn’t believe everyone should be left to fend for themselves. He supports the continued existence of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, to name but a few. He thinks we need to regulate the financial sector (though he won’t say quite how) and that we should continue to pool taxpayer dollars to provide for the common defense. When he was governor of Massachusetts, he brought universal, government-financed health coverage to his state. Mitt Romney is a lot of things — many of them contradictory — but he’s not a Randian absolutist.

That said, the Romney ticket has been even more apocalyptic about the choice facing Americas. “We’re only inches away from no longer being a free economy,” he’s said on the campaign trail. His running mate, Paul Ryan, said Obama threatens “those Judeo-Christian values that made us a great nation in the first place.” I’m not even going to dignify that nonsense with a rebuttal.

This election isn’t a collision between a candidate who believes in unregulated free markets and a candidate who believes in state control. It’s not a fight between big government and small government (just look at Mitt Romney’s plans to boost defense spending by $2 trillion). It’s not a choice between rugged individualism and compassionate communitarianism, heartland values and coastal elites, or even Keynesian stimulus and austerity economics.

Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are well within the American consensus. In fact, they’re well within the Acela Quiet Car’s consensus. They’re blue state, Harvard-educated technocrats who like their information in chart form and their advisers sporting PhDs. They both believe in the genius of free markets, the necessity of a federal safety net, and the importance of a strong military. They don’t question the wisdom of the drug war, drone strikes or even most of the Bush tax cuts. Their records show they govern prudently, analytically, and honorably.

Which isn’t to say that this election isn’t consequential. It is. In fact, it’s unusually consequential, both in terms of policy and politics.

Here’s what will happen if President Obama is reelected: The Affordable Care Act will go into effect, more or less on schedule, ensuring that nearly every American has health insurance. The Dodd-Frank financial reforms will continue to be hammered out, and Wall Street will continue to be hemmed in. Whatever deficit-reduction deal we reach will include tax increases on richer Americans and defense cuts. The next Supreme Court vacancy will be filled by a Justice in the mold of Sotomayor or Kagan rather than Scalia or Alito.

Here’s what will happen if Mitt Romney wins: The Affordable Care Act will be repealed or reworked, depending on whether Democrats retain control of the Senate. The Dodd-Frank financial reforms will likely be gutted, either through legislation or through stocking the regulatory agencies with finance-friendly appointees who will interpret the rules in the ways Wall Street prefers. Whatever deficit-reduction deal we reach will not include taxes on high-income Americans or defense cuts, which means it will have to include more cuts to programs that serve low-income America. The next Supreme Court vacancy will be filled by a Justice in the mold of Scalia or Alito rather than Sotomayor or Kagan.

These aren’t visions of a world in which America tips into socialism or returns to a pre-New Deal policy consensus. But they are different visions. In Obama’s America, health insurance is extended to almost every American. In Romney’s America, as many as 50 million fewer people have health insurance, as he repeals the Affordable Care Act and cuts deep into Medicaid. In Obama’s America, taxes on the rich are even higher than they were in the Clinton years. In Romney’s America, programs for the poor have far less funding, and defense has far more. In Obama’s America, an opening on the Supreme Court will mean Roe v. Wade is safe, and Citizens United is under threat. In Romney’s America, it will be the reverse.

Economically, we can expect a quickened recovery under either president. The housing market is turning the corner, consumers are spending, banks are lending, debts are getting paid down, Europe is stabilizing, and recent months have seen steady job growth. As Bloomberg News writes, “No matter who wins the election tomorrow, the economy is on course to enjoy faster growth in the next four years as the headwinds that have held it back turn into tailwinds.”

That makes this election unusually politically important, as whoever wins will see their presidency, their party, and their policy agenda strengthened by the recovery. But whichever side ends up on the losing end of that recovery should take solace in the fact that, despite what they’ve heard, the other party almost certainly isn’t going to destroy the country, and in fact may even surprise to the upside.

 

[jordanlovah]

I just voted for President Obama. Everyone PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE, JUST ACT LIKE YOU'RE CAMPING OUT FOR SOME YEEZYS.
IT'S YOUR RIGHT....

On a SAD note....Racism in 2012 and beyond is alive and well! >:

 

[cj863]

Just voted

 

[lyonbc1]

I just voted for President Obama. Everyone PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE, JUST ACT LIKE YOU'RE CAMPING OUT FOR SOME YEEZYS.
IT'S YOUR RIGHT....

On a SAD note....Racism in 2012 and beyond is alive and well! >:

Sighhhhhhhhhhhh not even surprised




On a semi lighter note though, Herman Cain needs his own show on comedy central dude always brings the lulz even when he's serious

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

 

[Coupé It]

Future said that you can't win or lose debates. He was consistent through all four saying that, even even Obama and Biden performed better.
And he was right, look at the polls, they went right back to where they were before the first debate. In the end, Obama's performance in the first debate meant very little.

You're kidding right?

He wasn't right and I have looked at the polls. Obama at the end of September was up 5-8 points in the popular vote. Do you know how big of a lead that is. Today its either a dead heat and realclearpolitics.com has Obama losing the popular vote (by tenths of a percentage).

Obama lost a huge lead. After that first debate this election got a hell of a lot closer. Are you that clouded as well?

Damn, this is the exact type of thing I'm talking about.

 

[Ace Ready]

just came back from doing my civic duty.. having the polls right next to your house ftw

 

[venom lyrix]

just voted - no wait.

Today is an awful day on social media - the amount of stupidity from people who want to "fit in" is abundant. I hate people who talk and tweet just for the sake of doing so. No intelligence just spewing garbage they hear second hand. Even worse are people crying racist at people voting for either party.

Can't wait for the circus to be over.

 

[flacobey]

Did anyone know Washington, Oregon, and Colarado are voting on whether to legalize Marijuana
I don't smoke weed but please god let this happens. Gonna start a "bakery" as soon as it goes through

LEGALIZE IT!

 

[thytkerjobs]

Today is an awful day on social media - the amount of stupidity from people who want to "fit in" is abundant. I hate people who talk and tweet just for the sake of doing so. No intelligence just spewing garbage they hear second hand. Even worse are people crying racist at people voting for either party.
Can't wait for the circus to be over.

 

[ohmygosher]

going to sag my pants to vote.

I don't know why, but this had me weak.

 

[superblytrife]

Voted.  In and out within 15 minutes.  If it wasn't for me writing in random names (refuse to vote for the local southern, zealot Republicans), it would've been 5 minutes.  

Seeing people wait for hours makes me appreciate my small poll location one block from the crib.  Somehow, America needs to reform this whole process to make it more efficient for everyone, everywhere.  

 

[RustyShackleford]

You're kidding right?
He wasn't right and I have looked at the polls. Obama at the end of September was up 5-8 points in the popular vote. Do you know how big of a lead that is. Today its either a dead heat and realclearpolitics.com has Obama losing the popular vote (by tenths of a percentage).
Obama lost a huge lead. After that first debate this election got a hell of a lot closer. Are you that clouded as well?
Damn, this is the exact type of thing I'm talking about.

Smh, I'm not even going to get into it with you.

My bad, I said polls, I was referring to electoral college projections, . Popular vote don't matter

And how about you chill the hell down. I didn't attack you, I just disagreed with you.

 

[jking0821]

Voted.  In and out within 15 minutes.  If it wasn't for me writing in random names (refuse to vote for the local southern, zealot Republicans), it would've been 5 minutes.  

Seeing people wait for hours makes me appreciate my small poll location one block from the crib.  Somehow, America needs to reform this whole process to make it more efficient for everyone, everywhere.  

This may be me being super dumb and not feeling like doing research.

But why can't we open polls for a week or two? Are they afraid of fraud? The fraudsters will have more time to fake votes? I just don't get why they can't have open voting for 5 days so people don't have to wait 3 hours to vote

yeah i know #firstworldproblems

 

[jordanlovah]

This may be me being super dumb and not feeling like doing research.
But why can't we open polls for a week or two? Are they afraid of fraud? The fraudsters will have more time to fake votes? I just don't get why they can't have open voting for 5 days so people don't have to wait 3 hours to vote
yeah i know #firstworldproblems

and waiting for 3 hours to vote is a problem because what? voting has no resell value? please folks get your priorities in order.

AND before you go off, it's not an attack on you, i'm speaking to whoever reads this, you just happened to post it.

AND to address the original question...many polls are open earlier than Election Day. you can vote early at some polls or get an absentee ballot and mail it itn or drop off. however, many people choose to wait until it's actually Election Day, which is when all the voting shenanigans take place.

 

[thunderchunk69]

This generation is too wrapped up in showing people everything they do.

agreed, but who knows how past generations would have acted if they had the internet.

 

[shoeking2101]

Don't see how Romney will pull this off. He's made some significant progress recently, but it probably won't be enough.

The popular vote is a forgone conclusion, and it appears that the Electoral vote will be pretty soon as well.

 

[denni5themenace]

just voted - no wait.
Today is an awful day on social media - the amount of stupidity from people who want to "fit in" is abundant. I hate people who talk and tweet just for the sake of doing so. No intelligence just spewing garbage they hear second hand. Even worse are people crying racist at people voting for either party.
Can't wait for the circus to be over.

seriously. i don't go on my social media and front like i know more than others. but dudes are posting memes and ecards for who theyre voting for

 

[38816]

I suppose Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow on MSNBC stating how voting against Obama is racist isn't hilarious? Or how going against the constitution is bad, Romney responding to Obama's revenge is racist, Bill Lehrer saying how whites voting for Mitt Romney will be found and attacked by blacks.... Not like the Liberals are perfect angels too. Theres a reason why MSNBC is the struggle of news... Will bump this tommorow night or Wensday morning when Chris Matthews commits suicide after a Mitt Romney win.

this is why the right radio is hilarious

READ THIS ITS LULZY