***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dblplay1212]

The consequences likely include:

National security risks and violations of privacy rights of certain individuals. That’s probably why they were sealed in the first place.

But what do I know, courts just seal documents for no reason I guess.

Again, they seal them to protect the person being investigated. It's his primary rights, he can post the **** if we wants to and will have no consequences for doing so. It's not illegal foe him to post the search warrant for his own home. I mean freaking Georgetown law professors have said as much and you want to argue it. Stop speaking on things you know nothing about. Seems to be a common theme for you. I realize that severely limits what you'd be able to talk about, but we'd all be better for it.

 

[dblplay1212]

I think this goes one of two ways.

1. He took some docs, refused to return all of them when asked, so they executed a search warrant to get the docs for the national archives. Now returned, nothing further happens.

2. It's not as much the documents, but what he was doing with them. Full tin hat, he was trading docs for licenses/permits/cash from Russia/Saudi.

It's probably 1, but I'm hoping for 2 so he's charged with treason or something of that level and therefore rots in Supermax in Colorado.

 

[dblplay1212]

 

[whywesteppin]

given Trump's lawyers are hand-picked from the best of the best including guiliani, Dershowitz, fry cook, and more.... I'm sure Donald has nothing to worry about!

 

[elpablo21]

 

[frink85]

r/AgedLikeMilk

also, "a president has never had his home raided" reads like an #ESPNstat. No president has ever had his personal house raided in the month of August while in the northern hemisphere.

 

[dwalk31]

 

[dblplay1212]

Rought couple days for the orange hero.

 

[Belgium]

Rought couple days for the orange hero.

If you've ever seen/read parts of his previous deposition...
His only responses should be "I don't recall" and "5th"

 

[dblplay1212]

If you've ever seen/read parts of his previous deposition...
His only responses should be "I don't recall" and "5th"

 

[art vandelay]

Maybe it’s just me, but I think he will skate.

 

[Belgium]

Maybe it’s just me, but I think he will skate.

I think he'd probably get a hung jury even if he was charged with 50 crimes. Also take in mind that if he does get charged relatively imminently, a trial could be years away.
The current Texas Attorney General has been under indictment for securities fraud related stuff since 2015, he's still in office and delaying his trial.

 

[Belgium]

As part of the search, Trump's lawyers also received an inventory copy of everything that the feds were looking for and everything that was seized. Classified docs might be redacted in the inventory list but then you'd also know that they took classified docs.

 

[gry60]

I think this goes one of two ways.

1. He took some docs, refused to return all of them when asked, so they executed a search warrant to get the docs for the national archives. Now returned, nothing further happens.

2. It's not as much the documents, but what he was doing with them. Full tin hat, he was trading docs for licenses/permits/cash from Russia/Saudi.

It's probably 1, but I'm hoping for 2 so he's charged with treason or something of that level and therefore rots in Supermax in Colorado.

I don't think it's completely tin foil hat territory to assume 2. happened/is happening.

He famously opposed the recording of his WH discussion with Russian emissaries. Various foreign intelligence agencies scaled down their cooperation with US agencies during his term because they were afraid that information would be leaked to their adversaries. He gave Saudi Arabia access to nuclear technology.

We never heard of things like this happening with other presidents. I think 2. is very likely.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

Yang isn't really good at hiding it

 

[gry60]

As part of the search, Trump's lawyers also received an inventory copy of everything that the feds were looking for and everything that was seized. Classified docs might be redacted in the inventory list but then you'd also know that they took classified docs.

What are the penalties for lawyers who knowingly lie for their clients?

I hope it's worth it, especially when the guy is known for not paying for services when he's not 100% exonerated.

 

[Belgium]

I don't think it's completely tin foil hat territory to assume 2. happened/is happening.

He famously opposed the recording of his WH discussion with Russian emissaries. Various foreign intelligence agencies scaled down their cooperation with US agencies during his term because they were afraid that information would be leaked to their adversaries. He gave Saudi Arabia access to nuclear technology.

We never heard of things like this happening with other presidents. I think 2. is very likely.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that the crime(s) under investigation might also include obstruction of justice. After all, we now know from reporting and Trump's lawyers that DOJ was in contact with Trump's team throughout the past several months. Trump's attorneys insist they were cooperative, but I think the extraordinary step of the search warrant suggests DOJ started to believe at some point that Trump & co were lying about the documents they possessed and whether or not they fully complied with the return of the documents.

The Guardian reported that DOJ at some point were granted access to a storage space and witnessed classified docs. DOJ then requested that they install a padlock, which suggests the docs weren't secure whatsoever.

Later at some point, cooperation broke down and a search was ordered.

 

[Belgium]

What are the penalties for lawyers who knowingly lie for their clients?

I hope it's worth it, especially when the guy is known for not paying for services when he's not 100% exonerated.

Interesting question. I would assume that it'd be the same false statement charge that applies to anyone who intentionally makes false statements to investigators. I doubt lawyers have some sort of exemption or different statute. Unless you plead out, generally you get charged with obstruction as well when you lie to investigators.
If necessary, I think a lawyer lying for Trump could easily make the case that they were misled by their client Trump and therefore had no requisite intent to lie when making a false statement.

There's also a duty of candor I believe, so in such a hypothetical instance they might be subject to punishment by the Bar Association.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Just got a NYT alert that Trump took the 5th during his deposition today

 

[Belgium]

Just got a NYT alert that Trump took the 5th during his deposition today

Wow he finally did something smart, it's been a while. Pretty sure that's actually the first time he straight up pled the 5th instead of "I don't recall" nonsense and outright lying.

 

[Belgium]

As for the polar opposite of smart, some news about Rudy. Unclear if he's being summoned as a target or witness to the Georgia DA's grand jury.

 

[AEA18]

Just got a NYT alert that Trump took the 5th during his deposition today

“If you’re innocent, why are you taking the 5th amendment?”

 

[aepps20]

Just got a NYT alert that Trump took the 5th during his deposition today

 

[dwalk31]