***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[wavycrocket]

Have ya’ll heard about this? Jim ****ing Jordan should step down.

 

[IATT]

Maybe you’re just wrong.

wrong about what part?

the supreme court is going to review this ruling:

US supreme court case could give state politicians huge power over elections

Nation’s highest court to hear North Carolina case seeking to remove state courts’ oversight of elections for federal office

www.theguardian.com

Republicans have been actively seeking more control over the process:

How Republican States Are Expanding Their Power Over Elections (Published 2021)

In Georgia, Republicans are removing Democrats of color from local boards. In Arkansas, they have stripped election control from county authorities. And they are expanding their election power in many other states.

www.nytimes.com

they were unsuccessful last time and have actively worked to make sure they can be in the future

trump lost by 3 mill and then 7 million in the popular vote

the electoral college already favors republicans

and the public clearly don’t give enough of a shh about any of this

 

[heelsandeers]

If no one votes the "Independent State Legislature doctrine" will not be needed to perpetuate permanent minority rule in certain states

If you're in North Carolina for example, vote in the NC Supreme Court election in November as if your life depends on it

 

[tomdiginson]

I don’t give AF Hunter. Do your thing boss.

But they BETTER take his pistol permit away from him.

He can’t be out there smoking crack and dealing with hookers while running around his hotel room naked grabbing a pistol.

If he wants to be a danger to himself cool - Just not to others.

I think the reasonable worry with Hunter is that his actions could form a security threat. He has no role in government but either way it’s not a stretch that he could be vulnerable to blackmail. We don’t know exactly how much information is out there and who has access to it. With all the drug use, maybe even Hunter himself isn’t exactly sure.

Does it stack up to all the issues posed by Trump’s kids? Not in a million years but I don’t think it’s something to just gloss over.

If I'm Biden, I would have written him off as being dead. At this stage of his life, if your 52 year old son is out smoking crack and playing around with prostitutes while filming his actions, to hell with him.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Both NC and Wisconsin have important State Supreme Court elections but I fear that people don't know how important they are and the GOP will win both

 

[Coupé It]

If I'm Biden, I would have written him off as being dead. At this stage of his life, if your 52 year old son is out smoking crack and playing around with prostitutes while filming his actions, to hell with him.

Yup. But instead Joe puts him on boards of overseas fossil fuel companies. Too much privilege and narcissism and too much coddling.

Saw someone say “The wrong Biden son died”….

 

[RustyShackleford]

Yup. But instead Joe puts him on boards of overseas fossil fuel companies. Too much privilege and narcissism and too much coddling.

Saw someone say “The wrong Biden son died”….

You have a source for this?

 

[Coupé It]

You have a source for this?

You had to know this, you’re the political leader of NT. He was never qualified for these positions.

Hunter Biden Says Work For Ukrainian Firm Wasn't Unethical, But He Wouldn't Do It Again

U.S. President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, says in a forthcoming book that his service on the board of a Ukrainian gas firm at the center of the scandal that prompted ex-President Donald Trump's first impeachment wasn't unethical and didn't represent a lack of judgment on his part.

www.rferl.org

Hunter Biden, the black sheep who got Trump impeached, explained

A troubled guy at the center of the fake scandal that became a real scandal.

www.vox.com

 

[RustyShackleford]

You had to know this, you’re the political leader of NT.

Hunter Biden Says Work For Ukrainian Firm Wasn't Unethical, But He Wouldn't Do It Again

U.S. President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, says in a forthcoming book that his service on the board of a Ukrainian gas firm at the center of the scandal that prompted ex-President Donald Trump's first impeachment wasn't unethical and didn't represent a lack of judgment on his part.

www.rferl.org

Hunter Biden, the black sheep who got Trump impeached, explained

A troubled guy at the center of the fake scandal that became a real scandal.

www.vox.com

There is a difference between saying Hunter Biden got a job because he is the son of Joe Biden, and claiming Joe Biden put him on the board of an overseas fossil fuel company.

One of the articles you posted literally has a section talking about Joe Biden having nothing to do with Hunter getting the job...

Joe Biden didn’t do anything to help Hunter in Ukraine​

Back in 2014 after a change of regime in Ukraine, Hunter Biden joined the board of a scandal-plagued Ukrainian natural gas company named Burisma. Hunter had no apparent qualifications for the job except that his father was the vice president and involved in the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy.

He got paid up to $50,000 per month for the job and the situation constituted the kind of conflict of interest that was normally considered inappropriate in Washington until the Trump era. These days, of course, the president of the United States regularly accepts payments from foreign sources to his company while in office, and so do the Trump children. The Obama administration probably should have done something about this at the time, but the White House couldn’t literally force Hunter not to accept the job. And given the larger family context, you can see why Joe might have been reluctant to confront his son about it.

This would all be a small footnote in history except that by 2016, officials throughout the Obama administration and in Western Europe had come to a consensus that Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, wasn’t doing enough to crack down on corruption. Biden, as he later colorfully recounted, delivered the message that the West wanted Shokin gone or else loan guarantees would be held up, and Shokin was, in turn, fired.

There was nothing remotely controversial about this at the time. No congressional Republicans complained about it, and the European Union hailed the decision to fire Shokin. The reason there is video footage of Biden touting his personal role in this is it was considered a foreign policy triumph that Biden wanted to claim credit for, not anything sordid or embarrassing.

But Shokin, of course, didn’t want to go down on the theory that he was corrupt or incompetent. So he started offering another theory: he was fired for going after Burisma by Joe Biden operating on behalf of Hunter Biden.

The question of whether Shokin was actually investigating Burisma at all is a matter of dispute (the relevant Ukrainian players have told inconsistent stories), but this is clearly not the reason he was fired. The desire to push him out was fully bipartisan in the United States and reflected a consensus across European governments, not anything idiosyncratic to Biden.

The notion that firing Shokin was somehow problematic was not in the air until the New York Times ran a story co-bylined by Ken Vogel and a Ukrainian journalist named Iuliia Mendel (who a few weeks later would become Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s official spokesperson) highlighting Rudy Giuliani’s efforts at muckraking.


The worst you can say about any of this, however, was that Hunter’s position on the board was a standing conflict of interest that should have been avoided. There’s no evidence that Joe did anything wrong, specifically. But an examination of the life and times of Hunter Biden does provide a reminder that most Americans thought politics as usual was corrupt long before Trump arrived on the scene to make it more corrupt.

 

[Coupé It]

There is a difference between saying Hunter Biden got a job because he is the son of Joe Biden, and claiming Joe Biden put him on the board of an overseas fossil fuel company.

One of the articles you posted literally has a section talking about Joe Biden having nothing to do with Hunter getting the job...




So you can be snarky and call me whatever you want. But that doesn't make what you said true.

I wasn’t being snarky. I was actually surprised.

Very true. I worded it incorrectly. My bad.

Let me correct myself: Joe Biden didn’t get Hunter the job - but Hunter being the son of Vice President Joe Biden got him that job.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I wasn’t being snarky. I was actually surprised.

Very true. I worded it incorrectly. My bad.

Let me correct myself: Joe Biden didn’t get Hunter the job - but Hunter being the son of Vice President Joe Biden got him that job.

Fair enough

I didn't mean to come off so combative, apologies

It is just that Joe directly getting Hunter the job is a popular right-wing conspiracy. So when I read our post I wanted to push back on that specific point.

 

[Coupé It]

Fair enough

I didn't mean to come off so combative, apologies

It is just that Joe directly getting Hunter the job is a popular right-wing conspiracy. So when I read our post I wanted to push back on that specific point.

What matters is the truth by any mean necessary.

You have a right to go hard - especially with the current state of this country.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I will say, while I feel the Hunter Biden story is getting way more attention than it deserves, Hunter Biden offends my liberal egalitarian sensibilities deeply

 

[IATT]

 

[biggie62]

What matters is the truth by any mean necessary.

You have a right to go hard - especially with the current state of this country.

Nepotism is a normal part of the world today. You see it in high end schools, the higher end jobs, and board seats.

Republicans are as guilty if not more of it. Trump was the worse with his daughter and son in law working in the cabinet. That’s like a step no president has ever taken in the past.

 

[Coupé It]

I will say, while I feel the Hunter Biden story is getting way more attention than it deserves, Hunter Biden offends my liberal egalitarian sensibilities deeply

Well in my opinion he’s not even a a liberal. Judging on the things I’ve seen - running around in a hotel room naked high on crack while gripping a handgun was the dealbreaker for me.

His poor sister has tried to help. She’s at her wits end. I’m sure Joe has tried everything he could - and he’ll continue because Joe is a good guy. Since Beau died he hasn’t been the same.

 

[Coupé It]

Nepotism is a normal part of the world today. You see it in high end schools, the higher end jobs, and board seats.

Republicans are as guilty if not more of it. Trump was the worse with his daughter and son in law working in the cabinet. That’s like a step no president has ever taken in the past.

Nepotism and Capitalism go hand and hand.

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

wrong about what part?

I’m specifically objecting to:

Y’all acting like the votes going matter

But I think these people are making my point better than I am

We still have to show up and vote so that there is an election to steal
Can't make it easy for them and just give it to them

If no one votes the "Independent State Legislature doctrine" will not be needed to perpetuate permanent minority rule in certain states

If you're in North Carolina for example, vote in the NC Supreme Court election in November as if your life depends on it

 

[IATT]

I’m specifically objecting to:



But I think these people are making my point better than I am

if the necessary steps are not taking right now, the votes in 2024 won’t matter

i am not being facetious

they are setting up pretty much everything needed to go against the will of the people

we see it already when popular to immensely properly measures cannot be passed because of the power that is welded by the few

they literally tell on themselves but people keep believing some truly awful people will stop at some point

it‘s like the absurd assumptions that went into the whole trickle down economics BS.. the greedy are going be greedy and fight tooth and nail for everything they can get

 

[whywesteppin]

Nepotism and Capitalism go hand and hand.

nepotism and power do. it's human nature.

 

[Coupé It]

nepotism and power do. it's human nature.

You know what.

Maybe it’s just nature in general.

Male Lions kill every single cub that’s not there own blood when taking over a pride. (Millions of other animals do the same too)

 

[IATT]

 

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[IATT]

 

[Belgium]

Just a coffee boy