OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

[outkast9984]

I don't get how they mortgaged the future...they spread the picks over 3 years...so they only lose 1 pick in each next 2 years...yea it's a first but you have other picks...people over exaggerating here...no certainty that pick next year they get let's say in high teens would be very impactfull either...

 

[madj55]

fully agree with CP. there is NO need to trade away the next two or three drafts to gamble on QB's that are far from a sure bet. even if you have a sure bet, i dunno if price is worth it. because at the end of the day, you never even know if they are a sure bet

100% agree with this. There's not telling where a franchise QB can come from.

 

[IATT]

Damn Eagles mortgaged their future

Eagles have 20 picks in the next 3 drafts.. The standard is 21

7 picks this year.. 7 next year as of now.. 6 in 2018 as of now



And that's factoring in the 2nd that got traded for Bradford

 

[Mr.Guy]

Joey Bosa looks nice at #4 too hell cook with Rod Marineli.

 

[dmxfury]

I don't get how they mortgaged the future...they spread the picks over 3 years...so they only lose 1 pick in each next 2 years...yea it's a first but you have other picks...people over exaggerating here...no certainty that pick next year they get let's say in high teens would be very impactfull either...

Fair enough, this isn't as bad as other trades we've seen


But still a big haul by Ckeveland. Going to need the Browns to brown

 

[SneakerProSr.]

fully agree with CP. there is NO need to trade away the next two or three drafts to gamble on QB's that are far from a sure bet. even if you have a sure bet, i dunno if price is worth it. because at the end of the day, you never even know if they are a sure bet

Draft picks in general aren't a sure bet though.

Teams that draft well can acquire good players in any round and teams that don't can have a ton of picks and do nothing.

I'm not saying the Rams or Eagles are doing the right thing but this groupthink statement that they are mortgaing the future and are doomed to failure doesn't have historical precedent

The likelihood that they would keep all those picks, draft good players with most of them and find a good quarterback that isn't taken at rhe the top of the draft is just as unlikely that Goff or Wentz become elite quarterbacks.

 

[IATT]

I don't get how they mortgaged the future...they spread the picks over 3 years...so they only lose 1 pick in each next 2 years...yea it's a first but you have other picks...people over exaggerating here...no certainty that pick next year they get let's say in high teens would be very impactfull either...

Eagles have picked in the top 10 once in the last 15 years, lane Johnson in 2013

Even this year, our pick was 13 based on record




Yes Watson is better and would have gone 1st in this draft.. But guess what, whoever ends up at that spot next year ain't trading it

 

[outkast9984]

Exactly....Philly hardly ever picks in top 10...this was only chance to get a potential franchise qb so early...gotta go for it...they aren't getting lucky enough to move up in draft like they did this year...I think both teams did good...doesn't mean the pick will workout but let's be honest safe doesn't win superbowls...

 

[dmxfury]

Does taking chances? Again when has this worked? Actually wondering

 

[DeadsetAce]

Draft picks in general aren't a sure bet though.

Teams that draft well can acquire good players in any round and teams that don't can have a ton of picks and do nothing.

this is why you don't give away picks all willy nilly though. you need multiple picks to hit on a portion of them. give em away and lower your the number you hit on

 

[Clyde Frog]

fully agree with CP. there is NO need to trade away the next two or three drafts to gamble on QB's that are far from a sure bet. even if you have a sure bet, i dunno if price is worth it. because at the end of the day, you never even know if they are a sure bet

100% agree with this. There's not telling where a franchise QB can come from.

Watch Connor Cook in the 4th or whatever end up being the best QB in this draft.

 

[quell]

Anyone arguing what the Rams and Eagles did is blind to reality.

Reality is they are high profile cities where the GMs have to win instantly, or so they feel based on media.

Horrible moves regardless of the outcome structurally but clicks > all

 

[the collector]

He beat the Washington's.
Elitehill.
QB gets all credit too right?
Am I doing it right guys??
lol clowns.

He did. However we made the postseason. He's also beaten the Pats before. Means nothing in the grand scheme.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Draft picks in general aren't a sure bet though.

Teams that draft well can acquire good players in any round and teams that don't can have a ton of picks and do nothing.

this is why you don't give away picks all willy nilly though. you need multiple picks to hit on a portion of them. give em away and lower your the number you hit on

Quarterbacks have a higher positional value than any other position in football though.

A top borderline probowl 7-12 quarterback is worth more to a football team than 3 or 4 borderline probowl position players.

Joe Thomas is the best left tackle in football

Joe Haden is borderline elite

Alex Mack was a top 3 Center.

The Cleveland Browns where still a dumpster fire.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Draft picks in general aren't a sure bet though.

Teams that draft well can acquire good players in any round and teams that don't can have a ton of picks and do nothing.

this is why you don't give away picks all willy nilly though. you need multiple picks to hit on a portion of them. give em away and lower your the number you hit on

Quarterbacks have a higher positional value than any other position in football though.

A top borderline probowl 7-12 quarterback is worth more to a football team than 3 or 4 borderline probowl position players.

for sure. but we've seen top QBs come from from anywhere in the draft. probably more often than not, later in the draft

when i say "later"...i mean outside of the top 10 picks

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Draft picks in general aren't a sure bet though.

Teams that draft well can acquire good players in any round and teams that don't can have a ton of picks and do nothing.

this is why you don't give away picks all willy nilly though. you need multiple picks to hit on a portion of them. give em away and lower your the number you hit on

Quarterbacks have a higher positional value than any other position in football though.

A top borderline probowl 7-12 quarterback is worth more to a football team than 3 or 4 borderline probowl position players.

for sure. but we've seen top QBs come from from anywhere in the draft. probably more often than not, later in the draft

when i say "later"...i mean outside of the top 10 picks

Yes we have but if you want to win a Super Bowl that is not likely based on historical precedent.

 

[IATT]

for sure. but we've seen top QBs come from from anywhere in the draft. probably more often than not, later in the draft

Super bowl winners:

Couple years old:
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I think Rodgers was the last winner that list accounts for.. So since then it was:

Eli (1st overall)

Flacco (18th overall)

Wilson (3rd round)

Brady (6th round)

Peyton (1st overall)

 

[DeadsetAce]

^ how many top 10? i clarified that i meant outside of top 10 as in "later"


and what the ****...Dilfer was a 1st round pick?!? i totally missed that

 

[IATT]

^ how many top 10? i clarified i mean outside of top 10 as in "later"

The number they were selected is right on the left hand side of the jersey

Like the 11 next to Big Ben.. Or 7 next to Simms

 

[DeadsetAce]

^ how many top 10? i clarified i mean outside of top 10 as in "later"

The number they were selected is right on the left hand side of the jersey

Like the 11 next to Big Ben.. Or 7 next to Simms

ah gotcha. thanks.


that's a good chart

 

[Deleted member 37754]

fully agree with CP. there is NO need to trade away the next two or three drafts to gamble on QB's that are far from a sure bet. even if you have a sure bet, i dunno if price is worth it. because at the end of the day, you never even know if they are a sure bet

Agreed.

It would be interesting to know the percentages on successful QBs taken 1st overall, top 5, top 10, first round and then the rest.

Edit: successful meaning winning record as just a base stat line.

 

[Deleted member 37754]

He beat the Washington's.
Elitehill.
QB gets all credit too right?
Am I doing it right guys??
lol clowns.

He did. However we made the postseason. He's also beaten the Pats before. Means nothing in the grand scheme.

Lol I know man.
I was being sarcastic.

Also... he didn't beat the Washington's.

 

[sb]

I miss having good safety's

troy |I

^ how many top 10? i clarified that i meant outside of top 10 as in "later"


and what the ****...Dilfer was a 1st round pick?!? i totally missed that

fresno state football

 

[the collector]

Lol I know man.
I was being sarcastic.

Also... he didn't beat the Washington's.

MIA beat Washington last season in the first game. Maybe I read your post wrong.

 

[mister friendly]

Those number one quarterbacks have been to been to 21 Super Bowls combined.

Not to mention other productive quarterbacks who were picked top half of the first round...Kelly, Roesthlisberger, McNair, Griese, McNabb, Rivers, Ryan, Stafford, Palmer, Vick, Collins.