OFFICIAL NEW YORK KNICKS OFFSEASON THREAD: TRAINING CAMP

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Some recent headlines for today...

Kiki Vanderweigh said that he wanted the NY job and he thinks he could have turned this team around. He wanted to sit down with Dolan, but he couldnt even getDolan to talk to him SMH.

also Zach Randolph has been suspended one game for throwing his headband at an official and will not play tonight vs SA. SMH

Just more *#%* with this $$%$@%# team. It seems everyday it is something. Its just one big nightmare.

Get ARTEST!! Yes yalls make some good points, and i remember that old Marbury with heart and i wis we still had that same guy. But Artest is the best defenderin te NBa and is playing with heart, and the difference between the Marbury Knicks and now, is that we have a great pick in a great draft coming up. If we cansnag Arest, and hold onto guys like Crawford, Lee, and Nate, along with drafting one of the top 4 freshman thats not a bad core for next year and on. I say weDEFINITLEY go after Ron but hold onto David Lee

Also Damon Stodaumire wants out of Memphis, he may not be such a bad guy to pick up for next year or so. I like his game and Zeke drafted him, he would be anice pg to have for next year if we didnt go PG in the draft. If we can get him for a reasonable price i would go after "Mighty Mouse."

Also, this year is over and gettng Artest will not really effect our record this year we will still be a top 5 bad team and probably 1 or 2. i would say gethim when he is available and that is right now. Same goes with Stodoumire.
 
As far as I see it....we are doomed...we're not gonna have a winning season in a while as long as Dolan and Isiah keep this %+%* up...

Us Knick fans are looking into multiple trade scenarios that is most likely not gonna happen...the only player that any team would want out this team is DavidLee....Eddy Curry would've been a good move LAST year with the way he was on offense but now, ain't no team gon' take his soft #$%@....

We're $%#!$@....'nuff said....

EDIT: Imagine if we traded Frye is rookie year and Eddy last year....
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Kiki Vanderweigh said that he wanted the NY job and he thinks he could have turned this team around. He wanted to sit down with Dolan, but he couldnt even get Dolan to talk to him SMH.

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Kiki Vanderweigh said that he wanted the NY job and he thinks he could have turned this team around. He wanted to sit down with Dolan, but he couldnt even get Dolan to talk to him SMH.

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if you look at Rick Carlisle's track record. He had nothing but good results. Pacers assist coach to Larry Bird. With the Pistons, and with the Pacers.Especially during the time they only had 7 active players.
 
^ another guy I'd be interested in as head coach is Larry Bird.... you saw what he did in Indy in just two seasons......damn near beat the Bulls in 98 andtook the Lakers to 6 in the Finals..... If only he wasn't in the Pacers FO ............
 
I bet all the teams he coach were built better than this one.

I don't think Jesus coaching would make a difference, although Isiah does suck as a coach.
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Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat

^ another guy I'd be interested in as head coach is Larry Bird.... you saw what he did in Indy in just two seasons......damn near beat the Bulls in 98 and took the Lakers to 6 in the Finals..... If only he wasn't in the Pacers FO ............
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Larry Bird was a terrible Head Coach...he even credited all his success due to his assistants. Rick Carlisle was one of his top assistants.
 
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I bet all the teams he coach were built better than this one.

I don't think Jesus coaching would make a difference, although Isiah does suck as a coach.
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Not really. The year he made his big splash was the year he developed Chauncey, and Richard Hamilton. The pistons didnt think much of them at the time.Thats the reason why they have good cap space now. Most of the players are on their old contracts all besides Billups. You also have to consider the emergenceof Wallace as well. Dude was trash before Rick came into town.
 
Originally Posted by HarlemToTheBronx

I don't even want Artest, unless he comes with a big expiring contract.

Ron Artest will not help this team win. We'll be happy we got a quality player for a little while, but then we'll get frustrated and again wonder "where are the wins?"

Sound familiar, right?

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i think the media and fans made much more out of steph's homecoming...i dont remember him ever saying anything about wanting to come back to NY...especially not as much as Artest. every chance ron gets, every interview, every news paper article i read he says something about how much he wants to be back in NY, how he was so upset the knicks didn't draft him, and how he wants to come home and make a difference...no one is saying that Ron Artest is the second coming of Jesus...in fact...i dont even think Jesus could help us...Maybe a squad of Jesus, Buddha, Zeus could get something done...but the fact of the matter is that Ron would come and play with heart
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Nah, I remember Steph saying he would love to come home... maybe not as much as Artest, but he probably wasn't asked as much as Artest since back then the Knicks were a reasonably good team, and not really in a situation where they looked like they'd make a move for a guy like Stephon.
And one player playing with heart will only get us so far. Steph played with all the heart in the world when he got here. Look at him now. That's what constant losing does to a player.

And remember, this is Ron Artest we're talking about here. He's not exactly the quintessential good guy player. You really think someone like him will deal with all the crap that the Knick players have been dealing with? I mean, he wanted out of Indiana a year after they stood by him through the "attack of the killer players" fiasco.
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I agree. No Artest. I said it somewhere in this thread, I'm tired of the Knicks getting players who are just past their prime. How many GOOD yearsdo ya'll see left in Ron Ron? And I love Ron's game so I'm not just hating.
And like HTTB said, Artest is liable to explode at any second. Especially with such a negative atmopshere right now here in NY. You see Z-Bo right? Son gothere and was shocked at the crowd booing the team... Talking about that never happened with the crowd in Portland no matter how bad the Blazers were. Rudeawakening Zack.
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- You want Might Mouse GR8? Why??? At this point Nate > Damon. You do know that Stoudamire is going into his FIFTEETNTH season next year right?Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit.

- I agree that Carlisle is a good coach. Not sure if his laid back demeanor is a good fit for NY though. He'd probably do good regardless.

I don't think Jesus coaching would make a difference
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And I just wanted to reiterate:

I've never exactly been a Marbury fan.

But on the real, I'm rooting for him to have a monster season from here on out. I'm talking the old Steph. 20 and 8.

Not saying it'll make me like him all of a sudden. But I'm rooting for him.

I liked his comments about MSG and the city of NY:
"I miss the fans, the excitement, I miss the boos, the cheers," Marbury said. That's what makes New York what it is. If you're not from New York, you really don't understand that. You never grasp that."

So true.
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I said that 2 weeks ago. And Steph looks like he's headed in that direction.
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I'm a Kings fan and watch every single game start to finish. I've seen some Sacramento hate for Artest in here, but I completely disagree. Artest wouldreally help the Knicks. He's one of the best, if not the best, offense-defense combo player who isn't a 4 or 5. He'll guard the other team'sbest player, will post up and muscle in over any small forward in the league, hit the spot up 3 pointer, get you 2-3 steals per game as well as decent reboundand assist numbers. I'd love to get Lee or Randolph (I wish, rather) in return. Curry is intriguing for post-scoring, but he's trash on the boards,defense, and from the FT line--3 deficiencies the Kings really do not need more of with their current big-man rotation. You guys can keep Robinson. Bibby andUdrih will be enough at the PG position, and with Martin, Salmons, and Garcia, we always will have someone competent at the 2 position. But if I'm Petrie,no Lee, no deal.
 
^^^Randolph and Balkman for Artest an a player to make it work cap wise done deal

Z Bo would be nice in Sac because he is a sick scoring Pf one of the best in the league, definitley top 5 and he plays with great energy and fire and Balkmanhas the D (not AS good) and the hustle and even more athletisism than Artest without the salary and all of the offensive things yall Kings fan complain aboutArtest. And Lee should DEFINITLEY start for us anyway.

BTW curry played nicely today, Still lazy+!$# on D, but way more aggression offensively and on the glass. Take advantage of that and try to sell him toSacremento off of that game.
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BUT #$$*%*! CRAWFORD GOT HACKED!!!!!
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I'm saying again that Z-Bo and Curry will NOT have any chance of working at all...... when one or the other is out they play better and play harder.... ifonly the Knicks could play hard like this every night....... Isiah has to stay with a rotation and not make random changes.... Take Curry or Z-Bo out. Becauseboth of them together isn't working...... Start Lee or Rose along Curry or Z-Bo... He's gotta make this team gel.... At this point it's reallyamazing they have 8 wins playing this way to be honest
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^ur killin me with that clip. yo i had to be 6 years old watching that im pretty sure we still have that on tape. cried when we lost
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speaking of going back, if we play like we did last night, we will defeat the rockets tonight.
 
Just keep the L's comin..


we do not need Artest now...like stated it'd just be a trade to satisfy us when its made, but then W's would not follow

Scrap it all
 
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