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Skill wise, you can definitely make the argument that KG > TD.
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But your definition of someone being a TEAM player, while doing all that work, means something.
So Tim is clean, no flaws, Kobe had a huge flaw. Got it.
I know.
its all good CP, I hate Kobe, and I hate Jordan, and I hate Lebron....mostly as a product of their greatness. I can tolerate the Spurs because they were the underdog to the Lakers for most of both teams runs.
I try to stay out of Reggie Miller conversations because as a Pacer fan I know I get the
whenever I try to comment. But Kobe was definitely a monster, but I think his own drive to personally be great held him back some. Kobe will force up 5 shots, after missing 5 straight because he will be determine to get himself on track. It may be a "flaw", but he wouldn't be Kobe Bryant without that in him. I guess that may have sounded like a backhanded compliment, but dude seriously is a monster
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Lebron is from a different era than the kobe Duncan Dirk one.Lebron is just entering his prime when all those guys are in their twilight years, if that isn't a different era then idk what is
Kevin Garnett is no where near as good as Tim Duncan, NOWHERE NEAR IT
Kevin Garnett is no where near as good as Tim Duncan, NOWHERE NEAR IT
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dc eye dont see why you emphasize on EYE so much
whats the significance?
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whats the significance?
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Just wanted to quote this again because it's true...EVERYONE should read this. I'm shocked at how much access the writer got with Mike in his day to day life.
At the very least, it's a better waste of time than the one millionth Kobe/Raymone/whatever discussion going on right now.
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Paying respects mandc eye dont see why you emphasize on EYE so much
whats the significance?
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I certainly believe so. By the way, just out of curiosity, what do you make of the argument (for any good/great player) "his stats are inflated because he played on a bad team". I'm torn, because on one hand, defenses would key in on one transcendent player and let the rest of the scrubs do what they want. On the other hand, you're obviously the alpha dog because not a soul on your team is going to take any of your shots from you.
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I understand you're a Spurs fan, but to say KG is nowhere near Duncan I think is a stretch. While I do agree that Duncan has had the overall better career (hard to argue otherwise), don't you think KG's accomplishments would match Duncan's had their situaitons been different. Both were/are absolute beasts, but I've always wondered. When most compare the two players, they point to Duncan's accomplishments as the end all, be all to who is the better player.
Where did I say it was a HUGE flaw?But your definition of someone being a TEAM player, while doing all that work, means something.
So Tim is clean, no flaws, Kobe had a huge flaw. Got it.
I know.
I simply said that was a flaw in his game. He killed WITH that flaw. As I said, 2nd best SG I have ever seen.
Yes Duncan is clean. I am looking at it from a, "Who would I rather coach" perspective.
Tim Duncan is who I would pick. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want to coach Kobe.
But from what EYE see, Tim Duncan is more of a team player and that is important to me PERSONALLY.
That's great, for you. That doesn't make him the better overall player from 2000-2010 now does it? Just means you like him more and he's nice and friendly while the other one is an ***.
Mike is an *** too, maybe you prefer to have John Stockton cuz he was more coachable and was a TEAM player?
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What players are we debating now....
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Mid 00's KG, man, he was something else tho.
Look at what he did at 27. 24, 14, 5, 2 blocks, 1.5 steals, 50% 79 from the stripe.
Dunc at 27 was 22, 12, 3, 2.5 blocks, 1 steal, 50% and 60%.
And KG could guard ANYBODY 1 thru 5, step out and hit 20 footers with ease.
I dunno man, that is pretty ridiculous stuff right there.
Look at what he did at 27. 24, 14, 5, 2 blocks, 1.5 steals, 50% 79 from the stripe.
Dunc at 27 was 22, 12, 3, 2.5 blocks, 1 steal, 50% and 60%.
And KG could guard ANYBODY 1 thru 5, step out and hit 20 footers with ease.
I dunno man, that is pretty ridiculous stuff right there.
Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG and I bet any minute TMac will join the party. With Iverson as the 6th man.
See whatz I didz there?
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I actually don't like him more. I like Kobe more.
And as far as your smart Stockton/Jordan statement, maybe if the two players were a little closer in skill level I could go with that. But we all know Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>> Stockton. Not even close here.
As I said though, 2000-2010 Kobe vs. Duncan, you can go either way.
If you noticed, my argument was with someone saying Kobe is a better OVERALL (versatility) player than Duncan.
I never said Duncan > Kobe. I never said Kobe > Duncan. You seem to have morphed my words in your mind.
I said Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, you can go with EITHER 3 as the player of this era.
Fair enough.
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Missing the festivies, is NBA TV going to be doing replays?
I'm on my phone so I can't really go into it, but if they swapped careers and went the exact same routes with the same players then Tim Duncan would have won more than once with Boston for one thing, maybe could have won one with Minnesota, and his stats would have without a doubt blown KG's and the vast majority of bigs (outside of wilt, kareem and Hakeem) out of the water. No once in Tim Duncan's career did he ever truly dominate the basketball, if he ever had the chance it would have been an all out massacre.
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Man stop asking people hypothetical questions. All that will happen is they will answer it in a way you don't agree with and then you will argue about that.
Your thoughts on these numbers? Honestly I hadn't examined them like this, not saying one was more than another, just wondering what you thought of them each at thier peak years. I believe this was 03-04 if I remember right.
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So you're going to discuss KG and Duncan but leave out Dirk?
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Good god i wonder who actually pay ticket to see these all star celebrities games? :x
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Those aren't the same years. That's the 01 year for Duncan and the 04 year for Garnett. 2001-2002 was Tim Duncan's prime year, idk were comparing ages or prime years but if it's prime years Duncan's numbers are better. He's putting up these numbers while having to really share the ball and playing more of an inside game so his opportunity to get steals were significantly less. He also played on the ground for the most part, and didn't go for as many blocks as other bigs he was more of a shot deterrent. Tim Duncan took down prime shaq.
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