Official 2017 Boxing Thread: 12/16 - Billy Joe Saunders vs. David Lemieux HBO

[yungmatt]

Ortiz is going to ko wilder. Best heavyweight in boxing right now imo

 

[rfx45]

 

[freakydestroyer]

 

[wballz]

You mean what the **** was SHE watching, that was the most lop sided score card she probably just wrote down numbers...

Can't believe the corrupt Judge (Adelaide Byrd) was supposed to be a judge in UFC 216.

I hope judges like these get exposed in the UFC. So Dana can expose the judge and that Judge will never work as a professional combat sports judge again.

 

[blackcease]

Never really see these types of situations in MMA though. I can't even think of one. Controversial close fights yes, but straight up crooked judging, not that I can think of.

Which suggests that most of these crooked decisions come from boxing promoters paying off judges, because if it was the casinos or random high rollers then you'd see it more often on the MMA side too since they have the same state appointed judges.

 

[Bobby Layne]

 

[Bobby Layne]

It makes sense now why Kov had some problems in the Russian amateur system.

 

[illphillip]

Never really see these types of situations in MMA though. I can't even think of one. Controversial close fights yes, but straight up crooked judging, not that I can think of.

Which suggests that most of these crooked decisions come from boxing promoters paying off judges, because if it was the casinos or random high rollers then you'd see it more often on the MMA side too since they have the same state appointed judges.

This isn't going to mean much, because I can't think of any examples offhand, but I'm almost certain it has happened in MMA fights. Just not fights of this magnitude and the fact that MMA has far less rounds makes the score discrepancies less obvious.

But I can recall Rogan being very critical of the judges on a few occasions.

 

[yungmatt]

It makes sense now why Kov had some problems in the Russian amateur system.

This dude is a head case lol

 

[Xennial]

Former English Soccer player Rio Ferdinand turning pro in boxing as HW, I guess he's seeing how the UK is so loaded in HWs right now and wants to get in the mix

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/09/18/rio-ferdinand-become-professional-boxer-age-38/

 

[blackcease]

This isn't going to mean much, because I can't think of any examples offhand, but I'm almost certain it has happened in MMA fights. Just not fights of this magnitude and the fact that MMA has far less rounds makes the score discrepancies less obvious.

But I can recall Rogan being very critical of the judges on a few occasions.

Yeah it's definitely possible, but some of these boxing decisions are so damn flagrant its ridiculous. 118-110 is the scorecard equivalent of "all y'all can suck my ****", and the executive director was still defending her. And that's far from the first one. And alot of people (like me) weren't even surprised.

But yeah I wouldn't doubt it could've happened in MMA, maybe they're just not as bold with it.

 

[freakydestroyer]

In MMA, the biggest stars have been KTFO several times before. Records are not as protected like in boxing.

 

[shogun]

This isn't going to mean much, because I can't think of any examples offhand, but I'm almost certain it has happened in MMA fights. Just not fights of this magnitude and the fact that MMA has far less rounds makes the score discrepancies less obvious.

But I can recall Rogan being very critical of the judges on a few occasions.

The diego sanchez and leonard garcia fights where they get used as a punching bags and still get the decision. Those judges aren't getting paid off though, they just absolutely suck.

 

[blackcease]

In MMA, the biggest stars have been KTFO several times before. Records are not as protected like in boxing.

Pretty much. I wouldn't say all the biggest stars have been KTFO several times , but taking an L in MMA definitely ain't the end of the world.

 

[Bobby Layne]

RIP

 

[Xennial]

Wilder Ortiz Press Conference Kick off Live right now. They couldn't get Ortiz to that building so they have him on a phone speaking Spanish and his translator speaks through the phone to explain what he just said.

 

[Bobby Layne]

Beterbiev

 

[freakydestroyer]

BOMBZQAD

Anyway, this Friday and Saturday

 

[monstar]

Never really see these types of situations in MMA though. I can't even think of one. Controversial close fights yes, but straight up crooked judging, not that I can think of.

Which suggests that most of these crooked decisions come from boxing promoters paying off judges, because if it was the casinos or random high rollers then you'd see it more often on the MMA side too since they have the same state appointed judges.

That has nothing to do with it. Hard to see a score as lopsided when fights are only 3-5 rounds, you cant get much discrepancy there. Also with so many different ways to score, a few punches = a takedown and position down. Also there have still been times where judges have messed up. It didnt ruin the fight but Rogan and White have blasted officials before.

This is the first time you've heard a sanctioning body comment and say someone had an off night. Max Kellerman and others have repeatedly said over the years the judges should have to answer questions the same way the fighters do

I thought Bellew and SOG were gearing up to fight?

Cant remember the last time Haye has proven he can win a fight that actually means anything

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

^
Like the last fight, the presser's and promo will be more exciting than the actual fight.

 

[Xennial]

Bombshell interview with Amir "Hardcore" Mansour, at the 58:20 min mark he says that a member of the Cuban National Boxing team says King Kong is at least 48 years old and Deontay Wilder could very well be fighting a 50 year old man

 

[trueprada]

We kept @TexasTy95 busy today: here he is on @BronzeBomber and Luis Ortiz, unbeatens who fight in Brooklyn on Nov. 4

https://t.co/fkyofRhAkt

 

[blackcease]

That has nothing to do with it. Hard to see a score as lopsided when fights are only 3-5 rounds, you cant get much discrepancy there. Also with so many different ways to score, a few punches = a takedown and position down. Also there have still been times where judges have messed up. It didnt ruin the fight but Rogan and White have blasted officials before.

So you basically just said MMA is sometimes harder to judge because there's more criteria and there's been times the judges messed up because of it, which I completely agree with. And that actually only proves my point even more, because you're basically saying even when there are bad decisions in MMA it's because it's harder to judge, not because of corruption. So it seems like we're agreeing? Not sure what you mean by that has nothing to do with it

 

[swerve]

I did not see Andre Ward’s retirement coming smh

 

[Nike Jordan]