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Witch hunt 
Have you not seen the toxic environment he's created there? Lmfao
Have you not seen the toxic environment he's created there? Lmfao
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Sort of. The last class Chip was there for (2012) only has a couple of guys left that include Pharaoh Brown, Dwayne Stanford, Jeff Lockie (ugh), and Evan Baylis. The 2013 class, that he helped put together before he left still has guys like Darren Carrington, Devon Allen, Johnny Mundt, Tyree Robinson.
So, to answer your question... Most of Chip's guys are gone. Gonna be a couple more years before we really know if Helfrich can sustain what Chip started (word to Kylo Ren)
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its obvious you have the pitch fork out. He OFFERS another QB, he didn't say we're signing you both. He OFFERED. You know, maybe just in case,
And yeah, I'm giving black coaches more leeway (more specifically a good coach like Sumlin) especially since the white people with money who control the hiring and firing don't give them ANY shots.
That still doesn't mean a second offer out to another QB is wrong. It completely is not.
Example. Butch Jones told Carlin -fils, I'm taking One RB, you are my guy... Do u know how many other RBs had offers... At least 5. It's a cover your *** move.
The second Sumlin stops winning, and does something worthy of being fired, I will join in on the witch hunt klan posse, but until then y'all look stupid being mad about another QB offer going out
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2017 Tee Higgins de committed from Vols , looks to be Clemson. Amari may just rocking with Tee and Dabo
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2018 class QB Matt Corral commits to USC 
Hope this one sticks.
Hope this one sticks.
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Remember watching him tear up the HS games around here, then announcing Oregon and knowing he'd be the next one up. Sad his career is over before it really began. He'll be good though, smart kid and lots of support around him. Just happy he didn't take the Lyerla route after his injury.
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The takes in here on Sumlin, even from Aggie fans, are laughable.
Losing trust is such a speculative narrative
Sure Sumlin didn't handle the QB situation perfectly, but the Murray family was so toxic to the situation
It's hard for me to assert fault in that whole situation with the various issues of Spav and the Murrays.
And I really hope Sumlin didn't tell Martell he would be the only QB in the class. That style of recruiting was eventually part of the Mack Brown downfall
Losing trust is such a speculative narrative
Sure Sumlin didn't handle the QB situation perfectly, but the Murray family was so toxic to the situation
It's hard for me to assert fault in that whole situation with the various issues of Spav and the Murrays.
And I really hope Sumlin didn't tell Martell he would be the only QB in the class. That style of recruiting was eventually part of the Mack Brown downfall
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The takes in here on Sumlin, even from Aggie fans, are laughable.
Losing trust is such a speculative narrative
Sure Sumlin didn't handle the QB situation perfectly, but the Murray family was so toxic to the situation
It's hard for me to assert fault in that whole situation with the various issues of Spav and the Murrays.
And I really hope Sumlin didn't tell Martell he would be the only QB in the class. That style of recruiting was eventually part of the Mack Brown downfall
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He gets it. I may not agree with the way Sumlin is handling the quarterbacks in CS but fall back options should always be taken into consideration.
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Callaway in trouble? I hate the gators but come on man 
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Been a Twitter rumor all day yesterday but literally no source where it came from.
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Came from UF boards last week. Calloway & Treon
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I read its the same case Treon had his freshman season with the sexual assault, but Treon ain't in touble this time.
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Best of luck to him, hopefully he stays out of trouble.
Best of luck to him, hopefully he stays out of trouble.
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I don't think anyone has an issue with lining up backup plans. In fact, A&M has done a pretty piss poor job of doing just that two years running.
But perception is reality. And whether some of you want to believe it or not, it isn't "speculative narrative" that kids don't trust Kevin Sumlin and aren't comfortable with how the show is being run down there. I talk to plenty of dudes I coached with in DFW who had kids A&M recruited and went elsewhere for exactly that fact.
And it's got nothing to do with job security, because he lost all those kids to Charlie Strong, whose seat is every bit as hot.
The Allen/Murray situation caused the whole thing to go nuclear. It was an unprecedented, unmitigated disaster. And it's not a secret both left because of Kevin Sumlin. Murray hated him. He tossed Kyle Allen under the bus and backed over him.
It's a **** show right now. Can it be fixed? Sure. But it's off the rails right now and has been for awhile.
All that said, I do have a hard time pinning getting into bed with the Murrays on Sumlin... I think he was told pretty explicitly to do whatever it took to not lose that kid to Texas. And it blew up in everyone's face.
But perception is reality. And whether some of you want to believe it or not, it isn't "speculative narrative" that kids don't trust Kevin Sumlin and aren't comfortable with how the show is being run down there. I talk to plenty of dudes I coached with in DFW who had kids A&M recruited and went elsewhere for exactly that fact.
And it's got nothing to do with job security, because he lost all those kids to Charlie Strong, whose seat is every bit as hot.
The Allen/Murray situation caused the whole thing to go nuclear. It was an unprecedented, unmitigated disaster. And it's not a secret both left because of Kevin Sumlin. Murray hated him. He tossed Kyle Allen under the bus and backed over him.
It's a **** show right now. Can it be fixed? Sure. But it's off the rails right now and has been for awhile.
All that said, I do have a hard time pinning getting into bed with the Murrays on Sumlin... I think he was told pretty explicitly to do whatever it took to not lose that kid to Texas. And it blew up in everyone's face.
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That is probably where Sumlin messed up, should have told Murray if you come here you'll redshirt a year or you can go to Texas, at least that way you would have still kept Allen.
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Look, no one's saying fall back options are bad. People are saying if you know you need fall back options or to take multiple recruits in a class, then DON'T tell one of those recruits you're not looking at anyone else, just to get him to commit. Stop making promises you know you can't and won't keep. That's the criticism. No one is forcing him to tell Tate Martell, Kyler Murray, etc. these things. He's doing it to himself.
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when you have zero qb's on your roster why would you only take 1 QB in the first place?
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Sumlin getting a lot of love in here.
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That's the biggest issue here.
And he keeps doing this with the kids who are supposed to be the most bought in and lead his team. It's just odd.
And Mike is exactly right. They need to take two quarterbacks. They initially made that promise to Tate when Kyler and Kyle were there. Obviously circumstances have changed... But for whatever reason they reassured him a week ago he was their only guy when he was on campus.
Right, wrong or otherwise, it's perceived as being untrustworthy. And it's becoming all too common down there.
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I most definitely think Sumlin was pressured into taking Murray because if Murray goes to Texas pretty much the every top prospect in Texas who was uncommitted going into signing day was inking with Texas. Most assuredly a gang of the top 2016 guys were going to Texas too. That for the most part happened anyway but Murray had that pull.
Most of the issues going on at A&M may be over Sumlin's head but he's definitely not getting the benefit of the doubt, whether that's fair or not.
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does he make it a habit to go out drinking by himself? Where his boys at? How do they let him wither away like that?
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Satisfied by the Miami class. Ready for Richt to coach 'em up
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And if he's gone this thread is on to another coach you'll be crying about.
You on a 3-4 coach run with it
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I'm kind of surprised no SEC or Big XII program has thrown some money at Mike Sherman to be an OL coach.
Beside's QB, it's the position group that has seen the biggest dip in play since the JFF era for A&M.
Beside's QB, it's the position group that has seen the biggest dip in play since the JFF era for A&M.
