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What about Elbert Mack?
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What about Elbert Mack?
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Mack has lost his spot to EJ Biggers, Biggers is Nice. like really nice.
but the thing on Mack, while he was probably the worst DB in the league during the 1st half of last season,  the 2nd half he got blamed for stuff that wasnt him. Midway thru the season Raheem switched back to Tampa 2 and the reason Mack looked bad then was Sabby was not in places he should have been. Sabby was consistently the worst defender the Bucs had all of last yr ( thats not from me, its from someone inside the Bucs organization
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Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason

What about Elbert Mack?
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Yuku X Iphone = Failure

what I originally typed was :

Mack has lost his spot to EJ Biggers, Biggers is Nice. like really nice.
but the thing on Mack, while he was probably the worst DB in the league during the 1st half of last season,  the 2nd half he got blamed for stuff that wasnt him. Midway thru the season Raheem switched back to Tampa 2 and the reason Mack looked bad then was Sabby was not in places he should have been. Sabby was consistently the worst defender the Bucs had all of last yr ( thats not from me, its from someone inside the Bucs organization
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I'm still cracking up you get a text one night saying "You're second string now."

How's that Steeler O-Line looking?

Spievey moving to safety?
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I'm still cracking up you get a text one night saying "You're second string now."

How's that Steeler O-Line looking?

Spievey moving to safety?
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Glover Quin, right, is an unheralded key to 2010 for the Texans.

The Detroit Tigers of the late 1970s and early 1980s were one of the most talented teams in baseball. Jack Morris, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker and Lance Parrish, the centerpieces of those Tigers rosters, put Detroit in contention for the AL East title in multiple seasons.

Those four were rightfully considered indispensible -- but as great as they were, none was the key to the Tigers finally putting it all together and winning the World Series in 1984. That honor belonged to Willie Hernandez, a relief pitcher acquired in a trade with Philadelphia only a week and a half before Opening Day.

Hernandez was brought in to help turn around maybe the only weak link on this incredibly skilled squad. Detroit had finished the 1983 campaign with only 28 saves (the fourth-lowest total in the majors that year).

Hernandez's 32 saves helped vault the Tigers to a tie for the MLB lead in that category in 1984 -- en route to Hernandez winning the AL MVP and Cy Young awards.

The NFL has more than a few candidates who could have a similar impact in 2010. Here are eight guys who aren't seen as the pivotal personnel points for their team's Super Bowl chances, but whom the numbers say are the really important players for getting their team to the title contest.

Cincinnati Bengals
Almost all of the offseason attention on the Bengals has been focused on Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, but the cornerstone to their success this year will be if Carson Palmer can step up his downfield passing game. His 9.3 vertical yards per attempt (YPA) total was tied for 23rd last season (vertical passes being defined as balls thrown 11 or more yards in the air). If he can move that number up over the 11-yard mark, it would give the Cincinnati offense the balance it needs to keep teams from overloading the box against Cedric Benson.

Dallas Cowboys
The ability of Terence Newman to stop opposing vertical threats might be the most important factor in determining whether the Silver and Blue will get to be the first team to host a Super Bowl. Newman's 10.2 vertical YPA allowed last year was the fourth-worst among cornerbacks thrown at vertically 40 or more times last year. That needs to be improved in a big way considering that Newman's wide receiver matchups this year include Calvin Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Devery Henderson, DeSean Jackson, Justin Gage and Joey Galloway.

San Francisco 49ers
Alex Smith is in the spotlight here, but Michael Crabtree could have the biggest positive impact on this offense if he develops his short-pass receiving game. Crabtree's 4.3 YPA in this category last year ranked fourth from the bottom of the league. If he can showcase the run-after-catch skills he displayed in college, it will turn a huge weakness for the San Francisco offense into a huge strength.

Tennessee Titans
Check out some of the passing offenses the Titans will face: Houston and Indianapolis twice, Dallas, the Giants, Philadelphia and San Diego. Cortland Finnegan is assumed to be the strong point of Tennessee's secondary -- but he had an off year in 2009 (8.0 YPA, ranked tied for 66th). His history suggests he is capable of much better, and if he plays to his earlier levels, it will allow Jeff Fisher to give the other cornerbacks some much-needed coverage assistance.

Miami Dolphins
Sean Smith had maybe the most Jekyll-and-Hyde season of anyone in the NFL last year. His 65.1 percent success rate (defined as the percentage of incompletions and offensive pass interference penalties drawn by the cornerback) topped the league, but it was offset by the 31.0 yards per completion/defensive penalty he gave up. That total was last in the league by eight yards. If Smith can keep the high rate of incompletions while doing a better job of stopping the big play, one significant part of the Dolphins' questionable secondary equation will be solved.

San Diego Chargers
Want to know why Philip Rivers doesn't seem to be too worried about not having Vincent Jackson in the lineup? Look no further than Malcom Floyd. Floyd's 10.8 YPA last year was only one-half yard behind Jackson's 11.3 YPA mark -- and his vertical numbers were also nearly identical (13.1 for Jackson, 12.9 for Floyd). According to the numbers in my fantasy football draft guide, Floyd also fared nearly as well as Jackson when facing varying levels of cornerback competition. If he repeats that performance in 2010, San Diego's title chances could still be alive and well.

New York Jets
Jerricho Cotchery hasn't received a lot of air time on "Hard Knocks," but his performance while filling in for the suspended Santonio Holmes across the first four weeks may determine how well the Jets' offense can move in those all-important contests (three of which are against AFC East teams).

The lineup matchups have Cotchery facing three red-rated cornerbacks in those games (a red-rating indicating it is a very tough matchup). Braylon Edwards, on the other hand, is slated to face zero red-rated coverage players during that time. That means the defenses will rotate coverage to Edwards' side, thus giving Cotchery single coverage. An explosive showing in that one-on-one environment could make all the difference in whether or not New York can live up to its massive preseason hype.

Houston Texans
To get an idea of just how good cornerback Glover Quin was last season, consider that coach Gary Kubiak said Quin was his second choice as rookie of the year. As impressive as his opening professional campaign was, he'll have to show an even more eclectic variety of coverage talents this season against a set of matchups that includes elite possession receivers (Anquan Boldin, New York's Steve Smith) and dominant vertical threats (Miles Austin, Reggie Wayne and DeSean Jackson). If Quin holds up against this group of wideouts, Houston will be halfway home to winning these potential shootout contests.
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Glover Quin, right, is an unheralded key to 2010 for the Texans.

The Detroit Tigers of the late 1970s and early 1980s were one of the most talented teams in baseball. Jack Morris, Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker and Lance Parrish, the centerpieces of those Tigers rosters, put Detroit in contention for the AL East title in multiple seasons.

Those four were rightfully considered indispensible -- but as great as they were, none was the key to the Tigers finally putting it all together and winning the World Series in 1984. That honor belonged to Willie Hernandez, a relief pitcher acquired in a trade with Philadelphia only a week and a half before Opening Day.

Hernandez was brought in to help turn around maybe the only weak link on this incredibly skilled squad. Detroit had finished the 1983 campaign with only 28 saves (the fourth-lowest total in the majors that year).

Hernandez's 32 saves helped vault the Tigers to a tie for the MLB lead in that category in 1984 -- en route to Hernandez winning the AL MVP and Cy Young awards.

The NFL has more than a few candidates who could have a similar impact in 2010. Here are eight guys who aren't seen as the pivotal personnel points for their team's Super Bowl chances, but whom the numbers say are the really important players for getting their team to the title contest.

Cincinnati Bengals
Almost all of the offseason attention on the Bengals has been focused on Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, but the cornerstone to their success this year will be if Carson Palmer can step up his downfield passing game. His 9.3 vertical yards per attempt (YPA) total was tied for 23rd last season (vertical passes being defined as balls thrown 11 or more yards in the air). If he can move that number up over the 11-yard mark, it would give the Cincinnati offense the balance it needs to keep teams from overloading the box against Cedric Benson.

Dallas Cowboys
The ability of Terence Newman to stop opposing vertical threats might be the most important factor in determining whether the Silver and Blue will get to be the first team to host a Super Bowl. Newman's 10.2 vertical YPA allowed last year was the fourth-worst among cornerbacks thrown at vertically 40 or more times last year. That needs to be improved in a big way considering that Newman's wide receiver matchups this year include Calvin Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Devery Henderson, DeSean Jackson, Justin Gage and Joey Galloway.

San Francisco 49ers
Alex Smith is in the spotlight here, but Michael Crabtree could have the biggest positive impact on this offense if he develops his short-pass receiving game. Crabtree's 4.3 YPA in this category last year ranked fourth from the bottom of the league. If he can showcase the run-after-catch skills he displayed in college, it will turn a huge weakness for the San Francisco offense into a huge strength.

Tennessee Titans
Check out some of the passing offenses the Titans will face: Houston and Indianapolis twice, Dallas, the Giants, Philadelphia and San Diego. Cortland Finnegan is assumed to be the strong point of Tennessee's secondary -- but he had an off year in 2009 (8.0 YPA, ranked tied for 66th). His history suggests he is capable of much better, and if he plays to his earlier levels, it will allow Jeff Fisher to give the other cornerbacks some much-needed coverage assistance.

Miami Dolphins
Sean Smith had maybe the most Jekyll-and-Hyde season of anyone in the NFL last year. His 65.1 percent success rate (defined as the percentage of incompletions and offensive pass interference penalties drawn by the cornerback) topped the league, but it was offset by the 31.0 yards per completion/defensive penalty he gave up. That total was last in the league by eight yards. If Smith can keep the high rate of incompletions while doing a better job of stopping the big play, one significant part of the Dolphins' questionable secondary equation will be solved.

San Diego Chargers
Want to know why Philip Rivers doesn't seem to be too worried about not having Vincent Jackson in the lineup? Look no further than Malcom Floyd. Floyd's 10.8 YPA last year was only one-half yard behind Jackson's 11.3 YPA mark -- and his vertical numbers were also nearly identical (13.1 for Jackson, 12.9 for Floyd). According to the numbers in my fantasy football draft guide, Floyd also fared nearly as well as Jackson when facing varying levels of cornerback competition. If he repeats that performance in 2010, San Diego's title chances could still be alive and well.

New York Jets
Jerricho Cotchery hasn't received a lot of air time on "Hard Knocks," but his performance while filling in for the suspended Santonio Holmes across the first four weeks may determine how well the Jets' offense can move in those all-important contests (three of which are against AFC East teams).

The lineup matchups have Cotchery facing three red-rated cornerbacks in those games (a red-rating indicating it is a very tough matchup). Braylon Edwards, on the other hand, is slated to face zero red-rated coverage players during that time. That means the defenses will rotate coverage to Edwards' side, thus giving Cotchery single coverage. An explosive showing in that one-on-one environment could make all the difference in whether or not New York can live up to its massive preseason hype.

Houston Texans
To get an idea of just how good cornerback Glover Quin was last season, consider that coach Gary Kubiak said Quin was his second choice as rookie of the year. As impressive as his opening professional campaign was, he'll have to show an even more eclectic variety of coverage talents this season against a set of matchups that includes elite possession receivers (Anquan Boldin, New York's Steve Smith) and dominant vertical threats (Miles Austin, Reggie Wayne and DeSean Jackson). If Quin holds up against this group of wideouts, Houston will be halfway home to winning these potential shootout contests.
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Elbert Mack has looked awful since 2008. EJ Biggers has outplayed him... Mack's probably #4 CB on the roster. Biggers has been all over the field lately and he just puts himself in positions to make plays and negate yards after catch/contact.
 
Elbert Mack has looked awful since 2008. EJ Biggers has outplayed him... Mack's probably #4 CB on the roster. Biggers has been all over the field lately and he just puts himself in positions to make plays and negate yards after catch/contact.
 
The most valuable NFL team is the Dallas Cowboys: Its value increased a league high 9%, to $1.8 billion. The team, worth more than any other sports franchise in the world, save soccer club Manchester United ($1.84 billion), moved into its new $1.25 billion stadium last season and sold out every regular season game with the league's highest average ticket price, $160.

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The most valuable NFL team is the Dallas Cowboys: Its value increased a league high 9%, to $1.8 billion. The team, worth more than any other sports franchise in the world, save soccer club Manchester United ($1.84 billion), moved into its new $1.25 billion stadium last season and sold out every regular season game with the league's highest average ticket price, $160.

Rest of the list, here.
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[h3]'Knocks' reveals Jets' internal depth chart[/h3]
[h3]http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/16956/knocks-reveals-jets-internal-depth-chart[/h3]

Storylines for this week's episode of "Hard Knocks" focused on the New York Jets' fringe players, laying the groundwork for drama on final cutdown day in a couple weekends.

Most revealing from my perspective was the chance to eavesdrop on general manager Mike Tannenbaum and head coach Rex Ryan discussing their roster numbers. On a dry-erase board, Tannenbaum tried to do the math and gave a glimpse of what the 53-man roster will look like, more or less.

Next to the team's official depth chart, Tannenbaum scrawled out the number of players they plan to keep at each position, with the caveat they can adjust for special teams.

Offense (25 players):
  • Three quarterbacks
  • Five running backs
  • Five wide receivers (including Santonio Holmes)
  • Four tight ends
  • Eight offensive linemen
Defense (23 players):
  • Six defensive linemen
  • Four outside linebackers
  • Four inside linebackers
  • Five cornerbacks (I think because I couldn't decipher the abbreviation)
  • Four safeties (I think for the same reason)
Add a kicker, punter and long-snapper, and that's 51 players, leaving two special-teams spots for everybody else to fight over.

The show suggested the bubble players were running back Danny Woodhead, fullback Jason Davis, receivers David Clowney and Larry Taylor, tight end Matthew Mulligan and linebacker Lance Laury.

Injuries, of course, can impact the numbers. The breakdown was done before defensive end Ropati Pitoitua suffered a season-ending torn Achilles tendon in Saturday's preseason game against the Carolina Panthers.

Pitoitua's injury was significant for Rodrique Wright, who had an "X" next to his name on the depth chart, suggesting the Jets planned to cut him.

"Hey, you going to make this [expletive] team?" Ryan says to Wright on the sideline after learning of Pitoitua's injury. "This kid just tore his [expletive] Achilles. Or do I need to pick somebody else up?"

"Hard Knocks" revealed others with an "X" next to his name or a "PS" to indicate practice squad. For effect, "Hard Knocks" slowly panned all the name plates to set up the scene. That helped determine who'd been labeled in the shots that showed Tannenbaum sketching out the roster.

These were the other "X" players still on the roster I could decipher thanks to the high-def on my big-screen plasma: quarterback Kellen Clemens, running back Chauncey Washington, center Robby Felix, guard Marlon Davis and tackles Dan Gay and Michael Turkovich. An "X" also appeared next to a blank spot at fullback, suggesting Jason Davis.

These were the "PS" players: defensive linemen Matthew Kroul, Ty Steinkuhler and Martin Tevaseu and safety Emanuel Cook.

Also notable about the depth chart, rookie Vladimir Ducasse was above Matt Slauson at left guard. Shonn Greene was on top of LaDainian Tomlinson in case you were wondering.

Not a lot of surprises, but interesting nevertheless.

Yet based on Ryan's comments about his third-stringers late in the 9-3 victory over the Panthers, there's plenty of room to make an impression over the final couple weeks.

"Guys, we're dead with this group. We have replacements?" Ryan says into his headset to his defensive assistants in the press box. Ryan's voice gets angrier. "Do we have any replacements? Get me the No. Twos out there! I'm not going to lose this [expletive] game! Give me the [expletive] Twos out there. Finish the [expletive] job!

"We're leaving the Twos out there if we have to. Finish the game. I don't give two [expletive]. Some of those guys can't play dead in a B western."

Washington, for example, went from having an "X" next to his name to receiving a game ball for a jarring hit on punt coverage and strong running.

By Tim Graham
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[h3]'Knocks' reveals Jets' internal depth chart[/h3]
[h3]http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/16956/knocks-reveals-jets-internal-depth-chart[/h3]

Storylines for this week's episode of "Hard Knocks" focused on the New York Jets' fringe players, laying the groundwork for drama on final cutdown day in a couple weekends.

Most revealing from my perspective was the chance to eavesdrop on general manager Mike Tannenbaum and head coach Rex Ryan discussing their roster numbers. On a dry-erase board, Tannenbaum tried to do the math and gave a glimpse of what the 53-man roster will look like, more or less.

Next to the team's official depth chart, Tannenbaum scrawled out the number of players they plan to keep at each position, with the caveat they can adjust for special teams.

Offense (25 players):
  • Three quarterbacks
  • Five running backs
  • Five wide receivers (including Santonio Holmes)
  • Four tight ends
  • Eight offensive linemen
Defense (23 players):
  • Six defensive linemen
  • Four outside linebackers
  • Four inside linebackers
  • Five cornerbacks (I think because I couldn't decipher the abbreviation)
  • Four safeties (I think for the same reason)
Add a kicker, punter and long-snapper, and that's 51 players, leaving two special-teams spots for everybody else to fight over.

The show suggested the bubble players were running back Danny Woodhead, fullback Jason Davis, receivers David Clowney and Larry Taylor, tight end Matthew Mulligan and linebacker Lance Laury.

Injuries, of course, can impact the numbers. The breakdown was done before defensive end Ropati Pitoitua suffered a season-ending torn Achilles tendon in Saturday's preseason game against the Carolina Panthers.

Pitoitua's injury was significant for Rodrique Wright, who had an "X" next to his name on the depth chart, suggesting the Jets planned to cut him.

"Hey, you going to make this [expletive] team?" Ryan says to Wright on the sideline after learning of Pitoitua's injury. "This kid just tore his [expletive] Achilles. Or do I need to pick somebody else up?"

"Hard Knocks" revealed others with an "X" next to his name or a "PS" to indicate practice squad. For effect, "Hard Knocks" slowly panned all the name plates to set up the scene. That helped determine who'd been labeled in the shots that showed Tannenbaum sketching out the roster.

These were the other "X" players still on the roster I could decipher thanks to the high-def on my big-screen plasma: quarterback Kellen Clemens, running back Chauncey Washington, center Robby Felix, guard Marlon Davis and tackles Dan Gay and Michael Turkovich. An "X" also appeared next to a blank spot at fullback, suggesting Jason Davis.

These were the "PS" players: defensive linemen Matthew Kroul, Ty Steinkuhler and Martin Tevaseu and safety Emanuel Cook.

Also notable about the depth chart, rookie Vladimir Ducasse was above Matt Slauson at left guard. Shonn Greene was on top of LaDainian Tomlinson in case you were wondering.

Not a lot of surprises, but interesting nevertheless.

Yet based on Ryan's comments about his third-stringers late in the 9-3 victory over the Panthers, there's plenty of room to make an impression over the final couple weeks.

"Guys, we're dead with this group. We have replacements?" Ryan says into his headset to his defensive assistants in the press box. Ryan's voice gets angrier. "Do we have any replacements? Get me the No. Twos out there! I'm not going to lose this [expletive] game! Give me the [expletive] Twos out there. Finish the [expletive] job!

"We're leaving the Twos out there if we have to. Finish the game. I don't give two [expletive]. Some of those guys can't play dead in a B western."

Washington, for example, went from having an "X" next to his name to receiving a game ball for a jarring hit on punt coverage and strong running.

By Tim Graham
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