**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

Originally Posted by Mez 0ne

Thanks on the vids as always.
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Np my dude!
 
I don't usually check other forums unless something drastic happens. Now is definitely a crazy time haha

great video flatbush. Melo seems like he is in it for the long haul emotionally and mentally. I honestly saw alot of effort from him yesterday. Also was watching his reaction on the bench and he was pumping his fist and into the game. I don't think he will ever be a leader but he needs to try and grow into it. Donnie is a very calming presence

I have lost all faith in Dantoni over the last 3 years and not much will bring me back. That was not a gut reaction. Even minor things irritate me. NBA TV showed in the huddle Doc Rivers getting into his team and accusing them of being soft. while we see dantoni just say "I think we can outrun them. cmon lets go go go". Dantoni doesn't have the balls to call melo or Amare soft.

Billups has been the worst of the three and Dantoni won't say a thing to him.


I think a big thing factor that hasn't been discussed much is that we put a target on our back. Miami ain't the only team that will get everyone's best shot. We will too.

We were not doing anything significant this year, so maybe in the long run the losing will be good Melo gets to experience the crazy media and fans at their worse and can grow as a person
 
I think there's something to be said for letting these guys figure it out on their own for a while. He probably thinks it will help them gain some chemistry.
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

I don't usually check other forums unless something drastic happens. Now is definitely a crazy time haha

great video flatbush. Melo seems like he is in it for the long haul emotionally and mentally. I honestly saw alot of effort from him yesterday. Also was watching his reaction on the bench and he was pumping his fist and into the game. I don't think he will ever be a leader but he needs to try and grow into it. Donnie is a very calming presence

I have lost all faith in Dantoni over the last 3 years and not much will bring me back. That was not a gut reaction. Even minor things irritate me. NBA TV showed in the huddle Doc Rivers getting into his team and accusing them of being soft. while we see dantoni just say "I think we can outrun them. cmon lets go go go". Dantoni doesn't have the balls to call melo or Amare soft.

Billups has been the worst of the three and Dantoni won't say a thing to him.


I think a big thing factor that hasn't been discussed much is that we put a target on our back. Miami ain't the only team that will get everyone's best shot. We will too.

We were not doing anything significant this year, so maybe in the long run the losing will be good Melo gets to experience the crazy media and fans at their worse and can grow as a person
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Dub thanks for the love on the vid and I actually have to agree with all of your points. I think the Knicks fan base shouldn't get too down or raise their expectations too high as this team is  a work in progress.

I also recognize that many of the fanbase wants D'Antoni gone and I too think that he is not that man to take us to the promise land (which is winning a title). We needed a defensive-minded coach here like Thibs in Chicago (who I wanted hired over D'Antoni three years ago).  Melo will be fine and as Dub said this is good for him to learn early how to deal with the fans and the media.  His skin will get thicker....Amar'e is the leader on this team and everyone else will fall in line.

Honestly we are probably stuck with D'Antoni at least for the start of the following season if not that entire season.  I think the Knicks will want to give him at least a year with a full training camp and roster with all of his players and no major changes.  Either way the bottom line is if the Knicks don't get better defensively before or after the 2012 playofs then he will be a goner.  I just wonder if the Knicks fanbased will be that patient.
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My biggest concern currently as a Knicks fan besides this team playing better ball before the playoffs is bringing back Walsh.  That needs to get done like yesterday. SMH at him not being extended yet.
 
Thanks, Flatbush.

We just need time, please dont kill yourselves if we lose tomorrow to Orlando.
 
ahh my post got erased!

But anyhow I think STAT is the vocal leader of the team to say the least. He knows exactly what to say and everyone knows he means business.
Melo isn't really vocal but he can make his point heard on the court.

Billups will be fine and so will the rest of the main anchors.

We have a target on our back but the difference between us and Miami is that we have been hated for years by everyone, the media such as ESPN and TNT etc dont bask in Miami's failure as much as they do the Knicks ... Although the fans may bask more.

All of this is a rough period and as the team goes through the motions, we will too, thats if some of us choose to be here with our squad.
I'm not bailing on this squad.
I didn't with the McDyess, Houston, Marbury, Steve Francis, Travis Knight, Dikiembe Mutombo, Michael Doleac, Mo Taylor, Malik "Bonehead" Rose, Jerome James.... (You get the picture) Eras

This is the time where we stand with our team.... This is what fanhood is about. Most of ya'll have seen worse days with this club.... The light is starting to glimmer @ the end of the tunnel.
 
nah I know we can't take on Dwight. I'll write my will if we lose to the bucks again

I agree about Walsh and I honestly don't think he will be back if Dolan really pushed him into the trade.
 
Originally Posted by throwback1718

ahh my post got erased!

But anyhow I think STAT is the vocal leader of the team to say the least. He knows exactly what to say and everyone knows he means business.
Melo isn't really vocal but he can make his point heard on the court.

Billups will be fine and so will the rest of the main anchors.

We have a target on our back but the difference between us and Miami is that we have been hated for years by everyone, the media such as ESPN and TNT etc dont bask in Miami's failure as much as they do the Knicks ... Although the fans may bask more.

All of this is a rough period and as the team goes through the motions, we will too, thats if some of us choose to be here with our squad.
I'm not bailing on this squad.
I didn't with the McDyess, Houston, Marbury, Steve Francis, Travis Knight, Dikiembe Mutombo, Michael Doleac, Mo Taylor, Malik "Bonehead" Rose, Jerome James.... (You get the picture) Eras

This is the time where we stand with our team.... This is what fanhood is about. Most of ya'll have seen worse days with this club.... The light is starting to glimmer @ the end of the tunnel.
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Well put sir
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yeah I agree with you about the media. They were ready to kill the knicks no matter what. If melo goes to Jersey we are morons for not giving up enough. If he comes here, we overpaid

I just don't appreciate how miami gets a pass when they had an entire training camp and they still started off terrible. To this day they can hardly beat good teams but the entire media preaches that it's a work in progress. It's not a one year commitment. They need time together

with the knicks it was ohhh the miami win was all about the heat giving the game away. And then when the knicks start losing that fat #!+% Wilbon starts talking about it being a failed project after about 12 games

miami- need to time together
knicks- will suck for the next 4 years. This is unfixable
 
Cool...... I just got tickets for tomm's game.

I'll snap some good pics/vids for ya'll.
 
Originally Posted by J Steezzz

Originally Posted by true 3 blue

Thanks, Flatbush.

We just need time, please dont kill yourselves if we lose tomorrow to Orlando.
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Don't give them any ideas
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Word! Knicks fans are on edge right now! Stay away from edges and sharp objects!
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Great post throwback! We have definitely been through and seen worse times with less talent so why not keep the faith!!
 
oh yeah jared jefferies is the second coming of malik rose.

ok thats the last post for the night.
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I think
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

btw as crazy as this thread is I've seen like 6 other forums just to see what it was like and this one is kind of tame

hard to believe I know. real GM is by far the worst
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God, I'm glad I don't peruse anywhere else but NT. I can only imagine the chaos in other places that don't have mods keeping things in order like they do on this site.
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Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Honestlywe are probably stuck with D'Antoni at least for the start of thefollowing season if not that entire season.  I think the Knicks willwant to give him at least a year with a full training camp and rosterwith all of his players and no major changes.  Either way the bottomline is if the Knicks don't get better defensively before or after the2012 playofs then he will be a goner.  I just wonder if the Knicksfanbased will be that patient.
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Mybiggest concern currently as a Knicks fan besides this team playingbetter ball before the playoffs is bringing back Walsh.  That needs toget done like yesterday. SMH at him not being extended yet.
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Agreed. Mike isn't going anywhere for a minute. The important thing is that the players seem to still be playing for him. And that says alot.

Walsh on the other hand... I can definitely see that Indiana scenario unfolding. Walsh, Mully, and LB all in Indy next year. Knick fans would be sick.
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Thanks for the vid btw FF.

Originally Posted by DubA169

And then when the knicks start losing that fat #!+%Wilbon starts talking about it being a failed project after about 12games
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[h3]Sources: Mullin Could Join Walsh With Pacers As GM[/h3]
Mar 22, 2011 1:49 PM EDT

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Donnie Walsh still hasn't had a substantive conversation with James Dolan about his future with the Knicks, according to MSG sources.

A return to the Indiana front office remains a possibility for Walsh, though owner Herb Simon will let Larry Bird make his own decision. Simon still adores Walsh and he would have more autonomy than he currently is given with the Knicks.

If Bird exits the Pacers to setup a Walsh return, several sources believe Chris Mullin would be hired as general manager.

Mullin was Golden State's top decision-maker for several seasons.

Via Adrian Wojnarowski/Yahoo! Sports

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ld_Join_Walsh_With_Pacers_As_GM#ixzz1HOyMhyVR
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Sad there was never any talk of Mully being the GM for the Knicks
 
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Originally Posted by FlatbushFiyah23

Honestlywe are probably stuck with D'Antoni at least for the start of thefollowing season if not that entire season.  I think the Knicks willwant to give him at least a year with a full training camp and rosterwith all of his players and no major changes.  Either way the bottomline is if the Knicks don't get better defensively before or after the2012 playofs then he will be a goner.  I just wonder if the Knicksfanbased will be that patient.
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Mybiggest concern currently as a Knicks fan besides this team playingbetter ball before the playoffs is bringing back Walsh.  That needs toget done like yesterday. SMH at him not being extended yet.
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Agreed. Mike isn't going anywhere for a minute. The important thing is that the players seem to still be playing for him. And that says alot.

Walsh on the other hand... I can definitely see that Indiana scenario unfolding. Walsh, Mully, and LB all in Indy next year. Knick fans would be sick.
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Thanks for the vid btw FF.
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NP Shuges, just glad Team Knicks appreciates the work. 
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But man regarding Walsh if that plays out I will be sick.  The man has done a tremendous job and the ink should have been dried on his extension a long time ago.  Knicks have til April 30th I believe to pick up his option.

BTW did anyone see SAS's recent article on the Knicks and D'Antoni? I thought it was an interesting/good read. If not here it is: (sorry if already posted)


http://sports.espn.go.com...h_stephen&id=6246952

[h2]These Knicks don't have a clue[/h2]

NEW YORK -- Monday night started with the New York Knicks introducing the Boston Celtics to a team we hadn't seen since the days of Pat Riley, Charles Oakley and Anthony Mason.

It continued with blood splattered on the Madison Square Garden floor, punctuated with near fisticuffs from Amare Stoudemire -- and teammates surprisingly eager to come to his aid. But once the final buzzer sounded and it was time to exhale, seconds removed from evident demoralization of a 96-86 defeat, it was clear these latest representatives of Gotham City didn't warrant any comparisons at all.

Just pity!

There are no Oakleys or Masons, just Ronny Turiaf and Jared Jeffries. There isn't a Riley on the bench, just Mike D'Antoni, who appears to detest everything Riley represented when he was with the Knicks -- meaning rigidity and toughness. By now we've also learned, excruciatingly, that there is no defense, very little toughness or offensive efficiency, no team in any sense that really matters. Just a collection of NBA-caliber talent paid to wear blue-and-orange uniforms.

Point guard Chauncey Billups wasn't shy about saying, "We're struggling right now, ain't no doubt about it," and his candor should be appreciated. Considering the misfit squad that keeps diminishing our hopes and expectations for the 2010-11 season with each passing game, it is good that we can't call the players liars as well.

A season is not made in a week or two any more than a stellar game epitomizes greatness. But if what we've witnessed in the past nine days symbolizes anything, it is that the Knicks are falling apart before our very eyes.

They've lost to sub-.500 teams. They've made marginal opposing players look like All-Stars. They've appeared disoriented in running plays, at getting to key spots on the floor and forcing misses, transforming themselves into laughingstocks. Privately, as a result, they have lost faith in one another.

But especially in their coach.

"We panicked," D'Antoni said after the Knicks were outscored 23-4 in the game's final 7:26, with the Celtics holding them to 1-for-11 shooting from the field, including three turnovers in that span. "We didn't play the way we're capable of playing. Obviously, we're getting to the point where we've got to figure something out."

It would really, really behoove D'Antoni to do so. Because things just ain't pretty for him right now.

There's a reason Carmelo Anthony hasn't been interested in speaking to the media lately. Check Grandma's old adage to figure out why: When you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Since you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who'll say something nice about D'Antoni these days, it all makes sense.

"I love Coach," Stoudemire told me recently. "He knows what he's doing. We just need to make adjustments, that's all."

Actually, that's not all.

The Knicks religiously have been in the league's bottom five defensively since D'Antoni arrived in 2008. Recently, Anthony has echoed the need for defensive schemes and principles. And he's not alone, with a bevy of other Knicks feeling that way, creating a divisive atmosphere that's bound to implode.

After their loss to the Celtics, Billups, Stoudemire, Anthony, Jeffries and others were experts in evasive measures. "We sense the momentum -- we're not stupid," one Knick told me. "We can feel the heat coming in [D'Antoni's] direction. We're staying clear of that mess."

Publicly, that is!

Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.

Down the hall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."

Neither is the rest of New York. Not when the Knicks are 7-9 since Anthony arrived, having lost two games to Cleveland and two more to the Indiana Pacers, not to mention Friday's game in Detroit when the Knicks couldn't get any stops in the fourth quarter. And then there was that abysmal first quarter of their very next game in Milwaukee, in which they trailed 32-9 and emerged with another loss.

"Tough moments happen sometimes," said Celtics coach Doc Rivers, who had his share of scary moments on Monday night, watching Ray Allen lie bloodied on the floor in the third quarter after a nasty collision, then later witnessing Kevin Garnett sprawled on the floor after diving for a loose ball. "What folks may not realize is that you stay the course. You do what you do. You don't deviate from what's worked for you in the past."

It depends on the definition of "worked." For Rivers, it translates to championships. For D'Antoni, "contention" would do just fine.

Surrendering 33 points in the fourth quarter on 70 percent shooting and relegating oneself to a No. 7 seed in the Eastern Conference doesn't qualify as contending. Not now. Now with this roster. Not if you're the no-defense-playing Knicks, surrendering six dunks on seven shots in the post during crunch time.

"We just need time together, to practice somewhere other than in the middle of games," Billups deadpanned.

He should have plenty of time come April, from the looks of things.

D'Antoni? Perhaps a little more than that, if things don't change quickly, fast and in a hurry.
 
Privately, the Knicks question whether they should just run up and down the floor jacking up shots. They've wondered somewhat aloud whether the game should be slowed to let Stoudemire and Anthony operate in a more structured offense. Defensively, they're offended by the notion of that word and their team being mentioned in the same breath. They don't like being laughed at. And tension is elevating because of it.
Down thehall, away from players, reporters are whispering about hearing assistant coaches worry that Anthony is going to get them fired. Anthony's mood and demeanor say he wouldn't mind that at all. Nobody's taking Stoudemire's compliments seriously because D'Antoni is connected to that $100 million check he's cashing.

"It's bad over there," one Celtic, who's tight with several of the Knicks, told me after the game. "Right or wrong, they're not feeling [D'Antoni]. They just ain't."


Simmons brought up a good point. We've given up on some good rotation guys, because Pringles has no idea what to do with them: Darko, AR and Brewer. Maybe even T-Mac for vet's min. counts.

It's not us, it's you?

But besides...wasn't SAS the one jumping on those of us who thought we gave up too much in the trade?
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Darko hurts a bit. He could've been a serviceable center for us. Them other dudes it's w/e
 
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