**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

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Originally Posted by DubA169

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

We've been doing that all season though.
then it's the coach
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there has to be a reason this happens constantly with different players right?
Well when none of those players are known for not doing any of things you just mentioned I can't say it's just the coach. The starting lineup has only changed two positions. The bench is more of the same we already had with imo old guys or bums.

It's the same team with less depth. Lets not pretend this team's weaknesses were addressed in that trade.

If we got some height and defensive players and they suddenly started jacking up 3s and playing like they were all 5'4'' then I could blame everything on the coach.
 
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I've been out of town the past few days and I can't believe we lost to the $***$@+ Pacers twice. They're trash and I can't $***$@+ believe we mad Tyler Hansbrough look like an all star. Son is a straight gump. I'm $***$@+ livid, I might take a week or two off cause my health and my furniture is not gonna last much longer
 
Amar'e needs to learn defense. Stance is always closed so anyone with a decent first step blows by him. Also his discipline is awful, bites on the most transparent shot fakes.
 
Originally Posted by gregbutler20

Originally Posted by DubA169

This has NOTHING to do with being Elite.

we are constantly giving people career nights. losing to trash teams. we let them have wide open shot after wide open shot. That's not having size. That's effort and terrible defense.

not defending until the last minutes of a game. So much wrong. Acting like people are mad over losing to dallas and boston or something.

the cavs twice and the pacers twic, giving up 120 points is unacceptable
Couldn't have said it better myself. They let bums get away with murder. No effort........at all.
  
It's not just effort though. IMO a lot of it has to do with team image. We lost our defensive swag that we had in the 90s. These problems we've been having have been festering before all the players we have now and way before D'Antoni. I don't know if you realize this but players look at the Knicks kind of the same way they look at the Heat, especially at MSG. Because of our reputation as a basketball town and MSG's reputation players always get up to play us. And because of the fact that we no longer have an image that even resembles any kind of defensive intensity, players who play against us play with and shoot with way more confidence. I've been noticing this trend for quite some time now. Watch this video from just the other week , start at 15 seconds. Anthony Parker just pulls up like f it, its the Knicks what do I have to lose lol. There is no defensive fear in the hearts of opposing teams. Every opposing player feels like they can hit a big shot on us and it shows. Teams with nothing to lose are our worst enemies because they play with confidence against us.

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Originally Posted by true 3 blue

They deserve all criticism headed their way, from the coach down to the 12th man.
Yep.
Originally Posted by DubA169

This has NOTHING to do with being Elite.

we are constantly giving people career nights. losing to trash teams.we let them have wide open shot after wide open shot. That's not havingsize. That's effort and terrible defense.

not defending until the last minutes of a game. So much wrong. Actinglike people are mad over losing to dallas and boston or something.

the cavs twice and the pacers twic, giving up 120 points is unacceptable
Good post.

Originally Posted by REDd SPYDER

this game shows how badly we need size..
They definitely need size. But as quoted above:
"That's not havingsize. That's effort and terrible defense".

Originally Posted by RavageBX

Takethis season with a grain of salt and hope that the moves we need tomake are made. It's not gonna get any easier. Anyone who thought itwould after the trade is a fool.
See, that would be all well and good if management didn't come and %!%@* slap the fans with a ridiculous ticket hike. Management aka Dolan is the one who is putting the expectations out the stratosphere for this team. You can't say you're gonna charge X amount now b/c "we're gonna make the playoffs" (when you haven't even officially made the playoffs yet) and expect fans to NOT be upset when you lose games like this. Sorry, can't have it both ways.... Telling the diehards to calm down and take it easy when the expectations for this team are higher than that. If LAL fans and Miami fans can go into crisis mode when their teams lose to the Cavs or go into a funk, then Knick fans (with the expectations that Dolan put on the team) definitely have a right to hit the panic button as well.

Originally Posted by sole vintage

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screw this game
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But Shuges the difference is we've sucked for a long fn time fam! Pushing the panic but is kinda silly to me lol. The Lakers have been great and the Heat won a chip in recent memory. They can panic when things go wrong. We need to not panic. Panicking leads to pressure. Pressure leads to bad decisions. We need to focus on continuing to get better, not panic like some fools who for a second thought we were better than we actually are.
 
Fairweather fans. SMH.

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Only sort of kidding. But congrats either way.
 
All-Time record? Y'all better check that College Basketball Post right below. 2,400+ pages and going strong

typical New York arrogance
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Originally Posted by SHUGES


Originally Posted by RavageBX

Takethis season with a grain of salt and hope that the moves we need tomake are made. It's not gonna get any easier. Anyone who thought itwould after the trade is a fool.
See, that would be all well and good if management didn't come and %!%@* slap the fans with a ridiculous ticket hike. Management aka Dolan is the one who is putting the expectations out the stratosphere for this team. You can't say you're gonna charge X amount now b/c "we're gonna make the playoffs" (when you haven't even officially made the playoffs yet) and expect fans to NOT be upset when you lose games like this. Sorry, can't have it both ways.... Telling the diehards to calm down and take it easy when the expectations for this team are higher than that. If LAL fans and Miami fans can go into crisis mode when their teams lose to the Cavs or go into a funk, then Knick fans (with the expectations that Dolan put on the team) definitely have a right to hit the panic button as well.
Have you seen what Dolan wants to do for the MSG renovations? He's a billionaire but he wants the extra money. I don't see how the ticket hikes got anything to do with all this crying about the team. Dolan has to have ridiculous expectations to justify the ticket hikes. Just from an outsiders perspective you have two NBA superstars you'd at least assume that the team will be good and make the playoffs.

Die hard fans that know anything about basketball should know better. Look at this team. I think some of yall bought in to getting Chauncey and Melo too much. We got less depth and never been about defense. We weren't even talking about it this much until after the trade when we all started realizing the playoffs aren't far away. We can't be like LAL or MIA fans(the few that there are). LAL has championships, MIA has one this decade. One of the teams arguably has one of the best players in the league and have less weaknesses than we do.

Lakers losing to the Cavs is not the same as the Knicks losing to them. Can say the same for MIA when you look at the amount of talent they have.
 
Damn you ATG, I've been refreshing this page the past 5 minutes to get that 20,000th post.

Edit: And this is on 1,001. God I hate you
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I would've preferred the 20001th post. I hate having the last post on the page.
 
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