Offical 2009-10 NBA Season Thread

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by UCLAMIKE

Seen how every team plays each other that is a stupid chart

No, you clearly don't understand, it's the strength of schedule so far this season so Orlando has the 4th best record league but they haveone of the weakest records so when they play the next half and they have to play more good teams because every team plays each other there record will evenout.

Cmon guys it is REALLY not that complicated.

The whole point is every team plays each other, Boston has the best record in the east but they played bad teams inthe first half so in the second half when they have to play more good teams there record could possibly be fraudulent. Am I loosing my mind here.

One of us is dumb here and I don't think it's me.

 

[i nasmatic i]

I thought the Nets had a chance at LeBron before the season, but with what they've shown this season? Meh.

Maybe if they luck out and get John Wall, LeBron gets slightly intrigued. I think Amare goes to the Nets though.

 

[uclamike]

Just you putting wayyyyyyy to much thought into stats again which ant nothing new

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Originally Posted by DLo13

This Chad Ford chat right now is hilarious.

He mentions the idea that if Wall goes to NJ that it could have an effect on LeBron and he must have gotten a couple thousand angry comments from Ohio residents because the next couple of questions he posted were basically "OMG! LBJ would never abandon Cleveland for a rookie! FFFFUUUUU!"

Like playing with Mr. 17/4 and Floppy is any better...

I think he stays if they can get a 2nd guy to make Mo the third guy. Seeing as they are near the cap for next year its going to have to beJamison. And I ask. I like Jamison but is he really a guy you want as your number 2 at 34-35? Its almost like I could envision Lebron playing out 2010-2011 ifthey grabbed Jamison


Mike your underrating that chart and Osh is overrating it.

I think that if the Nets can get rid of Harris and get an expiring they would be the best destination for a FA, Assuming they have Wall


Wall, CDR, Bron ( for This post sake) Yi, Lopez. Thats a reasonable amount of talent then you have guys on the bench who can evolve in to roles.

a guy like Lopez as the third option is a contender imo right now

 

[proshares]

Originally Posted by UCLAMIKE

Hating !%$ knick fans the only ones that don't see it

I could see it happen. I just don't want it to happen.

I don't see Amare and Brook working well together.

 

[al3xis]

- 3-37.

- They won't be moving anytime soon.

- Who is their coach going forward?

- Overrated talent. Severely overrated talent.

 

[holdenmichael]

No, you clearly don't understand, it's the strength of schedule so far this season so Orlando has the 4th best record league but they have one of the weakest records so when they play the next half and they have to play more good teams because every team plays each other there record will even out.


It doesn't have to even out because they don't play every team the same amount of times. They're only going to play the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs,Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets, Suns, etc. two times, while playing every team not named Cavs, Celtics, and Hawks four times. As well as Houston has done despiteplaying the most diff

In addition, SOS can't take into account factors like injuries on their own team or the opposition and the amount of back-to-back games. It doesn'teven take into account beating bad teams and losing to good teams. Regardless, if Houston's 5-11 vs the top 4, they're not going anywhere regardless ofhow well they're playing and their SOS.

 

[westcoastsfinest]

new jersey is a dark horse for Lebron no doubt

 

[mjshoefanatic]

No one wants to play in sucka **% NJ.
LAC, MIA or CHI have the best chance of landing the King.

 

[eneyekayee]

You can officially eliminate the Clippers and the Bulls right now. Those scenarios will never happen for various reasons...

CLE
MIA
NY
NJ

Are the ONLY 4 teams with a legitimate chance IMO.

And I usually respect Allen's opinion almost all the time, but I think you're in a bit of denial regarding the Nets franchise/chances at Bron to saythe least...

 

[uclamike]

Lmao@ the clippers getting somebody


And right on que allen bring his hating self in here

 

[airjordan jb23]

I don't see LeBron coming here, honestly.

We are moving soon as a matte rof fact... Most likely to Newark for now. Brooklyn won't be for another couple years.

Everyone hopes we get Wall, that's a given.

If we get him, Im sure it'll help us get some free agent talent. Not LeBron, but still some free agent talent.

We have the youth, the future talent... its moving slow, but we are moving in the right direction.

 

[CP1708]

If Mike didn't say, I was going to

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by mjshoefanatic

No one wants to play in sucka **% NJ.
LAC, MIA or CHI have the best chance of landing the King.

the clips are the last thing on Lebrons list buddy

...wehave a better chance of getting Lebron

 

[gangsta207therevolution]

Chicago doesnt want Lebron

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by holdenmichael

No, you clearly don't understand, it's the strength of schedule so far this season so Orlando has the 4th best record league but they have one of the weakest records so when they play the next half and they have to play more good teams because every team plays each other there record will even out.

It doesn't have to even out because they don't play every team the same amount of times. They're only going to play the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets, Suns, etc. two times, while playing every team not named Cavs, Celtics, and Hawks four times. As well as Houston has done despite playing the most diff

In addition, SOS can't take into account factors like injuries on their own team or the opposition and the amount of back-to-back games. It doesn't even take into account beating bad teams and losing to good teams. Regardless, if Houston's 5-11 vs the top 4, they're not going anywhere regardless of how well they're playing and their SOS.

I'm aware of all of that, but it has some meaning, just because I said everybody jumps down my throat.

It's just SOS, calm down, looking at it like I just made a post in Arabic.

http://insider.espn.go.co...%26page%3dPERDiem-100119

anybody one to post this insider article.

 

[proshares]

[h2]Hollinger's All-Star starters[/h2] [h3]PER Diem: Jan. 18, 2010[/h3]
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By John Hollinger
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Getty ImagesSteve Nash, Kevin Durant and Rajon Rondo should start the All-Star Game, says John Hollinger.

Before I pick my starters for the 2010 All-Star Game, let's start with a plea to the league: Change the ballot.

This has been a common refrain this winter because two undeserving players -- Philadelphia's Allen Iverson and Houston's Tracy McGrady -- are among the leading vote-getters in the fan balloting. Internet voting from the numerous fans in China reportedly is the culprit, as McGrady has said. (Although we in the U.S. have also proven capable of making poor choices when the balloting was strictly domestic.)

But my proposal isn't about voting in China. And even if enacted, my plan might still result in McGrady and Iverson starting.

It would, however, do something about the third player who has no business starting the All-Star Game: Amare Stoudemire. This season, the drafters of the ballot were once again forced to list Tim Duncan as a forward even though there's no sensible reason for placing him there, and unlike past years, it's going to matter. With Yao Ming out of the running because of injury, Stoudemire (creatively listed at center even though he plays power forward) is the vote leader at center in the Western Conference balloting. If Duncan had also been listed as a 5, I suspect he would have won easily.

As a result, Stoudemire is taking one of the 12 coveted spots on the Western roster, and in turn, some deserving player -- Deron Williams, say, or perhaps Carl Landry -- will end up left out of the All-Star Game.

Unlike the problems leading to the inclusion of Iverson and McGrady, this problem is easily fixable. But my proposed change goes much deeper than "list Duncan at center." Right now, the ballot is set up the way teams played in the mid-'60s, with two spots for small players listed as "guards," two for medium-sized "forwards" and one for a behemoth center.

One problem: Few teams have lined up that way in the past 20 years.

Today, most teams play with a point guard, two wings and two bigs. For several clubs, there is virtually no distinction between the shooting guard and the small forward, nor between the power forward and center.

This forces the drafters of the All-Star ballot to make distinctions that aren't relevant in real life -- i.e., whether to list Duncan and Pau Gasol as a forward or a center, or whether to put the likes of McGrady and Vince Carter as a guard or a forward.

The problem may seem small, but it can ruin the event -- as it did last year when the East had lots of "forwards" but no "bigs" and was pounded mercilessly by the West frontcourt.

Things would be a lot easier if we could just list Duncan and Gasol as "bigs" and Kobe and Melo as "wings." As a result, there would be fewer dubious omissions from the ballot (Chris Kaman and Zach Randolph, for instance) because of the artificial constraint on big men.

So, NBA folks, hear me out: Change the ballot so it reflects how the game is played today.

OK, off my soapbox and on to the All-Stars themselves. Based on the constraints of the current ballot (i.e., I had to pick Duncan as a forward), here are the 10 players -- including one write-in who wasn't on the ballot -- whom I think are most deserving of starting in Dallas on Feb. 14.
[h3]EASTERN CONFERENCE[/h3]
The Eastern Conference presents much easier choices than the West, as the starters at each of the five positions were fairly obvious picks.

Rondo​

Point Guard: Rajon Rondo, Boston
The elite defensive point guard in basketball also has been the most productive one in the East. Rondo leads all Eastern point guards in PER at 19.78, and given that the next two East points on the PER list are Gilbert Arenas and Luke Ridnour, I'd say we can call this one an open-and-shut case. Just to cement his spot, Rondo has led the Celtics to the second-best record in the East thus far despite injuries to All-Star forwards Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. Unfortunately, Iverson will usurp this spot in the fan voting.

Wade​

Shooting Guard: Dwyane Wade, Miami
Another no-brainer. Wade may not be playing quite at the MVP-caliber level he was last season, but he's not too far off the pace, either. He's third in the NBA in PER (26.93) and second in estimated wins added -- pretty darned good for a guy who seems to be lacking some explosion compared to last season. As with Rondo, Wade benefits from the lack of competition at his spot: Joe Johnson and Andre Iguodala are the closest competition, and they're only tiny specks in Wade's rearview mirror.

James​

Small Forward: LeBron James, Cleveland
James once again leads the league in PER -- with a mark that nearly doubles that of the next-best Eastern Conference small forwards (Pierce and Indiana's Danny Granger) -- and has the Cavs on top of the East standings.

LeBron has also played in every game for Cleveland this season, averaging 38.6 minutes per contest and leading the league in estimated wins added, with 16.7.

Bosh​

Power Forward: Chris Bosh, Toronto
Bosh can't be accused of lazing into his walk year -- his 26.43 PER ranks fourth in the NBA and is comfortably ahead of all other power forwards. Bosh is setting new career highs in points and rebounds per 40 minutes, shooting percentage and true shooting percentage, while helping the Raps push for a top-five seed in the East. While one would like to see him have more impact on defense, Garnett's injury leaves Bosh a great distance ahead of the field. Alas, it appears Garnett will win the fan voting for this spot.

Howard​

Center: Dwight Howard, Orlando
As with Wade, I don't think Howard has been as good as he was last season. And as is the case with Wade, 90 percent of last season's Howard is still better than 100 percent of any other center this season. While New York's David Lee can nearly match Howard in offensive production, there's no comparison whatsoever on defense, as Howard is the linchpin of one of the league's best defensive teams. And even when he's not getting the rock, Howard never stops rebounding; he is once again leading the league in that category with 13.1 rebounds per game.

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[h3]WESTERN CONFERENCE[/h3]
The West has a preponderance of the league's stars, making the selection of its five best a bit more challenging. The ballot issues in this conference add to the fun, especially at the center spot. You'll see in a moment:

Nash​

Point guard: Steve Nash, Suns
Choosing Nash over Chris Paul must be causing longtime readers to faint from shock. Make no mistake -- Paul is the better player. But he hasn't had a better first half of the season. While CP3 was on the sidelines with an injury for eight games, Nash was leading the Suns to a 14-3 start. And now he has Phoenix in position to grab a top-four seed in the West.

Nash has gained little recognition for his play compared to the lovefest surrounding him a few seasons ago, but this has actually been his best season. His 23.98 PER and 53.9 percent shooting mark are new career highs, and as my colleague Marc Stein points out, he's poised to become the first player ever to set a career high in scoring after age 35. In real life, this spot will go to McGrady, Nash or Paul, with the vote a virtual dead heat heading into the final days.

Bryant​

Shooting guard: Kobe Bryant, Lakers
Bryant has been sabotaging his PER over the past two weeks by playing hurt and firing up bricks. But even so, he narrowly outranks Portland's Brandon Roy in that category (23.47 to 22.61). Even if he didn't, we are inclined to take him anyway based on his defense, his track record and the fact that he's made several game-winning shots this season. Bryant also earns props for engineering a dramatic change in his game to feature his post-up skills -- one that would likely be paying even bigger dividends if his mangled fingers could get the rock into the basket.

Durant​

Small forward: Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City
This is the second-most difficult choice on the ballot, as Durant and Carmelo Anthony have essentially equal résumés. If somebody wanted to pick Carmelo, I don't think I could generate a strong enough case for Durant to change his mind. Of course, the opposite is also true.

Both players are high-volume scorers who constantly get to the line, rebound well for their position, have low assist rates and have substantially improved their once-laughable defense. Anthony leads the league in scoring while Durant is third, with the margin between them (0.9 points per game) close enough that either could end up first at season's end. Durant has shot more efficiently, helped by his 86.9 percent mark from the line, but Anthony has won more.

What it ultimately came down to for me was availability. Durant hasn't missed a game; Anthony has missed five. In a race this close, that matters, and it's why I give Durant the nod. Anthony fans needn't worry, however -- back in the real world, he's going to win the voting by a wide margin.

Duncan​

Power forward: Tim Duncan, San Antonio
Regardless of position, Duncan is a no-brainer as an All-Star starter. He's probably been the MVP of the Western Conference in the first half of the season, keeping the Spurs afloat despite the unexpected struggles of Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson, and ranks second only to King James in PER (27.87). Coming off a season in which it appeared chronic knee problems would diminish his productivity going forward, he's been among the first half's most pleasant surprises.

How good has Duncan been? He leads all Western Conference big men in estimated wins added despite playing only 32 minutes a game and sitting out three games. It's just unfortunate that he's on the ballot at power forward, because we could have used Duncan as the starting center and listed Dirk Nowitzki (who likely will beat out Duncan in the fan voting) as a starter at forward. Instead we have to do this:

Randolph​

Center: Zach Randolph, Memphis
You got a better idea? Look at the ballot. The two best centers in the West (Duncan and Pau Gasol) both appear on the ballot at power forward. Beyond them, we have a series of unappealing candidates. Nene, Andrew Bynum and Kaman all are having nice seasons, but it's questionable whether any has been good enough to claw his way in as the West's 12th man … much less as a starter. The underrated Marc Gasol is a favorite around these parts, but it's tough to nominate him as the West's starter when he's neither the best center in his own family nor the best big man on his own team. Greg Oden might have worked here, but he's out for the season.

The obvious option, then, is to turn the tables on the ballot authors by writing in a power forward at the center spot. This isn't a big stretch considering that (A) a power forward is going to win the voting at the center spot, and (B) Randolph can easily slide over to the 5.

And in terms of merit, this is an obvious choice. Randolph's resurrection has been the key to the Grizzlies' shocking competence this season, with Memphis owning a greater than 50-50 shot at making the playoffs, according to Tuesday morning's Playoff Odds. Randolph's PER (22.32) isn't quite a career high -- he was a beast for a bad Portland team in 2006-07, finishing with a 22.81 PER -- but he's shooting over 50 percent from the floor for the first time since his rookie year and is setting a new career best in rebound rate (18.2).

 

[cicero avenue dopeman]

I got this from Real GM, dont know if posted hear yet so.......

Sacramento rookie Tyreke Evans and his cousin are amongst four named in a wrongful-death civil suit filed in Delaware County,the Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting.
The family of Marcus Reason, who was killed by Jamar Evans, Tyreke's cousin, in November 2007 in a drive-by shooting, isasking for a judgment in excess of $50,000.

In January 2009, Jamar Evans pleaded guilty to third-degree murder and weapons offenses. He was sentenced to nine to 20 years formurder and other weapons charges. He also received eight years of probation.

Jamar Evans was 16 when he pulled a gun and fired from the passenger side of a Ford Expedition driven by Tyreke Evans.

Tyreke Evans drove off immediately after the gunfire. He was not charged in the crime, and police said he cooperated in theirinvestigation.

I didnt know Reke got down like that

 

[iminchucks5]

^ yeah

i bet tyreke knew exactly what he was doing

 

[japanair21]

OKB, so Dallas had the second hardest schedule right?

I thought so, but I knew Houston was first.

EDIT:

Chad
Ford
is
an
IDIOT.

Nash is a stretch to start. So is KD. And no Dirk? Word?

Laughable.

Roy or CP3, Kobe, Melo, Dirk, Amare or Bynum.

 

[airjordan jb23]

I 100% agree with that starting lineup for both sides of the ASG.

 

[uclamike]

reke is lucky he didnt go to jail last year

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23

I 100% agree with that starting lineup for both sides of the ASG.

Are you serious?

Zach Randolph is good and all, and I'd say he deserves a shot at the ASG, but starting center worthy?

 

[i nasmatic i]

Just started collecting clips for some NBA mixes. It's going to be pain to download but hopefully they turn out nice.

 

[eneyekayee]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23

I 100% agree with that starting lineup for both sides of the ASG.

Are you serious?

Zach Randolph is good and all, and I'd say he deserves a shot at the ASG, but starting center worthy?

Andrew Bynum should be starting though right?

#*+$ outtahere with Bynum.

And Amarie is a ({'}) who is a PF...Channing Frye is their C. Just ask CP.

Damn Duncan for wanting to be recognized as a power forward instead of the center that he really is.
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