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*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
Originally Posted by Tony Goalie
*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
Originally Posted by philly5fan
Originally Posted by Tony Goalie
*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
Originally Posted by philly5fan
Originally Posted by Tony Goalie
*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
Originally Posted by philly5fan
Originally Posted by Tony Goalie
*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
Originally Posted by philly5fan
Originally Posted by Tony Goalie
*Retail cost: $1699.99
Ain't nobody buying that.
I refuse to believe that if the Wii prints money AND nintendo produces most of their games/holds the rights to publishing, they won't take a chance to open up the market for more hardcore games.Originally Posted by SuprDuperFly
@ some of these replies.
*Cracks knuckles*
[F.M.Flex] BE CLEAR! [/F.M.Flex]
The breaking news here is that Nintendo is putting screens in their controllers, they will announce more features at E3......that's it. Anyone following the industry has heard about a "Wii HD" since 2009(so that isn't NEWs, don't believe me?
Second, the statement about the average age for gamers. Subtract PC gamers, and children outnumber you 2:1, maybe even 3.Because of how most American children are raised,no customer is more valued, they have no bills, no children of their own (obviously), they don't pay for their own food, they have no responsibility, if not satisfied they will kick/scream/cry until you get them what they want.. Hence Disney's financial success in human history. Nintendo's biggest market is children/families that are raising children.
Now to continue, let us discuss this "significantly more powerful.." quote. There are a number of NT'ers with a console "significantly" more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX 360...... it's called a Personal Computer. The CPU's and GPU's on the market right now run laps around current gen consoles. Humor me and (if you are on a windows operated pc) right click My computer (or Computer for Vista and 7 users) and click properties.
Look towards the bottom and read the portion that says _____ of RAM. Does it say 512 MB of RAM? Maybe 1 GB or more GB of RAM? Congratulations, you are using a computer probably 2-4 times more memory than the coveted Sony Playstation 3; which by the way has only 256 MB. I'm not going to make a long winded specification comparison, but chances are if you purchased a PC in or after 2008 capable of playing PC games, anything the PS3 can do it can do better. (Save for being part of a supercomputer cluster but that's another convo.) So when quotes like the one mentioned above are said,I reserve judgment until I get system specs. Significantly more powerful than PS3 could mean anything from a PC on sale at Best buy this very moment or new technology still under development.
Please rest assured, Nintendo isn't going to sell you anything you cannot get already on the market right now except for standard definition samequels of games you have already purchased. "Standard" pertaining to industry standard ie: High Definition content.
Are you going to reward Nintendo for playing catch-up with the rest of the industry by purchasing a console they should have released in 2006?
NT'er: "Hey Supr"
Me: Oh, why hello there my NT brethren what seems to be troubling you?
NT'er: "What's a "samequel?"
Me: *Chuckle*, A samequel my friend is a term I coined for an advertised "sequel" to any entertainment media with the same features that differs by it's predecessor by a few hairs or details such as an updated visual presentation (graphics in this case) or added/altered plot device, among other things."
Ocarina of Time 3D? Samequel
Mario Kart 9000? Samequel
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, are you willing to pay $400+ for it? You're off your rocker if you think $250 is what it will take to get the new system like the Wii back in 06, the 3ds costs that much right now( a handheld system). All you're going to get at E3 from Nintendo is extra polished screens and clips of your favorite nintendo characters and promises to rock the foundation of gaming. When the games are released it's the same game just a little prettier, the same kind of "pretty" the PS3 or 360 has already been delivering.
Nintendo at this point is the closest videogame company counterpart to the Cash Money recording company. Walk with me now, they both started out really small, (CM selling albums out of their trunk/Ninty selling trading cards).
Today both pay little to the middle-man (CM keeps all of their master and 75% of their royalties,new signees get scraps) (Ninty produces 75% of the games released for their console and serve as their own publisher, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a third party development kit+strict wii ware stipulations)
Lil Wayne and Mario are constantly putting out the same/similar content. (Super Mario remakes and anniversary editions/A millie, 6'7)
Supporting characters get very little solo projects released (Wario/C.Falcon)/(Jae Millz/Tyga).
Baby=Satoru Iwata/Slim=Shigeru Miyamoto, Baby/Iwata stay in the limelight and create nothing worthy of notice. Slim/Miyamoto stay in the shadows and keep the company a well oiled machine.
I could keep going but I want to see some more replies. Nintendo care about hardcore gamers?No, they care about the hundreds of studios that stopped making Wii games and how they can get those same developers to buy a dev kit this time around.
As for Brawl, it is the ONLY reason I bought a Wii, alas the game was a disappointment. I'd rather there be no sequel to Brawl then one that's lackluster But there's a silver lining for all you Melee fans: Project M.
I wont even touch the online multi-player topic with Nintendo, it isn't going to get better than what we have now with other consoles. They should only boast about better, not same or similar, would you celebrate a tie game with a friend of yours in a sport? I didn't think so.
Surprise me Nintendo.Supr out.Spoiler [+]
I refuse to believe that if the Wii prints money AND nintendo produces most of their games/holds the rights to publishing, they won't take a chance to open up the market for more hardcore games.Originally Posted by SuprDuperFly
@ some of these replies.
*Cracks knuckles*
[F.M.Flex] BE CLEAR! [/F.M.Flex]
The breaking news here is that Nintendo is putting screens in their controllers, they will announce more features at E3......that's it. Anyone following the industry has heard about a "Wii HD" since 2009(so that isn't NEWs, don't believe me?
Second, the statement about the average age for gamers. Subtract PC gamers, and children outnumber you 2:1, maybe even 3.Because of how most American children are raised,no customer is more valued, they have no bills, no children of their own (obviously), they don't pay for their own food, they have no responsibility, if not satisfied they will kick/scream/cry until you get them what they want.. Hence Disney's financial success in human history. Nintendo's biggest market is children/families that are raising children.
Now to continue, let us discuss this "significantly more powerful.." quote. There are a number of NT'ers with a console "significantly" more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX 360...... it's called a Personal Computer. The CPU's and GPU's on the market right now run laps around current gen consoles. Humor me and (if you are on a windows operated pc) right click My computer (or Computer for Vista and 7 users) and click properties.
Look towards the bottom and read the portion that says _____ of RAM. Does it say 512 MB of RAM? Maybe 1 GB or more GB of RAM? Congratulations, you are using a computer probably 2-4 times more memory than the coveted Sony Playstation 3; which by the way has only 256 MB. I'm not going to make a long winded specification comparison, but chances are if you purchased a PC in or after 2008 capable of playing PC games, anything the PS3 can do it can do better. (Save for being part of a supercomputer cluster but that's another convo.) So when quotes like the one mentioned above are said,I reserve judgment until I get system specs. Significantly more powerful than PS3 could mean anything from a PC on sale at Best buy this very moment or new technology still under development.
Please rest assured, Nintendo isn't going to sell you anything you cannot get already on the market right now except for standard definition samequels of games you have already purchased. "Standard" pertaining to industry standard ie: High Definition content.
Are you going to reward Nintendo for playing catch-up with the rest of the industry by purchasing a console they should have released in 2006?
NT'er: "Hey Supr"
Me: Oh, why hello there my NT brethren what seems to be troubling you?
NT'er: "What's a "samequel?"
Me: *Chuckle*, A samequel my friend is a term I coined for an advertised "sequel" to any entertainment media with the same features that differs by it's predecessor by a few hairs or details such as an updated visual presentation (graphics in this case) or added/altered plot device, among other things."
Ocarina of Time 3D? Samequel
Mario Kart 9000? Samequel
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, are you willing to pay $400+ for it? You're off your rocker if you think $250 is what it will take to get the new system like the Wii back in 06, the 3ds costs that much right now( a handheld system). All you're going to get at E3 from Nintendo is extra polished screens and clips of your favorite nintendo characters and promises to rock the foundation of gaming. When the games are released it's the same game just a little prettier, the same kind of "pretty" the PS3 or 360 has already been delivering.
Nintendo at this point is the closest videogame company counterpart to the Cash Money recording company. Walk with me now, they both started out really small, (CM selling albums out of their trunk/Ninty selling trading cards).
Today both pay little to the middle-man (CM keeps all of their master and 75% of their royalties,new signees get scraps) (Ninty produces 75% of the games released for their console and serve as their own publisher, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a third party development kit+strict wii ware stipulations)
Lil Wayne and Mario are constantly putting out the same/similar content. (Super Mario remakes and anniversary editions/A millie, 6'7)
Supporting characters get very little solo projects released (Wario/C.Falcon)/(Jae Millz/Tyga).
Baby=Satoru Iwata/Slim=Shigeru Miyamoto, Baby/Iwata stay in the limelight and create nothing worthy of notice. Slim/Miyamoto stay in the shadows and keep the company a well oiled machine.
I could keep going but I want to see some more replies. Nintendo care about hardcore gamers?No, they care about the hundreds of studios that stopped making Wii games and how they can get those same developers to buy a dev kit this time around.
As for Brawl, it is the ONLY reason I bought a Wii, alas the game was a disappointment. I'd rather there be no sequel to Brawl then one that's lackluster But there's a silver lining for all you Melee fans: Project M.
I wont even touch the online multi-player topic with Nintendo, it isn't going to get better than what we have now with other consoles. They should only boast about better, not same or similar, would you celebrate a tie game with a friend of yours in a sport? I didn't think so.
Surprise me Nintendo.Supr out.Spoiler [+]
If they make Galaxy 3 for their next console, and it is the same game with a few new perks, you believe your money is well spent?Originally Posted by balloonoboy
I refuse to believe that if the Wii prints money AND nintendo produces most of their games/holds the rights to publishing, they won't take a chance to open up the market for more hardcore games.
And what's wrong with samequels if they continue to be profitable? Not everyone wants a wholly new experience every time they play a game - familiarity and nostalgia goes a long way. I remember playing Galaxy 2 thinking "wow, Nintendo really outdid themselves this time". I honestly was blown away by just how much more improved it was over the original. We all know Mario is going nowhere. He's the cash cow. If they can keep their loyal fans and also introduce more hardcore games, they'll have the rest of the gaming industry in a vice grip.
That's a big "if" obviously, but if they somehow manage to break out of their niche market and extend into COD/RDR territory, it really wouldn't matter what Sony, Microsoft, and Apple comes up with.
Unfortunately, Nintendo has pigeon-holed themselves into this casual, family gaming company. It's going to be hard to change everyone's view of them.
If they make Galaxy 3 for their next console, and it is the same game with a few new perks, you believe your money is well spent?Originally Posted by balloonoboy
I refuse to believe that if the Wii prints money AND nintendo produces most of their games/holds the rights to publishing, they won't take a chance to open up the market for more hardcore games.
And what's wrong with samequels if they continue to be profitable? Not everyone wants a wholly new experience every time they play a game - familiarity and nostalgia goes a long way. I remember playing Galaxy 2 thinking "wow, Nintendo really outdid themselves this time". I honestly was blown away by just how much more improved it was over the original. We all know Mario is going nowhere. He's the cash cow. If they can keep their loyal fans and also introduce more hardcore games, they'll have the rest of the gaming industry in a vice grip.
That's a big "if" obviously, but if they somehow manage to break out of their niche market and extend into COD/RDR territory, it really wouldn't matter what Sony, Microsoft, and Apple comes up with.
Unfortunately, Nintendo has pigeon-holed themselves into this casual, family gaming company. It's going to be hard to change everyone's view of them.
You are absolutely right. The truth is, eye of the beholder applies to gaming as well. I still think Windwaker is on of the prettiest and fun games to play. It aged so well graphically because it wasn't trying to be current, just it's own title/ presentation.Originally Posted by 214
Just out of curiosity.......
What games do you "real gamers" play anyway?
I always hear people say that "real gamers" don't play the Wii. I usually dont waste my time getting into conversations with these people, but what many of them do not understand is that a "real gamer" appreciates the value and quality of a game regardless of what console it's on. I have all the three home consoles and utilize them for each great game they produce, whether it be Zelda, COD, Metal Gear, Gears of War....etc. I also don't understand when people say that graphics>game play. I have played some nice looking games, but could not stop thinking that I wasted my money on a game that had no effort put into it (other than graphics). I can still plug in my NES, which of course is outdated in graphics, and play for hours.
Just my two cents.....
You are absolutely right. The truth is, eye of the beholder applies to gaming as well. I still think Windwaker is on of the prettiest and fun games to play. It aged so well graphically because it wasn't trying to be current, just it's own title/ presentation.Originally Posted by 214
Just out of curiosity.......
What games do you "real gamers" play anyway?
I always hear people say that "real gamers" don't play the Wii. I usually dont waste my time getting into conversations with these people, but what many of them do not understand is that a "real gamer" appreciates the value and quality of a game regardless of what console it's on. I have all the three home consoles and utilize them for each great game they produce, whether it be Zelda, COD, Metal Gear, Gears of War....etc. I also don't understand when people say that graphics>game play. I have played some nice looking games, but could not stop thinking that I wasted my money on a game that had no effort put into it (other than graphics). I can still plug in my NES, which of course is outdated in graphics, and play for hours.
Just my two cents.....
ninteno mii avyOriginally Posted by SuprDuperFly
*Cracks knuckles*
[F.M.Flex] BE CLEAR! [/F.M.Flex]
The breaking news here is that Nintendo is putting screens in their controllers, they will announce more features at E3......that's it. Anyone following the industry has heard about a "Wii HD" since 2009(so that isn't NEWs, don't believe me?
Second, the statement about the average age for gamers. Subtract PC gamers, and children outnumber you 2:1, maybe even 3.Because of how most American children are raised,no customer is more valued, they have no bills, no children of their own (obviously), they don't pay for their own food, they have no responsibility, if not satisfied they will kick/scream/cry until you get them what they want.. Hence Disney's financial success in human history. Nintendo's biggest market is children/families that are raising children.
Now to continue, let us discuss this "significantly more powerful.." quote. There are a number of NT'ers with a console "significantly" more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX 360...... it's called a Personal Computer. The CPU's and GPU's on the market right now run laps around current gen consoles. Humor me and (if you are on a windows operated pc) right click My computer (or Computer for Vista and 7 users) and click properties.
Look towards the bottom and read the portion that says _____ of RAM. Does it say 512 MB of RAM? Maybe 1 GB or more GB of RAM? Congratulations, you are using a computer probably 2-4 times more memory than the coveted Sony Playstation 3; which by the way has only 256 MB. I'm not going to make a long winded specification comparison, but chances are if you purchased a PC in or after 2008 capable of playing PC games, anything the PS3 can do it can do better. (Save for being part of a supercomputer cluster but that's another convo.) So when quotes like the one mentioned above are said,I reserve judgment until I get system specs. Significantly more powerful than PS3 could mean anything from a PC on sale at Best buy this very moment or new technology still under development.
Please rest assured, Nintendo isn't going to sell you anything you cannot get already on the market right now except for standard definition samequels of games you have already purchased. "Standard" pertaining to industry standard ie: High Definition content.
Are you going to reward Nintendo for playing catch-up with the rest of the industry by purchasing a console they should have released in 2006?
NT'er: "Hey Supr"
Me: Oh, why hello there my NT brethren what seems to be troubling you?
NT'er: "What's a "samequel?"
Me: *Chuckle*, A samequel my friend is a term I coined for an advertised "sequel" to any entertainment media with the same features that differs by it's predecessor by a few hairs or details such as an updated visual presentation (graphics in this case) or added/altered plot device, among other things."
Ocarina of Time 3D? Samequel
Mario Kart 9000? Samequel
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, are you willing to pay $400+ for it? You're off your rocker if you think $250 is what it will take to get the new system like the Wii back in 06, the 3ds costs that much right now( a handheld system). All you're going to get at E3 from Nintendo is extra polished screens and clips of your favorite nintendo characters and promises to rock the foundation of gaming. When the games are released it's the same game just a little prettier, the same kind of "pretty" the PS3 or 360 has already been delivering.
Nintendo at this point is the closest videogame company counterpart to the Cash Money recording company. Walk with me now, they both started out really small, (CM selling albums out of their trunk/Ninty selling trading cards).
Today both pay little to the middle-man (CM keeps all of their master and 75% of their royalties,new signees get scraps) (Ninty produces 75% of the games released for their console and serve as their own publisher, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a third party development kit+strict wii ware stipulations)
Lil Wayne and Mario are constantly putting out the same/similar content. (Super Mario remakes and anniversary editions/A millie, 6'7)
Supporting characters get very little solo projects released (Wario/C.Falcon)/(Jae Millz/Tyga).
Baby=Satoru Iwata/Slim=Shigeru Miyamoto, Baby/Iwata stay in the limelight and create nothing worthy of notice. Slim/Miyamoto stay in the shadows and keep the company a well oiled machine.
I could keep going but I want to see some more replies. Nintendo care about hardcore gamers?No, they care about the hundreds of studios that stopped making Wii games and how they can get those same developers to buy a dev kit this time around.
As for Brawl, it is the ONLY reason I bought a Wii, alas the game was a disappointment. I'd rather there be no sequel to Brawl then one that's lackluster But there's a silver lining for all you Melee fans: Project M.
I wont even touch the online multi-player topic with Nintendo, it isn't going to get better than what we have now with other consoles. They should only boast about better, not same or similar, would you celebrate a tie game with a friend of yours in a sport? I didn't think so.
Surprise me Nintendo.Spoiler [+]
Supr out.
ninteno mii avyOriginally Posted by SuprDuperFly
*Cracks knuckles*
[F.M.Flex] BE CLEAR! [/F.M.Flex]
The breaking news here is that Nintendo is putting screens in their controllers, they will announce more features at E3......that's it. Anyone following the industry has heard about a "Wii HD" since 2009(so that isn't NEWs, don't believe me?
Second, the statement about the average age for gamers. Subtract PC gamers, and children outnumber you 2:1, maybe even 3.Because of how most American children are raised,no customer is more valued, they have no bills, no children of their own (obviously), they don't pay for their own food, they have no responsibility, if not satisfied they will kick/scream/cry until you get them what they want.. Hence Disney's financial success in human history. Nintendo's biggest market is children/families that are raising children.
Now to continue, let us discuss this "significantly more powerful.." quote. There are a number of NT'ers with a console "significantly" more powerful than the PS3 or XBOX 360...... it's called a Personal Computer. The CPU's and GPU's on the market right now run laps around current gen consoles. Humor me and (if you are on a windows operated pc) right click My computer (or Computer for Vista and 7 users) and click properties.
Look towards the bottom and read the portion that says _____ of RAM. Does it say 512 MB of RAM? Maybe 1 GB or more GB of RAM? Congratulations, you are using a computer probably 2-4 times more memory than the coveted Sony Playstation 3; which by the way has only 256 MB. I'm not going to make a long winded specification comparison, but chances are if you purchased a PC in or after 2008 capable of playing PC games, anything the PS3 can do it can do better. (Save for being part of a supercomputer cluster but that's another convo.) So when quotes like the one mentioned above are said,I reserve judgment until I get system specs. Significantly more powerful than PS3 could mean anything from a PC on sale at Best buy this very moment or new technology still under development.
Please rest assured, Nintendo isn't going to sell you anything you cannot get already on the market right now except for standard definition samequels of games you have already purchased. "Standard" pertaining to industry standard ie: High Definition content.
Are you going to reward Nintendo for playing catch-up with the rest of the industry by purchasing a console they should have released in 2006?
NT'er: "Hey Supr"
Me: Oh, why hello there my NT brethren what seems to be troubling you?
NT'er: "What's a "samequel?"
Me: *Chuckle*, A samequel my friend is a term I coined for an advertised "sequel" to any entertainment media with the same features that differs by it's predecessor by a few hairs or details such as an updated visual presentation (graphics in this case) or added/altered plot device, among other things."
Ocarina of Time 3D? Samequel
Mario Kart 9000? Samequel
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, are you willing to pay $400+ for it? You're off your rocker if you think $250 is what it will take to get the new system like the Wii back in 06, the 3ds costs that much right now( a handheld system). All you're going to get at E3 from Nintendo is extra polished screens and clips of your favorite nintendo characters and promises to rock the foundation of gaming. When the games are released it's the same game just a little prettier, the same kind of "pretty" the PS3 or 360 has already been delivering.
Nintendo at this point is the closest videogame company counterpart to the Cash Money recording company. Walk with me now, they both started out really small, (CM selling albums out of their trunk/Ninty selling trading cards).
Today both pay little to the middle-man (CM keeps all of their master and 75% of their royalties,new signees get scraps) (Ninty produces 75% of the games released for their console and serve as their own publisher, you have to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a third party development kit+strict wii ware stipulations)
Lil Wayne and Mario are constantly putting out the same/similar content. (Super Mario remakes and anniversary editions/A millie, 6'7)
Supporting characters get very little solo projects released (Wario/C.Falcon)/(Jae Millz/Tyga).
Baby=Satoru Iwata/Slim=Shigeru Miyamoto, Baby/Iwata stay in the limelight and create nothing worthy of notice. Slim/Miyamoto stay in the shadows and keep the company a well oiled machine.
I could keep going but I want to see some more replies. Nintendo care about hardcore gamers?No, they care about the hundreds of studios that stopped making Wii games and how they can get those same developers to buy a dev kit this time around.
As for Brawl, it is the ONLY reason I bought a Wii, alas the game was a disappointment. I'd rather there be no sequel to Brawl then one that's lackluster But there's a silver lining for all you Melee fans: Project M.
I wont even touch the online multi-player topic with Nintendo, it isn't going to get better than what we have now with other consoles. They should only boast about better, not same or similar, would you celebrate a tie game with a friend of yours in a sport? I didn't think so.
Surprise me Nintendo.Spoiler [+]
Supr out.