NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[solarius49]

PRETTY MUCH NO MORE TRUCKING SMHHHHHHHHH

You do that with your shoulder, not with the top of your head.

Not once has anybody been taught to break tackles while staring at the ground.

stop trolling

 

[651akathepaul]

can't wait to see the enforcing of this rule

Kind of how I feel. The rule itself isn't bad after realizing what it is, but if they enforce it haphazardly and make bogus calls that aren't penalties by defintion of the rule, then it'll be hard to watch.

Fundamentals making a comeback though.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

PRETTY MUCH NO MORE TRUCKING SMHHHHHHHHH

You do that with your shoulder, not with the top of your head.

Not once has anybody been taught to break tackles while staring at the ground.

stop trolling

How can you really get behind your shoulderpads without lowering your head exactly?

And if you do lower and still keep your "eyes up" wouldn't you be risking neck injury if you were to be hit in the face while running with low pad level?

 

[solarius49]

PRETTY MUCH NO MORE TRUCKING SMHHHHHHHHH

You do that with your shoulder, not with the top of your head.


Not once has anybody been taught to break tackles while staring at the ground.


stop trolling

How can you really get behind your shoulderpads without lowering your head exactly?

And if you do lower and still keep your "eyes up" wouldn't you be risking neck injury if you were to be hit in the face while running with low pad level?

no, just the opposite, you risk serious neck injury if you attempt to break tackles while face down. Compacting vertebrae like that is incredibly dangerous. Thats why you have face masks. Facemasks are meant to absorb impact, while the crown part of the helmets are literally the biggest cause of concussions. Once again, contact to the facemask/screw area isn't illegal. Its when you are attempting to break tackles using the top of your head as a battering ram. you can lower your shoulder without doing that, I dont even see how this is a question.

here is a good example of a legal way to lower your pads without incurring a penalty under the new rule.




And the next thing....dont you guys think that maybe some doctors were involved in this? Or do you honestly thing Goodell is just sitting in his office making up rules because he hates seeing broken tackles?

 

[MON5T3R]

no, just the opposite, you risk serious neck injury if you attempt to break tackles while face down. Compacting vertebrae like that is incredibly dangerous. Thats why you have face masks. Facemasks are meant to absorb impact, while the crown part of the helmets are literally the biggest cause of concussions. Once again, contact to the facemask/screw area isn't illegal. Its when you are attempting to break tackles using the top of your head as a battering ram. you can lower your shoulder without doing that, I dont even see how this is a question.

here is a good example of a legal way to lower your pads without incurring a penalty under the new rule.




And the next thing....dont you guys think that maybe some doctors were involved in this? Or do you honestly thing Goodell is just sitting in his office making up rules because he hates seeing broken tackles?

Good to see someone actually knows the rule in here. Its not as bad as people are making it out to be.

 

[dmxfury]

Kind of how I feel. The rule itself isn't bad after realizing what it is, but if they enforce it haphazardly and make bogus calls that aren't penalties by defintion of the rule, then it'll be hard to watch.

Fundamentals making a comeback though.

Exactly, officials already have so many judgement calls on their plate they have been horrible the last few years and over zealous with the whistle (due to pressure from above). This just adds to the workload

Love that Bettis clip from 05, that was during the undefeated run to the championship

 

[maseratimargiel]

^Stating the obvious

but Brady is on his way to goat status...

No other QB can see him.

GOAT.

GOAT.

GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME EVER.

He will be GOAT.

Plenty of players would kill for 3 rings, 2 superbowl mvps, 2 mvps.

Just needs 1 more ring, soldify his case as GOAT. Jerry and Joe, move over. Let thomas thru.

this upcoming season...BB, Brady will get their 4th. Greatest QB-Coach combo ever.

I can see it.

Everyone is riding the seahawks, broncos, 9ers, falcons. The Lombardi will be paraded through boston and foxboro. It's coming back home where it belongs.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

^Stating the obvious

but Brady is on his way to goat status...

No other QB can see him.

GOAT.

GOAT.

GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME EVER.

He will be GOAT.

Plenty of players would kill for 3 rings, 2 superbowl mvps, 2 mvps.

Just needs 1 more ring, soldify his case as GOAT. Jerry and Joe, move over. Let thomas thru.

this upcoming season...BB, Brady will get their 4th. Greatest QB-Coach combo ever.

I can see it.

Everyone is riding the seahawks, broncos, 9ers, falcons. The Lombardi will be paraded through boston and foxboro. It's coming back home where it belongs.

 

[sequan]

 

[Chester McFloppy]

 

[deuce king]

 

[jjs07]

Skins sign EJ Biggers...


yay.

 

[Clyde Frog]

I am all for making football a safer game. You'll never find me asking someone to risk their life on a weekly basis for the sake of my entertainment. If these changes are necessary for football to continue being a game, then so be it. If it changes so much that the game isn't enjoyable to watch anymore, then that is how it was meant to be. Someone's quality of life isn't worth my entertainment every Sunday.

And the Tuck Rule is no more. **** you, ref who actually used it.

Yea but the biggest counter argument to this is that these guys are signing contracts damn well knowing the risks. They take the risk and make millions, I sit at home entertained and don't make squat. I can't me bad at someone not wanting to play anymore but I might get frustrated if the game becomes unwatchable even though these players are willingly taking the risks to make millions. Eventually It will be the equivalent to finding out that the deadliest catch is filmed in front of a green screen

I'm not really sure what this new rule is all about FTR. I'm just talking about the safety of the game in general and where it's currently at along with where its headed. If the game of football should ever come to an end it should be from no one wanting to play anymore cause of the risks involved not some person with power saying its no longer safe enough to continue playing.

 

[gunna get it]

Skins sign EJ Biggers...


yay.

No coach has ever taught a football player to put his eyes to the ground when a blow is about to be delivered.

eyes up, see the target.

thats how you break your neck.

You can definitely lower your shoulder without pointing the crown of your helmet at an opponent

 

[jecca650]

That AP gif looks clean to me.


So under the new rule this would be flagged? Or is it legal??

 

[theenorthstar]

so no more of this?

Clean.
AP uses his shoulders and explodes with it instead of lowering and leading w/ his head.

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

I am all for making football a safer game. You'll never find me asking someone to risk their life on a weekly basis for the sake of my entertainment. If these changes are necessary for football to continue being a game, then so be it. If it changes so much that the game isn't enjoyable to watch anymore, then that is how it was meant to be. Someone's quality of life isn't worth my entertainment every Sunday.

And the Tuck Rule is no more. **** you, ref who actually used it.

Yea but the biggest counter argument to this is that these guys are signing contracts damn well knowing the risks. They take the risk and make millions, I sit at home entertained and don't make squat. I can't me bad at someone not wanting to play anymore but I might get frustrated if the game becomes unwatchable even though these players are willingly taking the risks to make millions. Eventually It will be the equivalent to finding out that the deadliest catch is filmed in front of a green screen

I'm not really sure what this new rule is all about FTR. I'm just talking about the safety of the game in general and where it's currently at along with where its headed. If the game of football should ever come to an end it should be from no one wanting to play anymore cause of the risks involved not some person with power saying its no longer safe enough to continue playing.

I think the former is more likely to occur than the latter.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Lets say these are clean plays like the one above of AP. It's still a rule that will be up to the discretion of the referee. Give how quickly these guys hit each other I can already see living rooms across the country erupting cause of terrible calls even though the play was made within the rule. How many times have we seen text book clean shoulder to chest hits on receivers by safety's get called this year? I know people don't wanna make the games longer than they are but if we're gonna make these rules I'm thinking we should be able to review them as well.

 

[cash money 1999]

that AP hit is clean , also the rule doesnt apply to the box.......regardless runners are gonna get CRUSHED

and this is why i hate the whole "rugby is tougher they dont use helmets"...helmets are essentially battering rams...

unless of course theres rugby players blowing shotgun holes through their chest to preserve his brain for science?

 

[hybridsoldier23]

Thankfully, Frank Gore is a between the tackles guy.

 

[gmsboy1]

Yea but the biggest counter argument to this is that these guys are signing contracts damn well knowing the risks. They take the risk and make millions, I sit at home entertained and don't make squat. I can't me bad at someone not wanting to play anymore but I might get frustrated if the game becomes unwatchable even though these players are willingly taking the risks to make millions. Eventually It will be the equivalent to finding out that the deadliest catch is filmed in front of a green screen laugh.gif

I'm not really sure what this new rule is all about FTR. I'm just talking about the safety of the game in general and where it's currently at along with where its headed. If the game of football should ever come to an end it should be from no one wanting to play anymore cause of the risks involved not some person with power saying its no longer safe enough to continue playing.

There's alot wrong with this. So, nothing should be done to ever minimize the risk because players know the deal and get paid millions (which is stupid to bring up because consumers set the price point)?

What about that tight end from the Bills who got paralyzed making a tackle with his head down? "He got his money, he knew the deal"
What if he'd known about the rule, then he'd have known that leading with the head is an infraction (not that i think he was trying to KO
dude but was just unfamiliar with tackling). Possibly would have tried to tackle different, might still be playing.

 

[Clyde Frog]

^ I'm not saying we should ignore the players safety. I don't have the answers to this F'ed situation. Just simply stating it is a counter argument. It's just something to think about for the future of the sport. Are we going to keep changing the game until its a completely different sport or until it can just simply no longer be played anymore....or just let em play the way it is because they do know the risks and are choosing to play anyway.

Again what do I know. I'm actually one of the people who doesn't hate Goodell or get on his back for every little decision. This is the biggest sport in America and there are serious issues that no one else has ever had to deal with. He's put in a real tough spot and there really aren't any right answers.

 

[checks grossman]

Jay Cutler, Chicago Bears will run read-option in 2013

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...bears-jay-cutler-will-run-read-option-in-2013

Jmarcus Webb is somewhere smiling.

 

[gunna get it]

Andy Reid: Jamaal Charles wasn't used fully the past two years
By Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com
March 20, 2013 3:09 pm ET

Jamaal Charles averages 5.8 yards per carry, best in NFL history. (USATSI)

Andy Reid doesn't think the Chiefs maximized Jamaal Charles' talent the past two years.

He wants the ball in Charles' hands, and not just on running plays or screens. The 26-year-old with the highest yards-per-carry average in NFL history could be splitting out wide and running a variety of routes.

Watching Charles' 2010 game tape, Reid saw Charles used to devastating effect. Charles caught 45 passes for 468 yards and three touchdowns – all career highs – while rushing for 1,467 yards. Kansas City won the AFC West that year.

“Charlie [Weis] kind of moved him around like we did with our guys [in Philadelphia],” Reid said in an interview at the owners' meetings. “I did that just to see how [Charles] handled the quick passing game or the deep passing game from the wide receiver position. He handled it well. So that gives you another dimension that you know is in there that he wasn't utilized. … They just didn't use it in him the last couple years.”

Charles has averaged 5.8 yards per carry over his first five seasons, well above Jim Brown's career record of 5.22.

Reid also plans to line up Dexter McCluster in different spots and exploit his speed.

“He's not the biggest guy in the world, but he's got a heart of a lion,” Reid said of the 5-8, 170-pounder. “He's got that MO, tremendous quickness and can catch. He's pretty good at running the football, so there is a place for him. You line him up everywhere. You can move him around and kind of do some unique things with him.”

After finishing dead last in scoring (13.2 points per game) last season, the Chiefs have the makings of a potent offense. They traded for Alex Smith, re-signed Dwayne Bowe, landed free agents Donnie Avery and Anthony Fasano and franchised left tackle Branden Albert.
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Andy Reid of all people Shady McCoy gotta be Shaking his head

 

[yvespo3]

Cant wait to see the number on Romo's extension