NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[Clyde Frog]

Its funny how people try to **** on Denver's win streak and almost every top team in the AFC has played a weak schedule. The Pats division is garbage, Denvers is garbage and you got 2 terrible teams in the south. The only division that's kinda competitive is the north and woulda been better if the Steelers didn't get killed by injuries.
The only win from a top AFC team that really stands out is the Pats beating the hell outta the Texans.

Don't think anyone's trying to **** on their win streak. It just no longer matters. Packers went 15-0 to begin the year and went one and done. Patriots went 18-0 and failed to win the Superbowl. Both streaks more impressive, both streaks now irrelevant.

 

[DeadsetAce]

Its funny how people try to **** on Denver's win streak and almost every top team in the AFC has played a weak schedule. The Pats division is garbage, Denvers is garbage and you got 2 terrible teams in the south. The only division that's kinda competitive is the north and woulda been better if the Steelers didn't get killed by injuries.



The only win from a top AFC team that really stands out is the Pats beating the hell outta the Texans.

that's why i'm saying the win streak doesn't mean much. i'm not saying the pats are better than the broncos, or whatever. but going into the playoffs, a win streak counts for VERY little. that's all. you want to pick denver to come out of the AFC? have at it. but don't point to the win streak. i think the broncos having homefield is 10x more a reason they're poised for a big run rather than the streak.

 

[gmsboy1]

Its funny how people try to **** on Denver's win streak and almost every top team in the AFC has played a weak schedule. The Pats division is garbage, Denvers is garbage and you got 2 terrible teams in the south. The only division that's kinda competitive is the north and woulda been better if the Steelers didn't get killed by injuries.



The only win from a top AFC team that really stands out is the Pats beating the hell outta the Texans.

that's why i'm saying the win streak doesn't mean much. i'm not saying the pats are better than the broncos, or whatever. but going into the playoffs, a win streak counts for VERY little. that's all. you want to pick denver to come out of the AFC? have at it. but don't point to the win streak. i think the broncos having homefield is 10x more a reason they're poised for a big run rather than the streak.

What about mental toughness? 11 wins in a row has to build up mental toughness, right? and "mental toughness helps a team in the playoffs and further".
Or do you not believe in that?

 

[dmxfury]

You've tried to hook Dead (or anyone) with that every week since that discussion and it hasn't worked yet. Maybe this is the week?

 

[gmsboy1]

You've tried to hook Dead (or anyone) with that every week since that discussion and it hasn't worked yet. Maybe this is the week?

They don't respond. But seriously, in your opinion is that not a contradictory stance? To say x,y,z is good because it builds mental toughness only to later say an 11 game win streak means nothing and they've played no one. Serious, i'm interested in your take, you're decent enough.

 

[DeadsetAce]

ray lewis picking an interesting time to announce his retirement...found it interesting. trying to counter balance the chuck pagano effect? smart man...just better not pull a brett favre

 

[sb]

^Last time I remember the Broncos on a 11 gm winning streak, tell me they not HOT, yeah the patriots won earlier in the season but you can't tell me that wasn't a different bronco squad either.

im a broncos fan i know they are hot. this broncos team is not the same team that played the pats earlier this season. i think at times a bye week can cause more harm than good. hopefully the broncos win it all

. the pats, falcons, and niners are not on 11 game winning streaks though. the bye week can stop the momentum of the falcons and the pats. the niners need this bye to get healthy so they benefit the most. it will be great to see it play out.

 

[sb]

11 whack teams. doesn't mean jack ****, man. it's a new season.
not saying they suck. just that an 11 game win streak doesn't mean anything come january...

an 11 game win streak is an 11 game win streak. it holds some merit even if most of those games came against teams not in playoff contention. i do agree january football is at another level though.

 

[sb]

that's why i'm saying the win streak doesn't mean much. i'm not saying the pats are better than the broncos, or whatever. but going into the playoffs, a win streak counts for VERY little. that's all. you want to pick denver to come out of the AFC? have at it. but don't point to the win streak. i think the broncos having homefield is 10x more a reason they're poised for a big run rather than the streak.

this. january football in cold weather and in thin air. the offense has a huge advantage in wearing out the defense. the defense still has to stop the opposing offense though.

 

[DeadsetAce]

that's why i'm saying the win streak doesn't mean much. i'm not saying the pats are better than the broncos, or whatever. but going into the playoffs, a win streak counts for VERY little. that's all. you want to pick denver to come out of the AFC? have at it. but don't point to the win streak. i think the broncos having homefield is 10x more a reason they're poised for a big run rather than the streak.

this. january football in cold weather and in thin air. the offense has a huge advantage in wearing out the defense. the defense still has to stop the opposing offense though.

most would say the pats pose the biggest threat to denver. if you were to agree...that game being in denver is huge for the broncos. tough for the pats to run that up tempo offense up at that altitude. they may be able to do it for a couple drives...but nothing like what we saw in that game earlier in the season back in foxboro. that's really what did denver in. they got shredded by that up tempo offense. but in denver...we won't be able to do things like that.

 

[dmxfury]

They don't respond. But seriously, in your opinion is that not a contradictory stance? To say x,y,z is good because it builds mental toughness only to later say an 11 game win streak means nothing and they've played no one. Serious, i'm interested in your take, you're decent enough.

I appreciate being decent enough to answer

Seriously though, my take is what it was weeks so. Mental strength, toughness, etc exists in life. Being mentally strong is an asset in life, thus also in sports. However, we have very little way to judge who has it and to what degree. We have little way to figure out what a team goes through and how it will affect them. So I am not going to scoff at the theory and term when used, but I am also not going to put a lot of stock into it until I can look back with 20/20 and then see the results

 

[sb]

most would say the pats pose the biggest threat to denver. if you were to agree...that game being in denver is huge for the broncos. tough for the pats to run that up tempo offense up at that altitude. they may be able to do it for a couple drives...but nothing like what we saw in that game earlier in the season back in foxboro. that's really what did denver in. they got shredded by that up tempo offense. but in denver...we won't be able to do things like that.

i agree.

 

[Peep Game]

ray lewis picking an interesting time to announce his retirement...found it interesting. trying to counter balance the chuck pagano effect? smart man...just better not pull a brett favre

This Perfect timing

 

[gmsboy1]

They don't respond. But seriously, in your opinion is that not a contradictory stance? To say x,y,z is good because it builds mental toughness only to later say an 11 game win streak means nothing and they've played no one. Serious, i'm interested in your take, you're decent enough.

I appreciate being decent enough to answer

Seriously though, my take is what it was weeks so. Mental strength, toughness, etc exists in life. Being mentally strong is an asset in life, thus also in sports. However, we have very little way to judge who has it and to what degree. We have little way to figure out what a team goes through and how it will affect them. So I am not going to scoff at the theory and term when used, but I am also not going to put a lot of stock into it until I can look back with 20/20 and then see the results

I got that from the weeks ago but I was asking in that specific instance. I also get that you're probably not trying to take sides which is cool. But to me it is completely contradictory to say a team shouldn't be scrutinized for playing close games because the experience builds mental toughness and can only help a team and know he's saying "oh this team's win streak means nothing they haven't played anyone". Like, come on.

I have a inkling that he realizes it too which is why he straight up ignored me { ). Anyway it's just such BS to me when i say "well why did that team lose then they say it doesn't guarantee a win only helps. I ask how it helps they say "its intangible can't explain it it just does". You see how that works, you could apply this to anything: praying before a game, having or abstaining from sex before a game, wearing lucky underwear. But then rather than provide anything tangible they just said I was too dumb to get it. That's why I bring it up. still chaps my *** thinking about it.

 

[mmg]

Denver is due to a loss, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are one and done.

i would love to see peyton in the snow, gonna be hilarious


playoffs are a completely different animal, that reg season goes out the window.


Reid is better off going to the chiefs than the cards.

NFC west has a up and coming Rams team, and 2 potential division winners in Seattle and San Fran.


AFC West only has Denver, Raiders are a mess and chargers look like they are about to blow up.

 

[ag 47]

You've tried to hook Dead (or anyone) with that every week since that discussion and it hasn't worked yet. Maybe this is the week?

Right? somebody must've tickled his soul...he just won't let that one go

 

[dmxfury]

In this instance I don't think it is a negative for Denver to be on the roll they are. Again just a variable in the equation but it is a positive one for them

 

[DeadsetAce]

GMS...just let it go, man. i'm sorry for taking that shot at your intelligence. not cool on my part. im sorry it bugs you so much.

as for this whole mental toughness topic, you obviously don't put stock in it, which is cool. i believe it HELPS a team, but certainly does not mean you'll always win (and i'm sorry if that didn't come through in my original post on this). i can point to my pats since i watch them the most. they themselves talk about it all the time. the 49er game is an example. they could have laid down...but they didn't. they kept fighting and came back. i attribute that PARTLY to being mentally tough. you may attribute it to something else...which is fine. i also think that loss helped them realize that they have the ability to come back on anyone if they keep fighting. when the going gets tough, some people quit. others keep fighting. i feel like that applies to sports.

as far as denver's streak...maybe they had a bunch of comeback wins and dogfights. sure that helps. but blowing the doors off some mediocre competition...that's certainly different in my mind.

but whatever...let's leave it at that i guess. we can agree to disagree.

 

[sb]

In this instance I don't think it is a negative for Denver to be on the roll they are. Again just a variable in the equation but it is a positive one for them

my biggest fear, is they dont show up due to the bye. see 2006 playoffs when the steelers came in to denver and steam rolled them on their way to the superbowl

. i know this is a completely different team but that fear is always there.

 

[gmsboy1]

as far as denver's streak...maybe they had a bunch of comeback wins and dogfights. sure that helps. but blowing the doors off some mediocre competition...that's certainly different in my mind.

Well you're not very smart and you like to warp things to suit your argument. Last two weeks The pats blew out the dolphins and struggled against the jags so they can't even be counted on to [blow the doors off of mediocre competition] all the time so what does that mean? Rhetorical, I don't even care for your answer but I will stop bringing it up.

 

[DeadsetAce]

as far as denver's streak...maybe they had a bunch of comeback wins and dogfights. sure that helps. but blowing the doors off some mediocre competition...that's certainly different in my mind.

Well you're not very smart and you like to warp things to suit your argument. Last two weeks The pats blew out the dolphins and struggled against the jags so they can't even be counted on to [blow the doors off of mediocre competition] all the time so what does that mean? Rhetorical, I don't even care for your answer but I will stop bringing it up.

i never once mentioned the pats last two games as having to do with anything...so im not sure what your point is bringing that up. i even said clear as day a few posts earlier that i'm not trying to say NE is better than denver in this whole topic. no where did i say that. but cool...continue trying to misinterpret what i write and take shots at me. you're looking great doing it

the pats struggling against jacksonville (but winning) and then going on and blowing out the dolphins...what does that mean? it means they did what they hey had to do earn a first round bye. that's about it...

 

[gmsboy1]

My point being how hypocritical it is to just dismiss denver's eleven game win streak even though you put stock in mental toughness. You'll say that a loss is a "good" loss (NE vs SF because they fought back) but Den has "bad" wins ("11 games blowing the doors off inferior opponents").

You're not being consistent. Picking and choosing what accrues mental toughness. Which was my point all along. Which is why I brought up the Patriots. If Denver's win streak means nothing, what is the state of the Patriots considering they almost lost to JAX? Less than nothing?

 

[DeadsetAce]

My point being how hypocritical it is to just dismiss denver's eleven game win streak even though you put stock in mental toughness. You'll say that a loss is a "good" loss (NE vs SF because they fought back) but Den has "bad" wins ("11 games blowing the doors off inferior opponents").

You're not being consistent. Picking and choosing what accrues mental toughness. Which was my point all along. Which is why I brought up the Patriots. If Denver's win streak means nothing, what is the state of the Patriots considering they almost lost to JAX? Less than nothing?

it's not being inconsistent, it's called having an opinion on what builds mental toughness. i never said denver has or doesn't have mental toughness. i don't believe that this win streak necessarily has built mental toughness for them because i don't believe they've overcome a lot or any adversity during that streak. maybe they have, and in that case, sure they've built some mental toughness. but i don't believe that's the case. denver fans, feel free to let me know if i'm mistaken. either way, all i said was that picking them to win because they're on an 11 game winning streak against a bunch of lesser teams is not a good reason to pick them. that was the main point. they're a really good team that is playing great football. that is what i get from the streak. does a win streak help them win their next game? no, it doesn't. they'll need to show up and play well.

regarding the pats, i never said the loss to san fran was a good loss. i said we showed mental toughness in that game. no loss is good. but you can certainly take things you did well in a loss and move forward with them.

as for the state of the patriots...i'm not sure what you're really looking for as far as an answer. is denver better positioned than them? absolutely. but as i said before, it's because of homefield advantage. and i would add to that, their defense is much better than NE's defense. offensively, i think both teams are great.

 

[gmsboy1]

I'm really tired of arguing ( especially since you just backtrack and amend stuff) and I said I'd drop it, but you should do your part too. But just to explain myself, this was part of your second and third post on the subject.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

as far as denver's streak...maybe they had a bunch of comeback wins and dogfights. sure that helps. but blowing the doors off some mediocre competition...that's certainly different in my mind.

i never said denver has or doesn't have mental toughness. i don't believe that this win streak necessarily has built mental toughness for them because i don't believe they've overcome a lot or any adversity during that streak. maybe they have, and in that case, sure they've built some mental toughness. but i don't believe that's the case. denver fans, feel free to let me know if i'm mistaken. either way, all i said was that picking them to win because they're on an 11 game winning streak against a bunch of lesser teams is not a good reason to pick them.

Now, clearly you don't understand implication because you like to say well I never said x,y,z. But when you say "Denver's win streak means nothing they were just blowing the doors off of inferior competition" the implication is they haven't been tested enough --> gained no edge--> just as likely to lose next game.

And when you say they didn't show mental toughness in 11 wins but the pats showed it in 1 loss that's not even implication! You were literally saying that in some aspect of the game (important to you and some others) 1 "good" loss > 11 "bad" wins { ).

And just to wrap up you said Denver win streak meant nothing --> they showed no overcoming of adversity--> therefore it is a bad reason to pick them. Well say it came down to Broncos/Pats (which odds are it will), if Denver's 11 game win streak means nothing then the Pats 2 game win streak (nearly losing one) means less. So conversely picking the Pats would be even worse, according to you and you logic.

 

[DeadsetAce]

i don't even know where to begin addressing that mess.

you're really proving my original point of you not be able to read and comprehend properly was dead on.

i said denver's streak means nothing with regard to how they will come out and play on the 12th.

i never said denver didn't SHOW mental toughness during the steak. i said they did not necessarily BUILD any mental toughness from easy wins. i clearly said that. yet you interpreted that (incorrectly) to mean that they denver is not mentally tough. further, i went on to say, IF they had a comeback win or dog fight during that streak, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME. i do not watch denver week in and week out. maybe they did overcome some large deficit or a number of turnovers.

and please tell me where i said the pats two game win streak means anything. i never referenced it once as far as mental toughness or winning playoff games. i never said anything about picking the pats over denver. if i was going to pick that game, i would not pick it based on denver winning 12 in a row and NE winning 3 in a row heading into that game.

why is this so hard for you to understand?