NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[100027]

Hilton played the best of anybod against our secondary this year.

Those little dudes.

 

[Hahahaha]

Not one person hating on Sherman wouldn't take him on their team in a moments notice

Nope I'm good with Lardarius Webb

 

[651akathepaul]

People hatin' Sherm just to hate. The world, sports and football/Super Bowl all need a villain. I have no twitter or facebook so I don't have to deal with the ignorant backlash, but I know it's out there and it's ridiculous. We just gonna forget about Bart Scott being hype after the Jets beat the Patriots a few years ago? He was pretty hype. I remember lulz.

Sherman is that dude. People out there need to get over it.

/rant

 

[mez 0ne]

I agree with a lot of this but still Sherman goes overboard. Football is the ultimate humbling sport. I love his game and I love his attitude at times but if he keeps running his mouth like this eventually somebody will try something dirty just to shut him up. Some times you gotta chill.

Sherman wouldn't be where he is right now if it weren't for the kind of attitude he has.

I'm all for the trash talking, the 49ers/Seahawks game was polarizing because of the hatred there.

 

[dmxfury]

All true, and while I didn't like what he did on the field after with Crabs it wasn't the end of the world and the fact people are still upset over everything blows my mind. Well it actually doesn't because that is what the general public does. Ugh I hate this two week gap

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Sherm just annoys me cause his trash talk comes off as an act.  Hes trying to be that WWE heel type character.  I was 

 when I was watching the post game presser... Dudes a good player but he needs to be himself.

 

[keel252]

What stumps me is how do you guys KNOW that isn't him?

Like, have you met him? Chilled with him? Know him personally ?

To say someone doesn't act a certain way without knowing them personally doesn't make sense.

cosign

i will never understand how cats can act like they know someone they have never met before in their life. crazy.

 

[fraij da 5 11]

What stumps me is how do you guys KNOW that isn't him?

Like, have you met him? Chilled with him? Know him personally ?

To say someone doesn't act a certain way without knowing them personally doesn't make sense.

 Okay, I guess that's fair...

He comes off as fake to me but if I were to assume that the way he acts is really genuinely him, then... He's definitely a d-bag and I definitely still 

 at that post game presser.

 

[651akathepaul]

I think it's because there are people defending him say things like, "he's not like that off the field" and what not. I think it's a quick attempt to deflect the negative attention.

The kind of guy he is, is a passionate one. Sensitive. He's respectful and intelligent, but when he gets amp'ed up, he's emotional. Most people with passion can appear to go overboard. His just carried over to the mic.

 

[Hahahaha]

Jerry Jones saying he's keeping his OC and DC, did anyone else see this?

 

[stillin729]

not sure if this was posted but this is a pretty good article on how Ryan Leaf did everything he could not to be drafted by the Colts; told by Leigh Steinberg (Jerry MaGuire)

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/01/how-ryan-leaf-convinced-the-colts-to-draft-peyton-manning/

Leigh Steinberg was once the most powerful agent in the NFL. He represented the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft eight times — more than any other agent in history. Steinberg’s fame and power as the NFL’s preeminent super agent crumbled in the 2000’s, when he fell into bankruptcy and battled alcoholism.

The inspiration behind Jerry Maguire, Steinberg is now penning a tell-all book about his career representing stars like Troy Aikman, Steve Young, and Bruce Smith, and Ben Roethlisberger. He’s also represented duds, like Ryan Leaf. In his book, The Agent, Steinberg details how Leaf manipulated the Indianapolis Colts into taking Peyton Manning instead of himself with the No. 1 draft pick in the 1998 draft.

As Steinberg notes in the following excerpt from The Agent, courtesy of Thomas Dunne of St. Martin’s Press, it’s a decision the Colts surely don’t regret.

*********

It was not until several months before the draft that I realized Ryan might present challenges I didn’t anticipate. By then, it was too late.

“No way do I want to play in Indianapolis,” he told me, referring to the Colts, who owned the No. 1 pick. Instead, because of the exceptional weather and the more laid-back lifestyle, he preferred the San Diego Chargers, who would go second.

“That’s fine,” I warned him, “but the way to achieve this is not exactly going to help your image. You’ll get a lot of criticism.” Ryan didn’t care about his image, though, only his destination.

Making his wish come true would not be easy. The Colts leaned toward choosing Ryan. Many scouts also saw him as a better prospect than Peyton Manning. Hard to believe now, isn’t it?

I told Ryan it would do no good to approach Colts GM Jim Irsay. Irsay saw the sport the same way he viewed his other passion, rock ’n’ roll. Just as musicians tended to be a bit eccentric, so did football players, and that did not stop him from drafting Jeff George or trading for Eric Dickerson. “Leigh,” he used to say, “it’s about the freaking talent.” If someone is that gifted, in Irsay’s opinion, you simply find a way to deal with his personality.

Instead, the case needed to be made to the Indianapolis coach,

Jim Mora, and it couldn’t come from anything Ryan said. It had to come from what he did, or, rather, did not do.

“If you go to the combine,” I told Ryan, “but fail to show up for a meeting with Mora, that should do it. Jim is a real prideful person who has a tendency to explode. I am not recommending you do this, but if you are desperate to go to San Diego, this is the way.”

Ryan approved, but I first cleared the idea with Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard, lest San Diego also question my client’s reliability. Beathard went along with the ruse. If he’d had a problem, Ryan would’ve shown up for his meeting with Mora. Some purists argue players should not have the right to dictate where they start their pro career, but aren’t college graduates who don’t play football allowed to choose where they want to work and live? The draft was not handed down by Moses as part of the Ten Commandments. The draft, let’s be honest, is a control mechanism designed to prevent college athletes from exercising the same freedoms everyone else takes for granted and to limit their leverage in contract negotiations. It is important to separate the honor of being selected from the concept of not being given the freedom of choice. Just because athletes are well compensated doesn’t change the underlying principle.

Once Ryan was a no-show, Mora, as anticipated, went ballistic. I defended my player, naturally, dismissing the coach’s response as another Mora meltdown. As I’d anticipated, Ryan was criticized, but the plan achieved its purpose. The Colts took Manning. Something tells me the folks in Indianapolis have never regretted that decision.

 

[stillin729]

Jerry Jones saying he's keeping his OC and DC, did anyone else see this?

I mean he really can't fire another DC; he can but it would be dumb to go into a 3rd year with a 3rd DC

 

[fraij da 5 11]

^I heard them talking about that on Mike and Mike... They were gonna have Bill Polian on the show but it was after I got to work so I didn't get to hear what he had to say about it.

Leaf's a ***** for real though.

 

[addict4sneakers]

People hatin' Sherm just to hate. The world, sports and football/Super Bowl all need a villain. I have no twitter or facebook so I don't have to deal with the ignorant backlash, but I know it's out there and it's ridiculous. We just gonna forget about Bart Scott being hype after the Jets beat the Patriots a few years ago? He was pretty hype. I remember lulz.

Sherman is that dude. People out there need to get over it.

/rant

Bart Scott's rant was classic because of the build up in the prior days of critics praising the pats and not the jets. He didn't make it seem like it was the Bart Scott show.

Everyone knows Sherman is great. The 9ers barely threw to him and when they did he made a great play. But to single out one player twice is kind of lame to me, at least the way he did it.

I'm 100% pro trash talk but Sherman's rant was terrible.

Bart Scott flying in >>>>

 

[651akathepaul]

I can believe that Leaf would have preferred San Diego over Indianapolis, but I don't believe is that the Colts initially wanted Leaf.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="keeL252"][quote name="JJ Watt"]What stumps me is how do you guys KNOW that isn't him?

Like, have you met him? Chilled with him? Know him personally ?

To say someone doesn't act a certain way without knowing them personally doesn't make sense.[/quote]cosign

i will never understand how cats can act like they know someone they have never met before in their life. crazy.[/quote] You don't have to chill with a player/celebrity and hang out with them to know a little bit about them.

Say Shane Battier was all of a sudden all tatted up and started wearing massively oversized clothes, doing interviews like "They can't ******* hold me. I get buckets and I get a *******! Good NIGHT!" Someone on NT comes through like "None of that bugs me at all. I just wish he would be himself." You're still going to respond with that "Oh, you don't know him" line?

 

[stillin729]

I can believe that Leaf would have preferred San Diego over Indianapolis, but I don't believe is that the Colts initially wanted Leaf.

I remember reading articles in the USA Today when that draft was going down; it was literally a coin flip on who was gonna go #1.

I remember people knocking Peyton's size and strength compared to Leaf.

It wasn't like Luck/RG3 where you were 99% sure Luck was the pick.

 

[Hahahaha]

The biggest problem with Sherman is he took a big team moment and made it into an individual moment. Since the end of the game, everything on NFL network, ESPN and sports radio has been about Sherman and the Broncos. Not the Seahawks. You know Pete was pissed about this because it should never be about a player, it's a big accolade for that team. Since his interview and up until right now, it's still about him. I haven't heard anything about the Seahawks which is sad. They fought as a team and had a great second half.

I appreciated Bart Scott's moment. His wasn't over the top and wasn't about him.

 

[Hahahaha]

Useless post but it's weird that I've seen the Colin Beats commercial at least 8 times since the game ended and I haven't seen Richie's once.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="JJ Watt"]Valid point but this is the same bravado we've seen from Sherman.

This is the Sherman we know and seen.

He even clashed with Harbaugh at Stanford and made the move to DB. Most players would eat it and shut up.[/quote]Yeah, I actually don't know Sherman like that. I was more just responding to the "You have to chill w/ them to know them" line of reasoning.

As far as my opinion on his antics, hey, man, that's a grown man paying his own bills and hurting no one. I'm good w/ him. only thing that rubs me the wrong way when I see these athlete/celebrity beefs is when they're cussing like a sailor. I cuss like a sailor, but I love watching sports with my son, & I don't use that language around him and don't have those around who do. And national tv is public forum. Well, I haven't seen him cussing, and the most disrespectful thing he's said was calling Crabtree mediocer. Yeah, I'm good with him.

 

[wrightone86]

I think it was a mix of Sherman just being hype from all that had just went down, all the trash talking from the game, and a little bit of that Compton mixed in as well
Yea he said just because you from the hood doesn't mean you have to fight, but I bet he learned plenty slick talking from there, lol

I recently heard about how him and Baldwin and the treatment they got at Stanford with Harbaugh. It is interesting and they are saying it was Harbaugh's way for him to basically cause them to lose their scholarships and be off the team. Saying he switched him from WR to DB, had to work his way up and even lived off campus everything. They even say he black balled them at the draft and the reason he dropped and teams didn't draft him.




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Trending on Twitter and 150k new followers for him since Sunday though

 

[Chester McFloppy]

 

[wrightone86]

Just saw the Sports Science on Sherman :x
I didn't know he was quite that explosive and athletic...

6'3
38" standing still vertical
.11 reaction time
Reached up to 22 mph in the speed test
Has the range to cover 2 "Sherman" tanks
Can cover 7 yards in ~1.3 seconds

I mean I knew he was good, but I guess since he is so tall, it didn't look like he is moving the way he is. Kind of like how some dunks look better when a smaller person does them than someone bigger if that makes sense, haha

Also, you guys laughed at the guy saying he would rock with Ladarius. What if I say I would roll with Revis Island still? Full year off that injury now too

 

[Hahahaha]

I'm taking Revis over Sherman and I'm pretty sure most people are. Revis is the best CB I've seen since Deion. He let his game speak for him, didn't have to act out to get mentioned among the best.

Saying you'll take Webb over Richie is a joke. Webb isn't even top 10 at his position

 

[lyonbc1]

this is amazing

I'm more sad he apologized to be honest, I know deep down Pete Carroll loved that post game

Great article by someone in Sports on Earth also:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66891604/

Wonder how it'd play out if a minority coach behaved like Jim Harbaugh on the sidelines in the nfl...

#THUG we need a hell of a lot more thugs if that's what people wanna call Sherman