NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[651akathepaul]

for the people who don't consider rings to have ANY impact...i don't see how you have montana topping your lists

Peyton will be 1 on my list in a few years. I don't feel comfortable moving him to that spot while he's still playing. Marino and Montana are neck and neck for me.

Shoot, I don't. He's #1 for me. No doubt.

 

[Hahahaha]

Favre was great, people just remember the bad. He was great with the Jets until he got hurt. He should have reached the SB with Minnesota.

Kurt wasn't bad with the Giants but he wasn't taking that team anywhere. People thought Kurt was done until he got those WRs in Arizona

 

[Chester McFloppy]

The NYG years were weird for Kurt, no idea what happened.

Agreed. The whole situation was just odd. Being able to bounce back from that, when everyone thought he was done and over, was awesome to watch.

That playoff run with Fitz... my friggin' goodness... THAT was a thing of beauty. Tore **** up every game.

 

[DeadsetAce]

bobby stays posting those ugly and tough to read stat grids

It's been this way since we moved to Huddler or w/e the **** it is now.

Back on Yuku/EZboard, I could put in on a spreadsheet or something and copy and paste it over smooth as hell. I know you remember that

Now, even if I balance it out in my post preview, it still mucks it up.

yeah the good 'ol days

 

[dland24]

Since everyone is posting theirs, I might as well participate:

1. Joe Montana
2. Peyton Manning
3. Dan Marino
4. Tom Brady
5. Steve Young

Not too different from other people's lists.

 

[proshares]

The NYG years were weird for Kurt, no idea what happened.

It was weird. They scored pretty well but that had a lot to do with Tiki starting off great. It's such an odd ratio Warner had, 2,000+ yards but only 6 TD's. That WR core was atrocious from what I remember though. Amani was at least 30 but they had Shockey who did his damage with Eli.

Kurt just couldn't stay healthy after New York. Once he was healthy, he was as much of a reason for Fitz's/Quan's resurgence as much as they were to him. Hell, he made Breaston a 1,000 yard wide out

That '07 season though :x lost to the Niners twice and barely missed the playoffs.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Its funny.

Ken Whiz lost his last 8 games as a head coach went 4-12 and got fired with horrible quarterbacking. Became the OC of an 9=7 team where the one playoff game that was won was won with the starting quarterback throwing for less than 175 yards.

Jim Caldwell went 2-14 in his last year with horrible quarterbacking got fired. Became the OC of the Ravens and Joe Flacco played better than he has in his career and they won a Super Bowl right after he took over.

In 2013 the Ravens lost Anquan and Pitta, the o-line declined and I'm still trying to figure out what happened to Ray Rice's juice.


Its really interesting to me why the perception of these two guys coaching capabilities is so dramatically different.

Jim Caldwell gets LOLs and memes while Ken Whiz and Mike McCoy were viewed as solid coaching hires.

What makes Jim Caldwell so different from these other two?

 

[Clyde Frog]

Brady could be 4 on my list but he'll never get into my top 3. He's been impressive but I think a lot of that is due to Billy Belichick. I think all of the QBs on my list win more than three rings with BB if you swap them with TB

You could easily argue Bill needs Tom just as much. You can always throw in hypothetical situations saying this player would do this or that in whatever situation. I dont like basing arguments off of that. Its really unfair to everything Brady has accomplished to say its all Bill. Have you seen Bill win any Superbowls with someone else under center? So there's no way to know otherwise. The way I look at it is they need each other and should be appreciated equally as a player and coach. Which isnt uncommon, most times a QB and Coach's success comes from the two working well together.

 

[airblaster503]

This isn't as funny anymore. Apparently, Zimmer wants to bring Linehan in to be the OC. That sucks.

And I guess Minnesota wants to interview Dan Quinn again, but doesn't want to risk losing Zimmer. Just hire the man! Should be official some time today from what's being said. I don't know where these rumors come from though.

The only thing worse than Jim Caldwell is Scott Linehan. Good luck if he goes to Minnesota.

The Detroit Lions are a ******g joke of an organization. I can't believe how you can **** things up so consistently. All we had to do is hire at least a decent head coach and we could possibly have some hope, but we hire this guy. Did anyone in the front office watch the Ravens this year? Flacco(who is trash) throwing 50 + times per game, Rice getting less than 10 touches. Caldwell is ******g clueless :x

 

[do work son]

I think Bobby posts those numbers to look confusing so people just agree with him instead of trying to break it down







Notsrs

 

[651akathepaul]

Caldwell didn't do any magic with Flacco. Wacco was not very good this year at all and quarterbacks don't all of a sudden go from good to great in a 4 or 5 game stretch just because of a coach. He simply got hot last year. It may have coincided with Caldwell coming in, but it could have been more of a relief than anything that Cam was out.

There's also no coincidence that Rivers had his best season in years and Mathews had the best of his career this year and all this despite losing their top two receivers before the season. Whisenhunt missed badly on Kolb, but a la a Belichick from his Cleveland days, it's sometimes that first experience that pushes you to success in your second go around after learning from the mistakes.

 

[Clyde Frog]

I thought they were saying Stafford had some say in who he wanted as a coach? Is any of this coming from him as well?

 

[Hahahaha]

Not to mention all the fumbles, I remember though mid early 2000s the giants line was terrible and Toomer was on his last legs.

Eli did work with Shockey but he's a QB that does well with any TE.

Except Brandon Myers

 

[Chester McFloppy]

You could easily argue Bill needs Tom just as much. You can always throw in hypothetical situations saying this player would do this or that in whatever situation. I dont like basing arguments off of that. Its really unfair to everything Brady has accomplished to say its all Bill. Have you seen Bill win any Superbowls with someone else under center? So there's no way to know otherwise. The way I look at it is they need each other and should be appreciated equally as a player and coach.

That's a fair point. Certain QB/coach combos just tear up the league together. They play off of each others strengths and it's amazing to watch. Even though they've been working with each other for years, the offense has changed and evolved numerous times. From run-oriented, safe, move-the chains... to a record-setting, bomb it to Randy juggernaut...to dual-TEs & ball control... to "OK Tom, do work with these random dudes."

People can say what they want about Bill and Tom being together, but it's not like they're running the same stuff from 2001 out there. 9 AFC Championship games in 11 years shows just how good these dudes are. Adapting, evolving, and continuing to win.

 

[sb]

that love for elway

here is my list:

manning
elway
montana
brady
favre

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Caldwell didn't do any magic with Flacco. Wacco was not very good this year at all and quarterbacks don't all of a sudden go from good to great in a 4 or 5 game stretch just because of a coach. He simply got hot last year. It may have coincided with Caldwell coming in, but it could have been more of a relief than anything that Cam was out.

There's also no coincidence that Rivers had his best season in years and Mathews had the best of his career this year and all this despite losing their top two receivers before the season. Whisenhunt missed badly on Kolb, but a la a Belichick from his Cleveland days, it's sometimes that first experience that pushes you to success in your second go around after learning from the mistakes.

Tom Brady looked like *** for half a season when he lost his top targets.

The Raven's lost Anquan, Pitta and Ray Rice had some of the worst advanced statistics a starting running back had all year,

When Jim Caldwell took over as Peyton Manning's OC his completion percentage went up every year.

Jesus Christ couldn't have made that Raven's offense go.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

This isn't as funny anymore. Apparently, Zimmer wants to bring Linehan in to be the OC. That sucks.

And I guess Minnesota wants to interview Dan Quinn again, but doesn't want to risk losing Zimmer. Just hire the man! Should be official some time today from what's being said. I don't know where these rumors come from though.

The only thing worse than Jim Caldwell is Scott Linehan. Good luck if he goes to Minnesota.

The Detroit Lions are a ******g joke of an organization. I can't believe how you can **** things up so consistently. All we had to do is hire at least a decent head coach and we could possibly have some hope, but we hire this guy. Did anyone in the front office watch the Ravens this year? Flacco(who is trash) throwing 50 + times per game, Rice getting less than 10 touches. Caldwell is ******g clueless :x

Did you watch Ray Rice this year or Bernard Pierce?

I'm not happy with Jim Caldwell as the coach. I actually wanted Zimmer or David Shaw with someone like Norv Turner or ironically enough Jim Caldwell as an OC.

But man you dudes need to invest in NFL Rewind and watch some of these games before you go dropping stuff like "Ray Rice only got the ball 10 times"

 

[651akathepaul]

Then we'll wait and see, I guess. Nothing excites me about Jim Caldwell though.


Maybe he's the perfect fit for an undisciplined Lions team and an inconsistent Stafford, but I doubt he's the guy that can get them to a Super Bowl.

 

[parada45]

I don't like Jim Caldwell for Detroit

I hope Stafford knows what he is doing lulz

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Then we'll wait and see, I guess. Nothing excites me about Jim Caldwell though.


Maybe he's the perfect fit for an undisciplined Lions team and an inconsistent Stafford, but I doubt he's the guy that can get them to a Super Bowl.

Oh I agree I just don't understand why he's viewed as the worst coach ever.

Especially in comparison to other available candidates.

 

[dt43]

As a Ravens fan I'm glad Caldwell is gone, not necessarily because he sucks, but we just need something new offensively.

I think Jim will do well in Detroit with all that offensive talent, but truthfully he is not the most creative playcaller. He did a great job after taking over in 2012, but this season the offense tanked because we had an atrocious o-line and no weapons. I don't put that all on Caldwell

Really hoping we can bring in Chudzinski as a replacement.

 

[tripda6]

 

Then we'll wait and see, I guess. Nothing excites me about Jim Caldwell though.


Maybe he's the perfect fit for an undisciplined Lions team and an inconsistent Stafford, but I doubt he's the guy that can get them to a Super Bowl.

Oh I agree I just don't understand why he's viewed as the worst coach ever.

Especially in comparison to other available candidates.

See: Week 16-Super Bowl, 2009 season...

Plus the clueless "look" he'd have on his face

I dont think he's that bad of a coach. ftr

 

[651akathepaul]

Depends what sort of philosphy or how his words were taken in the interview. The difference between the Lions job and most the others is that the Lions don't need any sort of overhaul. Their team is pretty much set. They just need someone to tighten up the inefficiencies. It's probably why Caldwell was the best choice out of most the other candidates who may want to change certain things, bring in their own guys and so on and so forth. Of what the Lions were looking for, he was the "best" available candidate that fit that type.

I guess.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Keeping it 100 a C+ coach gets the Lions to the playoffs.

I truly think Jim Schwartz was the worst overall coach in the entire NFL.

 

[mastamind033]

I thought they were saying Stafford had some say in who he wanted as a coach? Is any of this coming from him as well?

Nah Stafford had no say, he just met Caldwell for a little bit to talk basic football stuff.