NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[champcruthik]

OROY:
Lacy
Allen
Gio
Bell

DROY:
Alonso
Snacks
Star
Honey Badger

 

[leftcoastin]

McCoy and Whiz

& D'Alessandris

lowkey probably the biggest difference maker for the team this year. imo

 

[dmxfury]

I guess we can't have a discussion about it

No one was in here saying Peyton didn't deserve it, just why you could see someone else winning it, that's all folks.

I think that the point of the comment is we can't see anyone else winning it. Realistically nobody has a chance so why even debate? In fine with the convo but it is all for naught

 

[DeadsetAce]

peyton has to get OPOY too, right?

 

[champcruthik]

peyton has to get OPOY too, right?

Slightly over Shady and JC Superstar.

 

[DeadsetAce]

peyton has to get OPOY too, right?

JC / Shady ?

see, this makes no sense to me. peyton gets MVP because of a historical season where he breaks all these passing records, yet he's not OPOY. it's backwards to me in a way. none of those backs came close to breaking any records. peyton's season was off the charts from an offensive player standpoint. how is he not OPOY as well?

and my point isn't that peyton should only get OPOY and not MVP. but when people's main justification for MVP is a monster statistical year, well then that's your OPOY (or DPOY) award winner. this goes beyond football too. we see it in hockey, where the best defenseman goes to the defenseman with the most points. totally ignores the fact that he can't play defense worth ****. yes i'm talking about you, erik karlsson. i digress, tho

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Agree 100% DSA. Sometimes, tho, I think the AP uses the OPOY award as kind of a 'runner up' award. Seen it a few times where someone wins MVP, but the person second in voting wins OPOY.

Don't agree at all, unless the person in 2nd place also had a record breaking or unbelievable season.

 

[larrydavidmoney]

The NFL MVP discussion is such a tired argument, contrary to the NBA, the award rarely even translates to the result of the Super Bowl, never understood why it is such a hot topic of conversation in a sport that depends on so many others factors.

 

[jayfiend]

So who had the best year as a WR?

 

[sb]

 

Still amazes me that Moss / TO never won a ring.

I wonder if Calvin will ever win one.

and somehow people tried to make a case for CJ (right now) being better than rice

 

[Clyde Frog]

There's a million ways to interpret what valuable means in the MVP. Technically lighting up the stat book and breaking records should get you a OPOY IMO. In football there are so many factors that can help you or hurt you from getting your numbers but you got them. You can also put up big numbers and lose which doenst exactly mean you were successful, which docks you value points. Valuable means how much you mean to a teams success. It sounds so cliche but its the truth that Peyton has everything and Brady has nothing. But Manning really only has one more win? I dont think its a joke that Brady should be considered at all. We've changed the meaning of valuable in sports because we're obsessed with numbers. Everyone was expecting Peyton to do something like this going into the year especially with the addition of Welker. For the Patriots though, it was an oooo boy, this is gonna be a tough year. What does Brady do? First round friggin Bye.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Agree 100% DSA. Sometimes, tho, I think the AP uses the OPOY award as kind of a 'runner up' award. Seen it a few times where someone wins MVP, but the person second in voting wins OPOY.

^

Much like we saw last year.

I thought AD swept the awards last year?

 

[651akathepaul]

^He did with MVP/OPOY, althought comeback player went to Peyton.

They should just get rid of MVP. It always goes to an offensive player and even more probably to a QB. The idea of an MVP leaves room for the MVP to be awarded to someone on defense as well, but that just doesn't happen. OPOY and DPOY and call it good. It's not like anyone of us even really know what a true MVP is defined as. Scrap it.

 

[DeadsetAce]

So who had the best year as a WR?

julian edelman

 

[sb]

Agree 100% DSA. Sometimes, tho, I think the AP uses the OPOY award as kind of a 'runner up' award. Seen it a few times where someone wins MVP, but the person second in voting wins OPOY.

Don't agree at all, unless the person in 2nd place also had a record breaking or unbelievable season.

 

Agree 100% DSA. Sometimes, tho, I think the AP uses the OPOY award as kind of a 'runner up' award. Seen it a few times where someone wins MVP, but the person second in voting wins OPOY.

^

Much like we saw last year.

this and this

So who had the best year as a WR?

josh gordon. dude was just

on a crappy team. followed by thomas, johnson, and green.

 

[stillin729]

I'd give best WR to Josh Gordon too

doing that damage with Campbell/Hoyer/Weinke

 

[Chester McFloppy]

We've changed the meaning of valuable in sports because we're obsessed with numbers.

How else can you do it, though? Using "What If" scenarios? "If so-and-so was here and so-and-so was there" isn't exactly a solid way of handing out an award. You can't measure what makes a person more or less valuable to a team, aside from W/L and stats.

 

[coltfanb]

well robert mathis is pretty much going to be named DPOY with him getting the nod for first team all pro right? who else could win it? robert quinn maybe but mathis led the nfl in sacks... idk imo he is the most difficult pass rusher to defend because he cant beat you anyway...

 

[651akathepaul]

Best year for a WR is Josh Gordon. 30 plays over 20 yards. Thirty! Only 9 TD's, but in fairness this is where a "no talent around him" argument is pertinent in terms of the quarterback situation over their in Cleveland.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

I'd give best WR to Josh Gordon too

doing that damage with Campbell/Hoyer/Weinke

^ This.

 

[coltfanb]

The white wes welker.



Wait wut ?

would that make brian hartline the black wes welker... lol im jk, but hartline does think he is black

 

[dmxfury]

Should just have OMVP and DMVP. The only sport which warrants one for each side of the ball

 

[651akathepaul]

Should just have OMVP and DMVP. Tej only sport which warrants one for each side of the ball

I just don't like the term "most valuable player." What does that mean? Well, you ask 3 guys and they can all tell you something different with how they weigh things to determine their MVP.

OPOY and DPOY kind of defines itself as the standout player in all the NFL on that particular side of the ball. Seems easier to discern in my opinion.

 

[moe200069]

just caught up with the last five pages.

it's undeniable that manning has a better receiving core than TB, but it goes without saying that those guys are only as good as the man getting them the ball. I hate that manning has three possible probowlers at his disposal, but using that against him is just plain silly

and call me a homer but I'd take crabtree, anquan, and VD (+quinton patton) over cobb, jordy and boykin any day. niners wrs don't put up gaudy numbers because Roman plays a run first offense.

it's a toss up for me at rb in the Gore vs lacy conversation. gore is still one of the best running between the tackles but has no breakaway speed..even with a ten yard head start, he'd get snatched by a defensive lineman

 

[Clyde Frog]

We've changed the meaning of valuable in sports because we're obsessed with numbers.

How else can you do it, though? Using "What If" scenarios? "If so-and-so was here and so-and-so was there" isn't exactly a solid way of handing out an award. You can't measure what makes a person more or less valuable to a team, aside from W/L and stats.

That's the problem with the MVP and the word valuable being included. You can't predict that Peyton was so on point this year that he would have done even better than Brady if they switched teams or if Brady would have done even better than Peyton on the Broncos. Like Paul said the award should be scrapped cause the term valuable is dumb. They should look at offense and go position by position pick one person that did the best. Then take the best of each position and say who played their position the best so it's not the QB every year. Do the same for defense. One award for each. We'll call it this guy was the best award. Which in this case Peyton is the clear winner on offense.