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[lamekilla]

And Joaquin Phoenix as Strange...I wouldn't be upset at all.

That Dandruff :x

 

[Sir San Diego]

I think that's rain.

 

[danger style]

Im all for Joaquin as Dr. Strange, he's my current favorite actor

Seems like its one of those "rumors" though, cause I wouldn't think Joaquin would even entertain the thought of doing a big-budget blockbuster

 

[sunshineblotters]

The fight scenes were still awesome though.

They were. If Lex Luthor doesnt say anything about all that destruction in order to spread propaganda about Supes the movie is a failure tho. **** at least address that ****. Avengers fought an entire army with less destruction than that.

Dr. Strange?

http://www.superherohype.com/news/310259-joaquin-phoenix-in-contention-for-doctor-strange-role

I always wished he had a more prominent career. If either Phoenix or Cumberbatch are Strange then I am happy

 

[rfx45]

Avengers had their own army though, they emphasied it by making a perimeter and containing the aliens in an area.

Supes was by himself and fought Kryptonians who were trained in combat and not to mention the World Engine practically destroying the city already and he had to destroy the other one on the other side of the world.

Supes had no one to create a perimeter for him that couldn't be flicked to death by Kryptonians.

Again, it was Supes who were being thrown everywhere. I admit, since I've watche dit os many times already, that there were instances where you could say "Supes could have not done that and save that building" but in the scale of everything and of what already happened, it was kind of moot already and you can just see he just wanted to beat Zod and really didn't know how to outside of killing him. Zod kept saying he wouldn't stop and Supes really had to idea how to stop him, it's not like he had the Phatom Zone to lock him up to or that Super Seran Wrap he used in Superman 2.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It's Superman origins film, he was still learning. It was his first outing as hero and he was getting his butt handed to him. Hell he was't even the Clark Kent that everyone knows/wanted to see until the end of the film. It is a learning experience, it is how he develops his character and how he becomes Superman and it makes sense that dude isn't goody goody right off of the birth canals.

writing a learning experience that where the only ending is superman violently killing the villain in the end is a fail. period.

1. its a misread of the central theme of the character

2. its sets a horrible precedent for future films, (once you establish that killing people is sometimes a necessary action then its always going to be necessary. every story involves a villain who will put the word in peril, from that point on he should kill anyone who he comes up against. he should fly around the world ******* incinerating dictators with his heat vision.

Dude is actually back to being kind of a jerk when the new 52 came out.

your perception of his personality and his willingness to abide by the destruction of an entire citizenry are two different things.

jerky superman is a totally valid interpretation of the character, superman who doesn't give a rats *** about who lives and dies is ridiculous.

Dude is actually back to being kind of a jerk when the new 52 came out.

And no it does not destroy what Supes concepts and ideals. Supes has killed before, so has Batman. Both heroes who do not do the killing thing but they have done it before. The good ol' boy scout is still there. It's good that Supes is actually not perfect off the bat, it's better that way so people could relate with him. He'll be a boy scout eventually but this is his way of learning and getting there.

it does, super man is supposed to be the best in us and he also sees the best in all people, killing zod is a complete perversion.

not being perfect =/= and not caring about humanity are two different things. other than killing mosters, like doomsday or robots like braniac, superman doesn't kill, its rule 1.

Look I am big Superman fanboy and I think everyone here knows that but dude hasn't been that relevant because he is the big blue boy scout, he is actually ridiculed for it. Plenty of people call him boring and just too strong and does nothing wrong and that is why his popularity is a bit skewed. He is the most know hero because he was the first and that's where his popularity comes from but if it's the stories and his personality, plenty finds it bland and uninteresting. Superman is still well known but he has been surpassed in popularity in terms of characterization, Batman, Spidey, IM, etc... all has surpassed Superman.

yeah all star superman wasn't popular at all.

totall cop out. pixar movies seem to sell pretty well without having to level en entire city and murder people.

The Pa Kent and Jor-El relationship was perfectly fine, it was a good balance of one trying to protect his kid from the world while the other is encouraging him to protect the world. Again if you don't like that, that is fine but that isn't too far fetch from the mythos seen in the comics.

an esential part of his character is that if Superman had fallen into the wrong hands, if he handnt been raised by kents in kansas he wouldn't have become a hero. instead

Pa kent taught him nothing in MOS, nothing other than "hide". Hide was basically his entire contribution to his life, be afraid be so scared an so untrustworthy of humannity you are willing to watch me die in a tornado. just "hide" :x


I burst out laguing during that tornado scene. It was laughably incompetent.

 

[rfx45]

Kevin. @KevinInChains
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One of the comic book stores in CT had Joaquin Phoenix stop by. He was looking for Dr. Strange comics.

Tony Nunes @TonytheNunes
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Hey @scottderrickson, Joaquin Phoenix was shopping for some Dr. Strange comics at Sarge's Comics in New London, CT last week. Is he the Dr.?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I'm not going to go on and on.

but essentially, MOS "Superman" doesn't care about humanity,

it's basically an alien invasion story and a ****** one at that.

I was excited to see it, I was excited by the trailer, and I felt like zach snyder and goyer pissed in my face, I'm NOT a stickler for accuracy, I really don't care about that, I thought Watchmen movie also sucked ****,

but

IMO it's about the essence of the character. They have worked for 60 years, they still work now, the arrogance of Goyer and Snyder is pretty infuriating. and other than 300 I have no idea how Zach Snyder keeps falling into these big *** jobs.

If you are going to change things it better be good, MOS changed ****, CORE ESSENTIAL ****, and it also wasn't very good.

 

[rfx45]

it does, super man is supposed to be the best in us and he also sees the best in all people, killing zod is a complete perversion.

not being perfect =/= and not caring about humanity are two different things. other than killing mosters, like doomsday or robots like braniac, superman doesn't kill, its rule 1.

You're not getting that he has to learn it first, it makes sense that dude isn't perfect off the bat. Read his books, dude ha done wrong plenty of times.

your perception of his personality and his willingness to abide by the destruction of an entire citizenry are two different things.

jerky superman is a totally valid interpretation of the character, superman who doesn't give a rats *** about who lives and dies is ridiculous.

He does care and tried to prevent deaths as much as he could, again it was written in a way that he has no choice because Zod wasn't budging. He can't just fly away while Zod continues to kill everyone in the vicinity.

writing a learning experience that where the only ending is superman violently killing the villain in the end is a fail. period.

1. its a misread of the central theme of the character

2. its sets a horrible precedent for future films, (once you establish that killing people is sometimes a necessary action then its always going to be necessary. every story involves a villain who will put the word in peril, from that point on he should kill anyone who he comes up against. he should fly around the world ******* incinerating dictators with his heat vision.

See the replies above.

an esential part of his character is that if Superman had fallen into the wrong hands, if he handnt been raised by kents in kansas he wouldn't have become a hero. instead

Pa kent taught him nothing in MOS, nothing other than "hide". Hide was basically his entire contribution to his life, be afraid be so scared an so untrustworthy of humannity you are willing to watch me die in a tornado. just "hide"

And he did/will not just because of his Pa but al because of Ma Kent. His dad taught him that his powers weren't to be used even to those who bullies him. It's a combination of both his dads teachings. It still makes sense, if it were any other parents that saw their kid bullied, they might have encouraged him to get back at them with his powers. Both his dad taught him to not use his powers for evil, Pa Kent just didn't want his son to be ostracized but he thought him to do good things and that's what shaped him.

 

[rfx45]

but essentially, MOS "Superman" doesn't care about humanity,

You obviously watched a different film. If he didn't care about humanity, he would have let Zod have the codex. He wouldn't have defended and chose humans over Kryptonians. He wouldn't have killed Zod if he didn't care about a family dying. He wouldn't have saved thse guys in the oli rig. He wouldn't have turned himself in. I mean I could go on.

IMO it's about the essence of the character. They have worked for 60 years, they still work now, the arrogance of Goyer and Snyder is pretty infuriating.

You have selective reading problem man. It's not bad that he has to learn these things, he has to experience it and that there are repercussions.

 

[sunshineblotters]

Is 6 people with next to no super powers (besides punching) detaining an alien army any better than Supes fighting the Kryptonians in outer space? In fact it didnt even seem like Supes tried not destroy Metropolis

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You're not getting that he has to learn it first, it makes sense that dude isn't perfect off the bat. Read his books, dude ha done wrong plenty of times.
He does care and tried to prevent deaths as much as he could, again it was written in a way that he has no choice because Zod wasn't budging. He can't just fly away while Zod continues to kill everyone in the vicinity.
See the replies above.
And he did/will not just because of his Pa but al because of Ma Kent. His dad taught him that his powers weren't to be used even to those who bullies him. It's a combination of both his dads teachings. It still makes sense, if it were any other parents that saw their kid bullied, they might have encouraged him to get back at them with his powers. Both his dad taught him to not use his powers for evil, Pa Kent just didn't want his son to be ostracized but he thought him to do good things and that's what shaped him.

he is supposed to learn his values from pa kent. hence why pa kent sucked.

it was written that way, my point is it shouldn't have been, this isn't a simulation it's a movie, they wrote superman into this ridiculous video game scenario. thats on them.

he essential contribution was to be afraid and hide, as evidenced by the fact that he walked the earth for years, hiding with that stupid emo hipster beard.

 

[lamekilla]

Is 6 people with next to no super powers (besides punching) detaining an alien army any better than Supes fighting the Kryptonians in outer space? In fact it didnt even seem like Supes tried not destroy Metropolis

The 6 people >

They're "earths mightiest heroes" they're the best the earth has to offer? Experimented soldier, conceited billionaire, Demi-"god", mad scientist and super spies against forces they can't even understand. Awesome.

 

[rfx45]

Is 6 people with next to no super powers (besides punching) detaining an alien army any better than Supes fighting the Kryptonians in outer space? In fact it didnt even seem like Supes tried not destroy Metropolis

It actually is. I mean those aliens were pretty frail too and BW were owning them. But if you have the numbers and Thor and Hulk easily equal Supes then add Cap and IM who is just OP then yes you have a big advantage over one Superman.

Also, Zod couldn't fly in the beginning of their flight, he couldn't goad him to fighting in space. He was content killing the people in the city. He said it himself the only way o stop him is to kill him or else he will eliminate every human in the world. Zod wasn't chasing Supes as he flies around the world.

 

[jaypesoz]

Did you really look for a dandruff covered pic of Joaquin?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I pretty much agree with Joe Quesadas take on the film

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

“As a comic book fan, I wanted to love that movie so much,” he said. “I wanted to love it so much, and I didn’t love it so much. Again, there are little things here and there that you could pick at and things like that, but I just think at the end of the day, Zod was the hero of the movie to me.”

“He wanted to save his race, and Superman didn’t let him,” Quesada continued. “Zod, in this particular incarnation, struck me as not necessarily an evil man, but a man of … he had a particular … he had his orders, he had a mission. He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot … again, correct me if I’m wrong … but he didn’t say, ‘I want to rebuild Krypton,’ and then come back and destroy this little planet. ‘All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I’m blowing everything to bits here is because you’ve got what I want, and you’re not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I’ll leave.’”
.

 

[rfx45]

You're not getting that he has to learn it first, it makes sense that dude isn't perfect off the bat. Read his books, dude ha done wrong plenty of times.
He does care and tried to prevent deaths as much as he could, again it was written in a way that he has no choice because Zod wasn't budging. He can't just fly away while Zod continues to kill everyone in the vicinity.
See the replies above.
And he did/will not just because of his Pa but al because of Ma Kent. His dad taught him that his powers weren't to be used even to those who bullies him. It's a combination of both his dads teachings. It still makes sense, if it were any other parents that saw their kid bullied, they might have encouraged him to get back at them with his powers. Both his dad taught him to not use his powers for evil, Pa Kent just didn't want his son to be ostracized but he thought him to do good things and that's what shaped him.

he is supposed to learn his values from pa kent. hence why pa kent sucked.

it was written that way, my point is it shouldn't have been, this isn't a simulation it's a movie, they wrote superman into this ridiculous video game scenario. thats on them.

he essential contribution was to be afraid and hide, as evidenced by the fact that he walked the earth for years, hiding with that stupid emo hipster beard.

He did learn his values but he didn't learn all of them from Pa Kent. Plus how is he going to learn to fight an alien invasion from Pa Kent?


Again, it's a journey and you do not get why it makes sense. He still learned from his Pa outside of just hiding, again stop with the selective reading syndrome. I'm getting tired of typing the same thing over and over with you just ignoring it.

 

[sunshineblotters]

I see what you are getting at RFX. I still feel it couldve been done differently. If they address it in the next movie then its cool. If they act like it is no big deal then they should be smacked upside the head. BLASTER's comments on that alone would be hilarious.

It doesnt matter that he couldnt fly at first. He could still survive outer space. Supes couldve lifted him there. Yes I understand it would've been a struggle

The 6 people >

They're "earths mightiest heroes" they're the best the earth has to offer? Experimented soldier, conceited billionaire, Demi-"god", mad scientist and super spies against forces they can't even understand. Awesome.

Yah and they punched 600 alien soldiers to death? Come on. If it wasnt for the weak *** plot point where shutting off the tessaract magically killed all the aliens they would've been ******. Sending the few kryptonians to outer space would have been just as believable.

 

[rfx45]

I pretty much agree with Joe Quesadas take on the film

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

“As a comic book fan, I wanted to love that movie so much,” he said. “I wanted to love it so much, and I didn’t love it so much. Again, there are little things here and there that you could pick at and things like that, but I just think at the end of the day, Zod was the hero of the movie to me.”

“He wanted to save his race, and Superman didn’t let him,” Quesada continued. “Zod, in this particular incarnation, struck me as not necessarily an evil man, but a man of … he had a particular … he had his orders, he had a mission. He was a zealot of sorts, but he was a zealot … again, correct me if I’m wrong … but he didn’t say, ‘I want to rebuild Krypton,’ and then come back and destroy this little planet. ‘All I want is to rebuild this planet. And the only reason I’m blowing everything to bits here is because you’ve got what I want, and you’re not giving it to me. So please, give me my people, and I’ll leave.’”
.

I've read this it is stupid.

Dude wanted to kill all humans on Earth and replace them with Kryptonians. Zod didn't propose to get the codex and go to another planet and create their new world there. I've seen the film maybe 50 times to know this much.

Zod revealed his plans to Supes when he was in the ship, he asked him to join him. Zod did not care for any other race but his own and he has a machine to do just that and intended to use it.

Again, he showed all this to Supes.

 

[rfx45]

I see what you are getting at RFX. I still feel it couldve been done differently. If they address it in the next movie then its cool. If they act like it is no big deal then they should be smacked upside the head

It doesnt matter that he couldnt fly at first. He could still survive outer space. Supes couldve lifted him there. Yes I understand it would've been a struggle

You got to keep in mind that Supes could barely touch the kryptonians, look at his battle with Faora he was being handled and could barely land a punch there. Zod and his army are warriors that had the skills for hand to hand combat, Supes only relied on a super punch. And once that misses he is kind of screwed. Grabbing Zod and throwing him to space would be difficult I'd imagine, it'll be like trying to flip/takedown an MMA fighter when your knowledge of fighting is based off Bruce Lee films.

 

[kal-el-8]

Dr. Strange will be GREAT, if Joaquin Phoenix takes the job.

 

[sunshineblotters]

I dont claim to be a fighter. This is movie fighting I'm talking about Cap vs Batroc fighting

You got to keep in mind that Supes could barely touch the kryptonians, look at his battle with Faora he was being handled and could barely land a punch there. Zod and his army are warriors that had the skills for hand to hand combat, Supes only relied on a super punch.

That is because Supes trained his entire life to learn to handle his powers. Zod takes off his mask for 6 seconds and somehow he is more of an expert than Supes. Triple black belts in Karate don't learn Krav Maga overnight.

But if you factor that in then you got a point I didnt think about.

EDIT: If you ignore that plot point*

 

[rfx45]

Again like Zod said, he was bred to be a warrior, to adapt and survive/ He even made fun of Supes being trained by a farmer.

I am not saying he becamse an expert in hand to hand combat after absorbing the yellow sun on Earth, he already knows it.

Zod is a general so he has had hand ot hand combat training in Krypton where he has no super powers. He had to rely on that before, Supes never had to.


Not saying Zod is an expert in his powers and was better equipped to use it than Supes but he did adapt to Earths conditions quick and became as strong as Supes. And his training to focus and hone his skills helped a lot.


So in the end it became a hand2hand combat expert + super strength versus super strength.



Not sure what plot point has to be ignored there but it is definitely easier to say to lure Zod to an empty field than actually accomplishing it in the film when dude is determined to just kill all humans in sight unless Supes steps in there on the spot. I mean I'd understand if he was dominating them throughout the film and he could just keep punching him Zod til he is off the city but Zod was fighting back and at some point, winning.

 

[CP1708]

I still don't understand people questioning all the damage that was caused by the fighting in the movie. They are super powered beings who are fighting like dbz characters. Of course they're going to wreck a whole bunch of stuff.

superman isn't a DBZ character, if you like MOS, fine but it has nothing to do with superman, they are simply inventing a new character and using the intellectual property of superman to insure profit.

Man of steel is NOT superman.


they got basically nothing right.

the pa kent relationship was ridiculous, his death was absurd, the ridiculous fight scene, the tone, everything got wrong.

Bull ******* ****.

 

[sunshineblotters]

Even for someone who is better equipped you don't think that learning curve was way too fast? I'm not an expert on military Kryptonians so feel free to enlighten me. It just seemed fast to me. It's like the tesseract plotline. I can see why it had to happen with the direction they went with in the film.

Man of steel is NOT superman.

You are correct

Spoiler

It's much, much better